MAJOR UPDATE!!! The number of ACTUAL PEOPLE vs SURROGATES in Laramie County

[FourScore]

I AM PUTTING THIS UPDATE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE!!

DU'er passiveporcupine has alerted me to a news report with very different numbers from those flying around twitter. Since this is from an accredited news agency, I am going to assume these numbers are correct. I am deeply sorry if I misrepresented the totals yesterday. Twitter was quite active with the numbers I originally posted, and I did not see anywhere these numbers. I do think they are more accurate, however. Please accept my most sincere apology.

CHEYENNE – Of Laramie County’s 51 delegates up for grabs during Saturday’s Democratic caucus, 26 went to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and 25 went to Sen. Bernie Sanders.

More Sanders supporters than Clinton hopefuls cast ballots at the caucus event, held in Central High’s gymnasium. But Clinton came up on enough surrogate, or absentee, ballots to give her a slight edge over the Vermont senator.

In total, just over 800 Laramie County voters showed up to make their presidential preference known, and 621 people turned in surrogate ballots.

Of those in-person voters, 329 sided with Clinton and 474 were for Sanders.

Of the more than 600 surrogate ballots received, 402 went in favor of Clinton and a mere 215 went to Sanders.

Clinton received 731 of those 1,430 total votes while Sanders took 689 – a 42-vote difference.
http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/new-clinton-supporters-slightly-outnumber-sanders-camp-at-laramie-county/article_97ebaff2-fe9e-11e5-a8e8-73e7ed6c9c66.html

ORIGINAL POST:

@WilburnZac MSNBC said Laramie co had little over 800 show up. Bern got 689. Hill 111.Then 625 surrogates votes for hill came in.She won by 47

Very suspicious. The neighboring county of Albany went to Berni 669-191. Laramie is the most populated county.

Another post on twitter states:

Phoenix Dragon ‏@1PhoenixDragon 35m"There is a provision for surrogate voting. But surrogate means there has to be a person acting as surrogate." #Wyoming #WY #Wyo #WYCaucus

The question is, can one person carrying in a box of surrogate votes be the surrogate for all 625 of them?

ON EDIT: Now trending on twitter that there must be a person for each surrogate ballot. Not sure if it is true. Predicting this will be challenged.

UPDATE: It's being reported that people are starting to challenge the surrogates. Must have 1 person per surrogate.

[revbones]

1. Another day, another set of laws broken by Hillary & Co...

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[athena]

14. Yeah, allowing the disabled, the elderly, and the poor to vote is breaking the law.

Let's have caucuses everywhere, and not allow surrogates anywhere! Tough luck if you're elderly or disabled, or if you have to take care of a dependent, or if you have children or work three jobs. As long as Bernie wins, anything goes.

[revbones]

18. One guy as the surrogate for 600+

Yeah, that's "allowing the disabled, the elderly, and the poor to vote"

[athena]

21. Why don't you go talk to him.

It's kind of obnoxious to accuse someone of fraud without evidence.

[revbones]

22. It's kind of obnoxious to not look at that situation with some skepticism... nt

[athena]

39. Who needs evidence, eh?

Who needs the courts? Who needs journalists? Who needs investigations? Who needs evidence?

If someone is voting for Hillary, they must be committing fraud. In fact, let's just declare Bernie the candidate now and be done with it. After all, it's obnoxious to not look at all Hillary voters with some skepticism!

[Eko]

65. You are confusing

skepticism with confirmation bias.

[KPN]

87. Lol!!

Almost spit my teeth out on that one! My, you are naive.

[HooptieWagon]

28. I wonder how many surrogate ballots for Sanders the guy discarded.

I'm not believing the bs for an instant...looks like more party machine shenanigans as before.

[winter is coming]

41. I'm thinking about the Arizona woman who tried to leave the building with

an unsealed envelope full of ballots so she could fetch some cupcakes from her car. (As hot as it is in Arizona, even this early in the year, why in God's name would you leave cupcakes in a car?)

[SaschaHM]

74. Surrogate ballots are mailed in to the state party

They're not going to send 600 staffers over to a caucus location. It is more than likely 1 person per caucus location to represent the surrogates.

[JimDandy]

92. I believe that one person per Precinct, not Caucus location, is the requirement,

to be a surrogate, but I'm sure the WY Dem Party will produce the rules soon, so we all can know for sure.

