2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI love the outreach efforts Hillary's supporters are launching to bring Bernie's fans into the fold
Too bad "Vote for me or fuck you" doesn't fit nicely on a bumper sticker.
I was an Obama supporter in 2008 and I remember being happy but not being a dick, even to the Party Unity My Ass crowd.
Enjoy the win but don't think that the General Election will be smooth sailing.
Obama won behind "Hope" & "Change" but I don't think Hillary will be a shoo in with "Its my turn god dammit". She might want to ditch the blend of nastiness and victimization and offer up something positive to the disillusioned and disenfranchised.
My two cents, but hey Fuck me, right. I'm just a voter.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)In 2008, the attacks against Obama when she painted Obama as a Muslim...
This year, the attacks are against a liberal Jew who even got the Pope's attention...
The spin on that story has been all over the place.
In 2008, she was all in the camp of gun owners (or in the rationale of Hillary supporters, an advocate for the gun industry against the victims of Columbine (to make a fitting comparison) while this year, she accused Bernie of siding with NRA and the arms indutry against the Sandy Hook victims.
in 2008, she didn't have MSM in her pocket the same way. MSNBC had Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow was not yet corrupted by corporate media...
In 2008 she threw everything including the kitchen sink against Obama. Now, she is riding his back (while not mentioning a single word how she tried to undermine Obama's authority abroad with her support for the military coup makers in Honduras and the Libya slaughter)
However, there are similarities. The sexist attacks (no substantial argument to counter with) and the Berniebro meme replacing the Obamaboys meme. These memes often come when no substantial argument is offered, and a temper tantrum and victimhood triggers are on the way..
Just my two cents.
I will look forward to the day when a corporate "democrat" sells out the rest of what was once a safety net and send her voters' kids to another unecesssary, and legally dubious war, or if a republican should do the same, and implement a theocratic dictatorsip on top. It will be interesting in witnessing how people cannot help themselves and insist on repeating mistakes in history.
I'm becoming a Carlinist and have no hope for humanity the way they think they support democracy but in reality support an oligarchy.
History teaches us that we learn nothing from History.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)but hate seeing our democracy disappear to become an oligarchy. The more we allow the neo- liberals to get away it the harder it will be for them to fall. We are leaving a hell hole for our children, who will never know what democracy is truly about. The corporate media's propaganda will keep them docile and hopeless. This isn't just happening in USA, its happening all over the world...think Hunger Games!
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)The Clinton clan put the last nail in the coffin when the "3rd way" became the "sensible" way, and progressive values became "extremist".
I was in Kansas 26 years ago as an exchange student. And watching USA from afar today, shows me how propaganda, indoctrination and skewed media have warped most people's sense of reality for decades. Even then, I saw American "democracy" for the bullshit story it really is. The history teacher displayed how the American mind have been destroyed by comparing USSR with USA, where as in USSR you could vote for commie A or commie B. Today, you have the choice between Goldman Sachs beneficiary A or B, making it seem they are against each other.
I consider my generation a lost one in this matter since it seems that the millenials are the ones making sense. They must have been born after Government removed led from the painting in houses and homes.
What old people who vote for Hillary don't realize is that their vote will have a negative impact on future generations just like their support for Bill Clinton's crime bill destroyed an entire generation of AA youth, making them slave labor for the private prison farms who's been throwing money at both parties - Hillary included!
I am from today, officially announcing my Carlinist convictions!
