2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary backers, will you pledge to follow the 2008 Obama precedent?
In 2008, Obama won more pledged delegates than Hillary by the end of the primary. Consequently, Super Delegates switched from Hillary to Obama and he thus won the nomination. So will you now pledge that if Bernie ends up in June with more pledged delegates, you will encourage the Super Delegates to follow suit?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)From what I hear on DU, no, they won't.
Instead, they'll demand those SDs switch to Bernie anyway.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)They are undemocratic and useless. If the candidate trailing in PDs wants to take it to the convention and pitch to the SDs, I say go for it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or Bernie fans wouldn't want to flip them if he doesn't have a majority of PDs.
Which is interesting given that Bernie supporters were absolutely sure, and very angry, believing that the SDs would push Hillary over the top if Bernie was leading in PDs.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I am interested to see how they would, individually and collectively, vote under different circumstances. They should be done away with because, historically, they have been wholly irrelevant. If they were to step in to block a PD winner, they would be undemocratic.
But they are currently in place and can vote for any or no reason, so let's have it out.
bigtree
(86,021 posts)...it's never been an issue at DU as long as I've been here.
The 2016 difference is that the jury has allowed so many Bernie or Bust posts to flourish and fester... and the way Bernie's been canonized by his supporters as everyone's best version of FDR .
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)delegate loser drops out and endorses as soon as they've lost. Depending on margin, that would be either June 8 or June 15.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Given the corrupt Hillary Victory fund, Corporate Media spin and voter suppression, this is not even close to a fair fight. But I'll take it. Let's talk after California.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Useless and silly. Should be done away with.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it's not that inconceivable that someone could Trump this party just like what's going on in the RNC field--winning a plurality in a divided field but absolutely despised and unacceptable to a strong majority.
And probably restricted to officials who face the voters regularly--governors, mayors, members of congress.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)The Super Delegates do provide a checks-and-balances option against the possibility of Trump or Lyndon Larouche, etc. mounting a successful insurgency. Glad we can agree on something. Truly!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)primary season just highlights the divisions
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)If a candidate had a plurality in a divided field, they would not reach the majority on the first round vote, subsequent rounds would lead to a winner.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the process and help it retain legitimacy since they're still elected officials.
It seemed like a really far-fetched scenario until this year.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)We can't risk a Trump or Cruz presidency! I am a Democrat and will vote for our nominee.
Will you ask the same of Sanders' backers?
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Whomever has the pledged delegate lead should be the nominee.
bigtree
(86,021 posts)...I'll need a new pair of galoshes.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Despite the corrupt Hillary Victory Fund, the corrupt Corporate Media and Wall Street, we are working to make it Bern.
bigtree
(86,021 posts)...second-rate senator running a second-rate campaign.
Two and a half million more votes...that has to bern.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Why? Because he is not bought and sold like all the prostitutes passing themselves off as public servants?
bigtree
(86,021 posts)...not even the good old time kind.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Ever read a biography on Gore? I read three in making my decision. That was the last time I was interested in voting for president before this cycle.
Have you researched Hillary on climate change? Fracking? Wall Street? Racial justice in the '90's? North Carolina in 2008? Do you know how many positions she has reversed 180 degrees in eight years? Ever hear of Annie Oakley? Do you know what the Hillary Victory fund does? How much research have you done?
bigtree
(86,021 posts)...give it a rest.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)bigtree
(86,021 posts)...saw that coming, didn't you?
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Just curious, but who did you decide to vote for in 2000 after reading 3 books on Gore?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the Democratic primary is going to matter this year in CA... shhh don't tell anybody, but so will the Republican one.
The last time the democratic primary one mattered was 1992. The last time it mattered for the Rs it was 1980. So yes, we are having a pretty strong arctic blast. Gosh we are even having two presidential rallies in San Diego no less in 2 weeks.
So yes, we are going to matter, sorry... to disappoint. That has not changed my voting strategy, who I vote for... is for delegate count.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and support whichever candidate wins the most popular votes. Simple, defensible, and democratic.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Let me take that back, the marching orders to subvert PD's are coming from Sanders and Weaver themselves.
Of course I think SD's should back the person who is ahead in PD's at the convention.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Again, I have not seen one Clinton supporter in this election make the case that SD's should vote against who has a majority of the PD's. Yet the argument is made by the Sanders campaign and its supporters daily.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)And a Super Delegate to boot.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)pledged voters, I will expect the superdelegates to confirm him as the nominee. I doubt that will happen, though.
I will vote for the Democratic nominee in November. That's been my pledge all along. How about you? If Hillary has the majority of pledged delegates at the convention, will you encourage the superdelegates to vote for her?
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)This is the most undemocratic primary by either party I have seen in 50 years of following politics, so fairness is basically irrelevant in my view.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Now ask the same of Bernie supporters.
senz
(11,945 posts)It is so telling.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Should get the nomination unless something drastic and damaging its revealed and the candidate refuses to drop out.