The idea behind surrogacy is that the surrogate knows the people in her/his precinct who voted by a surrogate ballot and can verify or vouch that they can not make it to the caucus because they in fact do have the condition (sick, disabled, working etc) they signed as having.

[SaschaHM]

93. I think it's pretty much the same....

There was only one caucus location in each precinct. I remember reading that somewhere on here, but then again the notion that absentee voters have to send in someone in their place is also floating around on here so it could be wrong.

[JimDandy]

96. That would be amazing if the WY Dem Party was able to have a caucus location in each precinct.

They must be doing well financially. We had 29 precincts in my caucus location in WA State and I had to drive six miles to get to it. And I live in an urban area!

[SaschaHM]

99. From the website....

it seems like they had 1 location for each county instead of multiple precincts per county.

[JimDandy]

100. Ok, so sounds like mine: multiple precincts meeting at one caucus venue

In that case, I'd expect that there must be at least one person in each precinct, called a surrogate, who would vouch for and carry the vote for multiple people in her/his precinct who used a surrogate ballot to participate, in place of their body.

[CorporatistNation]

120. The POIONT Is... Some Klown For Hillary Gets A Few Hundred Surrogate Forms And Goes Around...

"COLLECTING" surrogate votes for Hillary as if he/she was collecting petition card signatures. That is called BALLOT STUFFING!

Wait and see what the rules are. If its one surrogate per disabled unable to attend and participate caucus goer then we got some votes to be tossed here. AT THIS POINT, NOTHING COMING FROM THE HILLARY SIDE SURPRISES ME!

[JimDandy]

121. GOTV is not a dastardly thing. Really.

I canvassed for Bernie and I and every canvasser I know carried a stack of Surrogate Ballot forms with us to each door, so that any sick/disabled supporter of his could have the chance to vote for him. Please don't confuse such a necessary and democratic act with the criminal act of ballot stuffing.

The Clinton campaign culled through the voter database for my state and used their funds to mail blank surrogate ballots to lots of elderly voters. I imagine they did that too in WY, a vast expanse of a state that is way more sparsely populated than WA. There ended up being about 30,000 surrogate ballots received here in WA State from supporters of both candidates (I don't know the breakdown by candidate). There were only a handful of surrogate ballots in each of the precincts in my caucus venue, but nothing like 600 at one venue like in WY. That those ballots were the bulk of Clinton's votes in that one county seems highly unusual. Whether they entered the process under prescribed rules needs to be determined

Rules do need to be folowed by everyone so that the process and results are fair. I'm sure Bernie's campaign is looking into this. If rules were broken, they'll get to the bottom of it.

[SusanCalvin]

134. Thank you.

I do believe you saved me the time of reading anything else about this issue until it is settled. Thank you for such a reasonable post.

[CorporatistNation]

105. YEAH... JUST FINDING NAMES AND ONE GUY TOTES IN THE BOX! CORRUPT AS ALL HELL FOR CERTAIN!

ENUFFFFFFFFF OF THIS SHIT!

[passiveporcupine]

129. Actually the op is wrong

621 surrogate ballots were turned in. 402 went to Clinton, and 215 went to Sanders.

Out of over 800 people who showed up, 329 went to Clinton and 474 went to Sanders.

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/new-clinton-supporters-slightly-outnumber-sanders-camp-at-laramie-county/article_97ebaff2-fe9e-11e5-a8e8-73e7ed6c9c66.html

I don't know where the OP numbers come from but they are wrong.

[berningman]

36. cheating pure and simple

[Skwmom]

81. No. It is not fair if Bernie supporters didn't have the benefit of the same. It's anything

as long as Clinton wins.

[LadyHawkAZ]

114. The Clinton camp was good with that in AZ n/t

[Ken Burch]

136. Nobody is calling for denying the franchise for anyone.

But the rule is clear...it has to be one surrogate per person. You can't legally be a surrogate for over 600 people.

[Codeine]

138. Where is that "clear" rule?

Everything I've read indicates nothing of the sort.

[Codeine]

157. Crickets. nt

[JimDandy]

61. Those surrogate ballots were also supposed to be there when the caucus was opened.

That is so their surrogate can account for them, instead of their physical body, and then their presidential preference can be included in the first and second vote counts while they are going on. They can not be brought in afterward in boxes and added in to the totals.