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)arikara
(5,562 posts)MSNBC and CNN are sputtering away to mostly boomers and some gen Xers. Unfortunately there are still enough of us watching and "learning" from them. I just hope Bernie's movement continues growing and that the kids don't give up... if heaven forbid she wins.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I still have it because I am in a mobile home park where everyone has it and we pay in our park fee. I use for
Tiny Houses and Star Trek and the music stations. Sometimes PBS and BBC are allowed to show their faces, smile. And Democracy Now if I am home. Otherwise it is the internet for me and I suspect my great nephews will do the same since they are growing up on computers.
arikara
(5,562 posts)if the Mr wasn't addicted to flicking the remote I would cancel it as I don't find much worth the price... Star Trek when I catch it. We just recently found RT hidden away on the far upper reaches amongst the Chinese and Indian language channels. Its good and we get too mad at CNN and MSNBC to watch them. CBC has even jumped the shark since Harper stacked the board and upper management with extreme neocons.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)The smokescreen has become so thick in the last, oh I don't know...35 years, especially.. It is almost impossible to see through it.
I live in New York, so if Clinton is the nominee, I fortunately will not have to vomit voting for her.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)the country has jumped the shark. But I completely agree with you.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)The problem that Hillary is facing is that too many who currently call themselves Democrats are not weak-minded idiots, like the Republicans, and we are informed and we do not forget. She may try to shape shift but we remember all the previous shapes that she has shifted into when it suits her ends.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,830 posts)Yeah, right.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)when it does become 'heartwarming' is when it'll get really puke inducing
brush
(53,978 posts)criminal, corporate whore and now you expect "warm and fuzzy" immediate begs for your support.
Amazing! That'll take a while.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Well, should your candidate become the nominee, at least you realize what you're going to have to do if you want Clinton to win in the GE.
brush
(53,978 posts)Latino Americans, African Americans, women, gays, Asian Americans, Native Americans, other POCs and progressive whites who understand the importance of voting blue are the Obama coalition and will win it again for Clinton in '16.
The Sanders supporters who also understand voting blue will get on board. The ones still holding grudges are welcome to come along for the ride, but who in that tattered repug party is going to beat Clinton?
Trump, he with the highest negatives in history, he who called Mexicans criminals and whores, he who wants to ban muslims from even entering the country, who talks about women and with blood coming out of their eyes and who knows where else, who calls African Americans "the blacks" and encourages his followers to beat them up at his rallies, and who mocks the handicapped get real.
He's not beating anyone but Cruz whose name is in the DC madam's phone book, won ZERO delegates last night in NY and is hated by everyone of his Congressional colleagues, not to mention most of the non-winger public.
And then there is the non-entity Kasich who won one primary, has a miniscule number of delegates compared to the infamous two listed above, who thinks he's qualified to lectures Hassids on the bible and is hanging on only to maybe get the VP slot. Who the hell is he beating?
So yeah, we really need Bernie or Busters who can't possibly lower their principles to step down from their ego-driven high horse and vote blue because their candidate didn't win.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I wonder if anyone has crunched the numbers, though, as to whether the BorBs could actually succeed in electing a write-in candidate as president? I think only 40 or so states allow write in candidates.
brush
(53,978 posts)and Guam, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, but go for it if it'll lessen the sting of this huge New York loss.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Truth hurts, I know.
brush
(53,978 posts)But keep doing what you're doing, maybe in MD and PA because it sure didn't help Sanders in New York.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)There's a sucker born every minute? Truth, apparently, is a relative term to some people. Kind of like the definition of "is."
She hasn't won yet -- can EVERYbody have a chance to vote before she is coronated? That would be awesome, thanks.
brush
(53,978 posts)hauling in his 800k a month for as long as he can yep, that's right. His firm is racking in that every month. And Weaver is also hauling it in from all those people who they keep telling to send money when there is not path to victory.
Amaril
(1,267 posts).....that Obama stole Clinton's rightful coronation in 2008.
Chin up, buttercup.
brush
(53,978 posts)No reason for me to be sad.
You on the other hand . . .
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)I am not crying. I am laughing.
When Clinton loses the GE, I will be back here laughing at y'all and saying guess what we were right.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)I said +40 for Clinton and it is only going to be +26.
Did I predict a NY Clinton win? Nope. So maybe you have me confused with another Sanders supporter. We Bernie Bros all look and act a like.