[KPN]

86. It gets fucking tiring doesn't it?

The Clintons may be the most powerful couple in American politics, so it's particularly disturbing to see how much they are lying, cheating and stealing in this primary contest. You have to wonder how much of their past "success" has resulted from underhandedness. There are always shenanigans, but they've taken it to new heights.

It's pretty sad. And sad for democracy if they actually get away with it.

On this one though I don't think they will. They will get busted.

[CorporatistNation]

104. ONE PERSOn FOR EACH VOTE! Therre HAs Got To Be... MAJOR SHENANIGANS HERE!

FIGHT THIS SHIT TOOTH AND NAIL!

[PeaceNikki]

147. First of all, it's party rules, not "laws".

Secondly:

[kgnu_fan]

2. investigate????

[WhiteTara]

3. In California,

I believe you can. Don't know about Wyoming.

[CoffeeCat]

122. Yes. Can these ballots be verified and counted?

It seems very odd that the caucus rooms would go 75 percent Bernie and then the ballots give Clinton the whole win.

It's odd enough that it should trigger a counting of those ballots.

[passiveporcupine]

130. The ballots did not give Hillary the whole win

The OP is wrong.

I don't know where this info is coming from. The OP has no link. I posted a link to real numbers.

[WhiteTara]

142. Of course

All absentee ballot envelopes have the voters name and signatures and they are matched against voter lists. Just because Clinton wins, is not a sign of fraud.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. Go Bernie Army! #Research your little tails off!

Learn these rules so you will understand how messed up our system is, and how you can help fix it by staying involved after this election season.

[Milestone]

5. Hillary should buy lotto tickets.

She has the most amazing :cough:suspicious:cough: luck.

[pacalo]

11. Duhbya must have shared their secrets at the family barbecue.

[brooklynite]

20. I think it's called: convincing people to vote for you.

[berningman]

40. sure all 625 surrogate votes went weathervane that sounds perfectly reasonable

[jwirr]

42. And that luck always seems to involve the biggest county or

city.

[jillan]

6. I wonder what their state laws are. Here in Az you cannot do that. It's actually a law that I cannot

bring my daughter's mail in ballot into a polling location. She has to do that herself.
So I wonder what the law is in WY? I'm sure we'll find out.

[questionseverything]

37. look @ post 26,30 and 33

this is not going to be about state laws since it is a caucus but about party rules

which seem to be about as clear as mud

[Nanjeanne]

7. Well if they couldn't be bothered to show up - they probably won't show up at the Convention so

Bernie will win by the even larger 12.4% he has won by as of now.

[Trenzalore]

8. I swear I have never seen a bunch of bigger whiners and cry babies in my life

Can't ever accept an opponents win. You all need help.

[think]

15. Do you care to comment on the actual discussion or just here to cause trouble

and call people names?

[fighting-irish]

75. And my opponent didn't win Wyoming.

It's still a two-step caucus process. When they get to the County, the 600+ votes will be nowhere to be seen; thus giving Bernie the additional delegate or four. She will miss her projection numbers.

[Trenzalore]

77. 7-7 tie

Given the expectations of 10-4 that is a win

[fighting-irish]

78. It will end up 11-3 favoring Bernie

at the end of the caucus process. There are still two more steps before getting the final numbers.

[Trenzalore]

80. I think a lesson was learned in Nevada

So don't bet too hard on that.

[Kittycat]

126. Not.for Wyoming.

According to their site, this isn't precinct caucus, it's county caucus to start. So from here they go right to state in May, then national.

County delegates split, 7-7. That said, the way I interpret the incomplete faq rules,it just states that the voter is required to submit to the state party by April 1st.

http://www.wyodems.org/frequently-asked-questions

[pantsonfire]

155. I agree....look at Nevada and Missouri....n/t

[Barack_America]

9. I would have to imagine that 1 person cannot surrogate for 600 people.

You would have to imagine the surrogacy provision was not to allow people to circumvent attending, but for truly special circumstances.

But we'll see what happens with this.

[BuelahWitch]

10. Are these the same as absentee ballots?

Because "surrogate" sounds much more sleazy.

[joshcryer]

98. Yes, they are effectively absentee ballots for the caucus.

But this bothers some since caucases are inherently undemocratic, and if, say, you're working mom with two kids and a 12 hr day job and can't make it to the caucuses, though luck.

[BuelahWitch]

102. Well, "surrogate" makes it sound like someone stands in for these voters

I know that other states who are doing caucuses started absentee ballots for the first time this year. If it's a paper ballot, it is just continuing this trend. But that isn't the word that's been used. Is it a person or a paper?

[JimDandy]

110. It is a person who is supposed to be given a piece of paper

from another person in their precinct which states that that person is their surrogate and may (use their body to carry their) vote in their stead.

Usually one person can be the surrogate for multiple people in the same precinct. The Dem Party can limit the number of surrogacies one person may carry, though.

For example, at a County Dem Party's quarterly meeting, I was the surrogate for two people who authorized me, by way of a signed proxy affidavit, to represent their body and cast their vote for them at that meeting. That was an open-ended proxy vote/surrogacy in which the absent members had to trust that I would vote how they wanted. I brought the signed proxy/surrogate paper with me and presented it in person at the meeting.

Surrogacies are handled differently at the Presidential Primary Caucuses. They deviate in these ways: the state party produced a standardized printed form on which the absent person (body) could put in writing who they preferred as their first and second choices for president; NO specific person is named on the form to be the surrogate to carry their vote; The form must be faxed or mailed to the State Party Chair at least a week before the caucus; The forms are (supposed to be) given to the temporary Caucus Chair right before the caucus opens and the Chair, in effect, serves as the surrogate.

While doing GOTV, a canvasser is not allowed to state to someone that the "Surrogate Ballot" is an "Absentee Ballot", but, because of the above stated deviations, for all intents and purposes it serves as one.

[Politicalboi]

12. That seems like bullshit by the Clinton's

I guess we'll see.

[Cheese Sandwich]

13. Hillary trying to steal Wyoming to break the momentum.

[athena]

16. Do you have any evidence of that?

Or is it just that no one can be expected to vote for Hillary, so any vote she gets is by definition a stolen vote?

[Cheese Sandwich]

17. Yes. Here...

@WilburnZac MSNBC said Laramie co had little over 800 show up. Bern got 689. Hill 111.Then 625 surrogates votes for hill came in.She won by 47

[msongs]

27. twitter is not evidence. nt

[Dragonfli]

46. No that will come after the embarrassingly needed investigation (embarrassing for our country) nt

[Dragonfli]

43. So Virtually all of the "surrogates" had one guy walk over 600 times to the hill side of the venu

So he could stand in for over 600 separate delegates (apparently being counted each time he walked over there again)

a Surrogate for over 600 Hillary voters (each one individually needed a surrogate so yes the guy had a lot of walking to do) and all the Bernie Surrogate votes, "accidentally" fell out of the box on the way over? Sure, nothing fishy here, that kinda stuff happens all he time in first world, err I think at this point I'll have to go with third world democracies, yep happens all the time.

How does that song by Little Debs go again?

It's my party and I'll cheat if I want to
cheat if I want to
cheat if I want to
You would cheat too if Hill asked you to too.......

Catchy song
Love the new cover version by Debby and it's new lyrics.

[Cheese Sandwich]

47. i don't know. Rumors fly pretty quickly sometimes

We'll see what happens. New York is the big banana anyways.

[Dragonfli]

51. Fair enough, but I wouldn't be surprised if something were planned in the most populated county

just to dampen enthusiasm before NY.

[CorporatistNation]

139. Have You Seen The Vanderbilt Study And Cumulative Vote Share Analysis A Method of Skimming!

that steals delegates in a blowout to minimize damage to the losing party and to steal an election when it's close.

Sound familiar?

GO TO THIS SITE for the WHOLE Story!

http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1446048.htm


ELECTION STEALING DOCUMENTED BEYOND A DOUBT

The following is the holy grail of proof that America's elections have been rigged.

Phil sent the following to this web site and Whatreallyhappened.com: http://82.221.129.208/holygrail.html

I'm not sure how closely you are following the Democratic Primary in particularly Arizona and other states, but the orchestrated vote rigging is in the open for all to see.
My apologies for the long email.