Oh, I did predict y'all would eat crow on the Vatican visit. I was dead right then.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Y'all are just so full of shit. She has a net +26 delegates after NY, at least that is the numbers on the Green Papers.
This race is not over. I am so sick of this presumptive bullshit.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)He is going to VT. Tad has already stated we are moving forward. And the LA office just opened today. We aren't going anywhere.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)his policy agenda.
beaglelover
(3,509 posts)appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)amount. This lead is so insurmountable, I think Sanders should just drop out now!
amborin
(16,631 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)in NY but ended the contest as President of the United States.
PufPuf23
(8,858 posts)This is an age of trans-national and monopoly corporations.
Bad for people. Bad for the environment. Pro war.
Concentrates wealth and buys democracy.
If Hillary Clinton becomes POTUS (which I expect), I hope there is a real and successful effort to address these issues.
Hillary Clinton reminds me of and is to the right of Richard Nixon.
I have been a registered and voting Democrat since 1972, and became politicized as a Democrat age 15 in 1968.
I want to get the neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism out of the Democratic Party and out of the USA and the Democratic Party back to traditional liberal and New Deal values.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)base of the opposition party. That condition does not exist right now.
PufPuf23
(8,858 posts)Instead Democratic Party leaders (and GOP too) get financial support from the monopolies.
In return, the monopolies get favorable legislation and policy cemented by the revolving door of regulatory capture.
For a pol to support Trust Busting is to marginalize oneself and usually political suicide.
Seems like an opportunity to peel GOP into the Democratic camp as monopolies are a common problem.
Instead we traditional liberals are marginalized within our own Party.
What do you propose?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Legislatures.
PufPuf23
(8,858 posts)how does the Democratic Party halt the influence of the monopolies on Democratic Party leadership and stop the problem of regulatory capture?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)We need to win in November and have a Democrat reshape the Supreme Court. That is step #1 in my mind. The Republicans are even holding up 80 of the President's lower Court nominations. That's where Citizens United can be reversed and regulatory agencies can find protection. The House has been so gerrymandered that Democrats need to be in stronger positions in the states before the 2020 census. The Koch's use their Citizens United freedom to bribe state legislatures to hurt solar and wind and help defeat regulations on fracking. The two work hand in hand.
PufPuf23
(8,858 posts)Given your answers, I do not understand why you are such a staunch backer of Hillary Clinton and why you are contemptible towards supporters of Sanders (except maybe DU magnifies and polarizes opinion).
I was an anyone but Hillary Clinton in 2008 and again in 2016 so backed into Sanders but like him regardless.
My problem with Hillary Clinton is I perceive a lack of ethics and character.
Hillary and Bill Clinton have grown more wealthy from politics than any politicians in the history of the United States.
The Clinton Foundation is a minefield.
I watch the video clip of Hillary Clinton regards to Libya and the killing of Gadaffi and see a psychopath.
However, the idea of indictments lacks gravity because it is rare for the powerful in wealth or politics to be prosecuted or pay a stiff price unless thrown to the wolves by their own kind, not the public or public interests.
Thanks for interchange.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)The Democratic Party knows this, the Republican Party knows this, the Ruling Class knows this- and they've been astonishingly successful at making sure the Working Class never learns this.
The status quo was rolling along just fine, until Bernie Sanders came along and mucked it up with his crazy ideas about democracy, equality and justice."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027749863
apcalc
(4,465 posts)That's nuts. Big time nuts.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)We were told we were naive idiots and that Bernie would be sent packing after Iowa. He'd never break 20% in the polls, then he'd never break 30%, and then he's certainly never break 40%. We just wanted free stuff, and rainbows and unicorns. We were all Berniebros, sexists, closet racists, undercover Trump supporters.
Don't talk to me about how you, the supporters of the most famous, most funded and most institutionally supported candidate in the race were treated, it makes you sound utterly ridiculous.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)Most Dems support Bernie. And if the Dems were allowed to vote they would have kicked her war mongering ass.