For starters here's a link to John Brakey's interview on FB group Occupy Rigged Elections: https://www.facebook.com/geoff.woods.148/videos/10205808178755345/

150,000 voters unable to vote, Sanders receives 60% of paper ballots but only 40% of DRE votes, Voters' party affifliation being changed by the tens of thousands to prevent voting, etc. This is plain and simply establishment rigging the Primary. And these same conditions are happening in NY, Wisconsin, and others as well.

Something very key here is that in 2012 as group of mathematicians, engineers, and statistical analysts developed a method of vote rigging detection that is now called Candidate Vote Share analysis, or CVS. The method was rigorously attacked by trolls in 2012 that prevented it being widely accepted. Since then, however, numerous studies designed to negate CVS have instead proven CVS is a near 100% accurate method of detecting vote rigging for a single candidate. In summary, CVS tells us precisely who is cheating and by how much. One University of Vanderbilt study that supports 100% the accuracy of CVS is https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1410/1410.8868.pdf.

Explaining CVS analysis: It was discovered that the establishment tabulation vote riggers focus on precincts where the most votes exist and there's a lot to gain, leaving alone the low vote total precincts. So if we plot precinct vote totals (X) versus each candidate's cumulative vote total (Y) listing from lowest to highest vote total left to right, the graph should level out after about 2k- 10k vote have accumulated. When a single candidate's cumulative % score correlates with the raw number of votes cast per precinct, the election is rigged. This is ALL you need to know to accurately show a stolen election and by how much. SNIP

[Dragonfli]

141. Looks interesting, I will check out all the linkd later when I have more time. /nt

[me b zola]

156. ...And why would a surrogate for Hillary also be a surrogate for Bernie?

Makes no sense.


The party needs to show chain of custody for those ballots/votes/whatever.

[Agschmid]

82. No.

[NuclearDem]

19. New line: Absentee ballots are cheating.

You guys sound more and more like Republicans everyday.

[think]

23. Surrogates arent the same thing as absentee ballots. At least get your facts straight if you're

going to be calling people names and spouting off.

[berningman]

45. Facts? you call the verbal diarrhea these fools vomit facts? it takes a special kind of stupid to

accept 6 coin flips and 600 surrogate votes all go to the Queen and it's all on the up and up.

[Agschmid]

151. So now that you know not all 600 went to the "Queen" will you correct your post

Probably not...

[99Forever]

54. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Facts and truth aren't that one's long suit.

Does have the insults and name-calling down tho.

[NuclearDem]

72. Pot, kettle.

[Squinch]

57. They really don't have the first clue about how this is done. They can't ALL be first time voters!!!

[BillZBubb]

83. Congrats! You are my new ignore for the day!

It takes a very ignorant post to win the coveted BillZBubb ignore. And you did it!

[bettyellen]

24. Generally all the paper ballots get counted- "come in" together. This must be your first election.

So you're for suppressing the vote now? And lying abut cheating. So admirable.

[FourScore]

25. The caucus rules are different.

Must be 1 person per surrogate (is being reported on twitter). Results of Laramie are being challenged.

[questionseverything]

26. nothing on the dem website in wy about how the surrogate ballots get to the caucus

http://www.wyodems.org/frequently-asked-questions

7. What if I am unable to attend the county caucuses?

If an attendee is unable to attend their county caucus due to:

Religious Observance

Military Service

Disability

Illness

Work Schedule

Student studying abroad

then they may submit a surrogate form to the state party. The deadline for surrogate forms to be received is April 1st- since this deadline is past the form is no longer available.

//////////////////////////////

they do say there has to be a reason for requesting the surrogate ballot

wonder if the list of voters requesting surrogate ballots is public record or not?

[winter is coming]

30. Odd... the Natrona county Dems' website says the deadline is April 7th, not April 1st.

Proxy voting is not permitted at county caucuses. However, those who are unable to
attend due to religious observance, military service, disability, illness, or work schedule
may submit a “surrogate affidavit” form prior to the county caucuses. Official surrogate
affidavit forms can be downloaded from the state website- wyodems.org starting in early
Spring 2016. The State party must receive surrogate affidavit forms no later than 5:00pm
Thursday April 7, 2016.

http://www.natronacountydems.com/uploads/2/6/7/2/26727287/caucus_pressguidefinal.pdf

[questionseverything]

33. to me that reads that these surrogate ballots are returned to the party by april7th

if that is how it goes then

one party big wig probably did bring all 600

thanks for the link

[winter is coming]

35. That's not the same date as the state website, though.

And it seems odd that HRC would have almost six times as many "surrogate" ballots as in-person ballots. I'd have expected the numbers to be flipped in the other direction.

Did Bernie have any surrogate ballots for that county?

[questionseverything]

44. the way i read it, april 1st is deadline to request, april 7th deadline to return

what i think is important here is, are the names that requested surrogate ballots subject to public record?

or can a party insider just bring that many surrogate ballots and no one questions it?

is there a paper trail or not?

[winter is coming]

52. I'd be appalled if there isn't a paper trail.

I'm curious to see how the "you have to have a person at the caucus for each surrogate ballot" shakes out.

[questionseverything]

62. me too

[JDPriestly]

131. Right. Both Bernie's and Hillary's instructions for the caucuses mention that the surrogate

forms have to be handed in to THE PARTY by April 1.

That may be why Bernie might question or challenge these surrogate votes. I'm just accepting the statements here that Bernie is questioning this. I have no personal information to that effect.

http://voteforbernie.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/WYOMING.pdf

If the Hillary campaign brought them to the caucus, then maybe there is a question as to whether they should be counted.

If they were handed in to the state or local Democratic Party by April 1, and it was the Democratic Party that brought them to the caucus, then they would be in compliance with the law it would seem to me at least insofar as the date. We don't of course, know whether the forms were filled out correctly.

This will be looked into I'm sure.

I have heard that there were also problems in Nevada and of course Arizona.

Strange how all these problems seem to benefit Hillary.

Her reputation for honesty does not need to be placed in more doubt than it already is.

[berningman]

50. yes it seems odd. not it is completely not possible in this or any universe parallel or otherwise.

Just odd. You guys go with that.

[stillwaiting]

84. I am sure this happens all the time.

In banana republics.

[Politicalboi]

38. They need a "person" to represent that vote

Either you find someone, or Hillary has to find people to stand in I would think. One person one vote. You can't mail in a caucus.

[questionseverything]

48. do you have a link that says that because i can not find it

from the party rules i have read the surrogate ballots are just returned to party by april 7th

[NWCorona]

55. I can definitely understand your name

But it would seem odd for one guy to bring them all in. You'd think that some would drop off personally and I would expect at lest some for Bernie

I'm just going off what's available at the moment.

[questionseverything]

58. it is just if we are going to take a stand, i want to be correct

otherwise it is a waste of time

little side thought,

if the in room count was hc 111 and bernie 689

and they brought 625 surrogate ballots, even with every single one being for hc, she could only win by 45 not 47 as announced

111 plus 625=736

736 minus 689=45

[winter is coming]

59. Well, if that one guy is a representative for the county party and he's delivering

the ballots mailed to the party, that wouldn't seem so strange. But I don't know if it works that way, and it's fishy as hell that there are six times as many surrogate ballots as Hillary delegates... and that Bernie apparently had no surrogate ballots??

[questionseverything]

66. look at my math in 58, bernie evidently had -2 surrogates

[Skink]

29. No surrogates for Bernie?

[BuelahWitch]

108. He doesn't have a slush fund for that kind of shit. n/t

[Skink]

115. He's eating Hillarys lunch in NY.

We can sue later.

[farleftlib]

32. Yup, 689 vs 111 actual people for Bernie vs Hillary

but she "won" that county by 47 surrogate votes.

[Octafish]

49. Signs of collapsing support.

People who voted early or often are being outnumbered NOW by those for Bernie.

[Squinch]

60. Or a sign that the Sanders people just forgot to get their surrogates in.

Either way, a much better showing for Hillary than expected!

[Octafish]

64. Absolutely.

Congratulations!

[Squinch]

73. Thank you! That is very nice of you!

[Octafish]

95. Please know I will be a happy Democrat no matter the nominee.

Each in their own way -- both Hillary and Bernie have fought the Good Fight.

[Squinch]

97. I'm liking the fight less and less, but I'll be voting for the winner.

[mhatrw]

53. That's Clinton's surrogate EXCITEMENT!!!

Those surrogate ballots were definitely HIGHLY MOTIVATED to turn out for her!