That's why all the fixes.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I think that surpassed what the RW did to voter rolls in similarly populated liberal areas of Florida when Obama was on the ballot.
But the NY Dems did this, in a primary, to supress the vote of other Dems.
peace13
(11,076 posts)When Bernie speaks out on it he is a complainer! You know this voter suppression has been an issue all across the country. If Hill does manage to walk away with this I will never view her as anything other than a jailer. She has not spoken out about fair elections because she knows what is going on.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Every last one of them knows that strategy is abbhorent to the very core of the Dem Party and yet, by not denouncing what happened to NY voters, they are effectively cheering it on silently, because it benefitted their candidate.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Disrespecting the vote is pretty much the bottom of the barrel!
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)They cheer for the meaningless deaths of foreigners in our regime change operations.
They cheer for children getting blown to goddamn shreds by one of the cluster bombs that $hillary voted for.
They cheer for everything that chops at the numbers of the 99%.
They're cheering for the utter destruction of the Earth. Because y'know, it's "her turn".
Fuck 'em.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Up is down, day is night, more is less, loss is victory, etc.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Mocking, belittling, and dismissing potential supporter is a brilliant strategy! I really think they should watch their "tone", as Hillary's campaign told Bernie.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)This one is calling Bernie "a real piece of shit" and makes fun of me for saying this isn't the best way to convince us to support Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1784886
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Though if Bernie continue the nastiness post NY I might be swayed that is true.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So is that also not about Bernie, when he says 'fuck Bernie'? Is that your contention?
Posts hidden by Jury: 7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=313074&sub=trans
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)How is a post like that allowed to stand?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)That is outrageous.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)I should have "switched to the GOP" was allowed to stand. Calling Bernie a motherfucker was allowed to stand, while calling Bill a motherfucker got a hide. These people are running amok, but are you surprised? This place is fucking HillaryUnderground where so long as you support the empress, you could be a Stormfront poster and welcomed with open arms!
QC
(26,371 posts)not long ago.
The post was hidden but the poster is still here.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)that people are sporting to express solidarity with a poster who outed herself on another site as an antisemite?
There has been a very nasty undercurrent of antisemitism around here during this campaign.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Part of the reason I dropped that group as soon as I saw her pop up on another site I frequent... Thankfully, the people there are a bit more "what the fuck" towards blatant anti-Semitism.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Reading comprehension is your friend.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)brooklynite
(95,006 posts)When you stop acting like children having a tantrum, you'll be invited to the adults table.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Why is it different now?
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Get off your high horse.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)The OP is correct, let me put an exclamation point on this to validate it!
amborin
(16,631 posts)integrity
brooklynite
(95,006 posts)2) The bottom line is the race will be Clinton vs either Trump or Cruz. If you can't see a difference between the candidates, maybe you should re-examine your core values.
amborin
(16,631 posts)severely compromised candidate who will be shredded in the GE
brooklynite
(95,006 posts)If you're in any competitive State, you're saying there's no difference between them.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Your candidate comes with a lot of questions. Baggage that will need to be opened, aired and discussed. She was permitted to carry it closed throughout the primary but in the General, poutrages and false fuming will not fly. You are responsible for her as the candidate so plan to work hard and sleep less. We've all been there. Good luck with that.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)Competative for sure. I'm just going to write his name in.
It's my vote. No one will guilt me into voting for a candidate. I've held my nose for nearly 25years. From here on out, I vote for who I want to represent me. Not for who I think will win...and especially not someone that thinks I'm a dummy. I'm too old to vote for people that will go back to calling me names as soon as they bank my vote.
I actually see it as much more helpful to the American populous. It's time to push the Democratic Party back to the left.
If that upsets anyone...so what? My vote to use as I please.
brooklynite
(95,006 posts)I can survive a Cruz or Trump Presidency (I might even come out ahead). Can you?