[Squinch]

76. Well, a) they understand the rules unlike DU and b) they had stuff to do.

Hillary people can vote AND plant tomatoes or go to a soccer game, all at the same time!

We're cool that way!

[JimDandy]

112. Oops, they better not be planting tomatoes or attending soccer games

if they voted by surrogate ballot. Only people who are sick, disabled, working, in military service or participating in religious observances on caucus day may cast a surrogate ballot.

Don't want you to be one of the people on DU who doesn't understand the rules.

[FourScore]

118. Beautiful.

[JimDandy]

88. Sanders will pick up a bunch more delegates in WY at each of the next delegate level

because Clinton's support was mostly via surrogate ballots. Like in NV and MO. Bodies have to be there at all the next levels, and Clinton doesn't generate the excitment in her constituents that is needed to motivate them to keep turning out. The surrogate ballots will probably work against her best interests in the end, but the ghost delegates they appear to generate at today's caucuses are valuable, even if temporary, because they front load the media with buzz right now.

[KPN]

91. Surrogate excitement?

You mean like Monica?

[Squinch]

56. Seriously, bro, do you know NOTHING about how this process works?

[FourScore]

63. Rather than belittle, how about educate? n/t

[Gwhittey]

68. Ever heard of Scorpion and frog?

if not Google Scorpion and frog. That will answer your question

[Squinch]

69. No way. The accusations about skullduggery are hilarious and if I did talk about how the process

works, someone would just write a post blaming Hillary for rules that have been in place since forever.

It's happened before right here on the DU! No, really, it has!

So now, I just concentrate on enjoying the process.

[SaschaHM]

67. Surrogate forms are...

mailed in the state party. The deadline was April 1st. I learned this from voteforbernie.org You don't send in another person to turn them in for you.

[JimDandy]

70. The answer is there must be a surrogate in each precinct for surrogate ballots

in that precinct, if they have the same rules as the Dem party in WA State. It works like that at County Dem quarterly meeting in WA state also-not just at the caucuses. So if WY has the same rules, one person in a precinct can be the surrogate for one or more ballots of people in their same precinct. So that person with the box of 600 surrogate ballots could be the 'body' for all those ballots, IF the people who signed those ballots live in the same precinct as the surrogate.

[FourScore]

117. Then why do a caucus? They can just all do mail in ballots. n/t

[JimDandy]

127. I am so with you on that. It appears to be a compromise measure

to allow the sick, disabled etc. to 'absentee vote', while still maintaining the caucus structure. And at my small precinct caucus, 2 of us actually submitted resolutions for the county convention level. Mine was to get rid of the caucus process and use the statewide primary to apportion delegates instead.

[Octafish]

71. Now THAT is interesting. And maybe undemocratic as all get out...

...if one person means 625 votes.

[seabeyond]

79. Aren't surrogates actual people?

[JimDandy]

103. Yes, is the short answer.

A caucus is a meeting of bodies. A surrogate is supposed to be a person's body standing in the place of another's body in order to cast the vote for that absent body.

[seabeyond]

106. It is like hearing the "peoples voice" for Sanders and Clinton's vote is corporate. No.

The people voting for Clinton are equally the peoples voice, just more....

[Aerows]

85. Unfortunately, the Bernie Sanders

campaign has to compensate for such obvious voter suppression and out-right theft by overwhelming support, voter participation, and rigorous adherence to voting laws even though they aren't in the favor of our candidate.

It sucks, it isn't Democratic, but if we want to win this thing, we have to just push forward harder.

It is fruitless to expect the Clinton camp to even pretend to care if the election was rigged. We have to build a bridge, get over it, and fight harder. She and her supporters are busy burning those bridges, so we are in the race to win it!

[jfern]

124. Yup, they said they were going nuclear, and I guess that includes ballot stuffing.

[Dragonfli]

132. .

Just like the good old days...

[stillwaiting]

89. What a fucking joke this entire primary season has been.

At this point even HRC supporters better hope Bernie wins because HRC is not going to get the support of a lot of Bernie supporters.

Such a joke.

[K Gardner]

137. In every single state where he won or had a chance..

there has been some b/s like this. They planned this LONG LONG before these primaries started.

I don't know why I am dumbfounded, but I am. The bad news: the Millenials are an angry, mobilized army, and are having NONE of it.

[azmom]

90. 625 surrogate votes came in and they were

All for Hillary. Not buying it.

[BuelahWitch]

109. Me either

[Agschmid]

152. Don't buy it, it was 100% wrong.

[NorthCarolina]

94. This will be like NV. The Hillary "surrogates" won't show up to the

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state level caucus in May, and the delegate assignments will change at that time. The "surrogates" only really serve to avoid reports of a blowout on caucus day, then after everyone forgets about the #WYcaucus the tally's will be corrected.

[winter is coming]

111. +1. Still playing the game of kicking the can down the road, hoping

they can choke off Bernie's campaign before a reckoning arrives. I expect to see a lot of "Is Bernie's campaign running out of steam?" bullshit pushed during the coming week.

[drokhole]

101. The Clinton Camp: putting the L-i-e in Laramie!

[BainsBane]

107. Damn Wyoming trying to let people vote

by allowing absentee provisions for caucuses. Don't they know that delivering Bernie the vote requires keeping participation rates low?

[eridani]

113. Not to worry--the surrogates won't show up at the next level n/t

[DelphiniumBlue]

116. Similar Strategy (Fraud) as in NV see Video

So, @Project_Veritas posted this

of Hillary campaign violating election law in Nevada by only registering voters after inquiring which candidate they supported.

I highly suspect the same thing was done in Wyoming door to door (or nursing home to nursing home) with absentee forms. If the voter was Hillary, they helped fill out form. If the voter was Bernie, they ignored. Whether it's legal/within party rules or not, I'm not sure. Wyoming residents should definitely find out!

[uppityperson]

123. Did you know this is produced by James O'Keefe, RW falsehood monger?

[Codeine]

133. Of course they know it.

Clinton Derangement Syndrome knows no shame, and noob posters pushing right wing slime are just par for the Bernietown course nowadays.

[TeamPooka]

125. That a DU jury allowed a new user to post this RW trash and let it stay up boggles my mind.

[passiveporcupine]

149. I don't get this either.

Neither side wants it...look at what it does...it instigates Clinton supporters to attack Bernie supporters for something they had nothing to do with.

Neither side wants this kind of crap posted here.

[passiveporcupine]

150. enjoy your stay!

[Bread and Circus]

119. Sounds extremely fishy

[passiveporcupine]

128. Do you have a link?

I posted a link in another thread with different numbers than you are showing. You cannot count on twitter posts for accuracy. Clinton did not get all the surrogate votes. Please see my posts. I wish you would correct your OP, as you now have a lot of people going ballistic and calling Hillary a cheater and there is no evidence to support that.

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/new-clinton-supporters-slightly-outnumber-sanders-camp-at-laramie-county/article_97ebaff2-fe9e-11e5-a8e8-73e7ed6c9c66.html

[tammywammy]

135. Kick for this post

[FourScore]

140. I just updated it. Thank you so much for alerting me.

I feel rather embarrassed now, although I did not see the totals in this article ANYWHERE online yesterday. I do, however, think the article is probably correct. I tried to verify all the original twitter totals, and saw them on reddit, and other places, but was probably a situation where the false numbers caught fire.

Thanks for the link. I hope people see it.

[passiveporcupine]

148. It's easy to get caught up in the excitement.

It took some digging for me to find the link...but the rule of thumb is never post something as fact if it's just from an individual on the internet. It needs to come from a reliable source.

Google is your friend, but sometimes you need to be pretty dedicated to keep up the search till you really find something that is accurate...but still remember that even early news stories are often wrong on details.

And I do thank you for updating your OP.

[Agschmid]

153. Thank you.

[Codeine]

144. Very, very cool of FourScore to update the original post with current data.

I urge everyone to read the edited OP for some perspective. Hat tip to Fourscore!

[Booksmith]

145. Pettition to get the whitehouse to call for investigation into the unrealistic results.

No one is saying that the surrogate voting system is unfair, it is however unbelievable that one Candidate got such a huge amount of votes like this without something being off. The petition asks for them to contact a cross section of these voters and actually verify that they cast these votes, or even if these people are real voters and still alive. Republicans have a bad habit of letting dead people vote for them and I wouldn't put that past Clinton since she is Republican-lite.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-clinton-surrogate-voting-fraud-wyoming

[panader0]

146. Welcome to DU!

[Agschmid]

154. Thanks for the updated version.