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)I survived a Raygun and two Shrubs. I'm sure I'll survive the next grade A asshole.
peace13
(11,076 posts)...they'll need your help. Remember she can do it on her own! That means a lot of Hill folks beating the bushes!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)beaglelover
(3,509 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,486 posts)They ought to be more concerned about what happens to the country and unconcerned about getting their asses kissed on a message board.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I have never seen a more self centered group than the Hill group. Projection is not only a hobby but a career it seems!
fasttense
(17,301 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)I will never vote for that vile woman.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Which makes them perfectly suited to supporting Mrs Clinton.
amborin
(16,631 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)More Republican talking points. With no proof. She's the most truthful honest one out there.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)toward Sanders' supporters. This site has been pro-Sanders and very anti-Hillary for a long time now.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They both in 2008 found Mrs. Clinton completely unfit to be president. In the intervening 8 years she has added to her resume Honduras, Libya, Syria, TPP, XL pipeline, opposition to gay marriage, praise for Nancy Reagan's AIDS response, offers to raise the SS eligibility age and curb reproductive rights, and enough corruption via the Clinton Foundation to make the old Kremlin blush. Yet now Cha and Steve find her to be the greatest candidate in history.
No principles, no morals.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I wouldn't cast a vote for that corrupt war mongering corporatist if her supporters were the nicest people on earth.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)enid602
(8,678 posts)I seem to detect just a hint of bitterness in your post.
jfern
(5,204 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)"Vote for me or Fuck You!"
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)If Kasich grinds out a nomination he will win. If Trump, who knows? Clinton is no shoo-in. If she does win, what have we won? More of the same. Thank you very much.
ecstatic
(32,798 posts)When Weaver and others sit down and demonstrate an ounce of class, perhaps then the healing can begin.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I wouldn't take it too seriously, particularly a few noisemakers deliberately trying to stir up shit or axe grind.
Most of the HRC people have better stuff to do.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)RandySF
(59,809 posts)Including "whore"? And now want to be soothed and coddled after losing? Hell no.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)All the shit they toss, and now we're the mean ones.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The hypocrisy...it BERNS!
Eko
(7,423 posts)to come together. I don't see you posting anything about telling the Sanders supporters to tone down. From where I sit it looks exactly like the opposite of that.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I never reached out to a Bernie supporter and never will..
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)candidate trump appreciates your help!
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)Is that we were following a GWB presidency. It was a dark 8 years of war and economic collapse. I was so depressed after the 2004 election. Almost any Democratic nominee was going to look like a better alternative. And, Pres O did offer hope and change. He was an incredible, exciting candidate.
Now, if we are faced with Hillary v Trump following Pres O, we are looking at a rightward shift. It is just a matter of degree. It's hard to get excited about that.
I will walk up to the electronic voting machine on election day and push the button beside her name. I'm not excited or optimistic tho. I'm sad that our choices have been winnowed down to this.
Logical
(22,457 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Heck, I was here barely a week and I got alert stalked, only to find out just how many others have had this happen. So basically, Bernie supporters are so determined to silence all opposition that they'll resort to manipulating the flaws in the jury system to do it. I'm sure most of the busters are going to come around. By the time we're into the general, they'll have time to see just how scary Trump is next to our candidate ... who is Hillary by the way.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... and being told repeatedly, "I will never vote for Hillary," there's a lot of healing that needs to happen.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I need to understand how you can accept less than honest answers from your candidate. How you justify her actions as SOS. Why you don't care that she embellishes things, even when unnecessary? How the money coming into the Clinton Foundation coincides with work she was doing as SOS. Give me real answers so that I can understand. That is all I ask for.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)No. I won't play that game. I won't contradict your mischaracterizations, and I won't try to convince you. Your biases are so deeply seeded that nothing can displace them.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Please tell me!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Eleven months of this.
I'm done fighting Sanders supporters.
peace13
(11,076 posts)You throw in the towel because you can't answer and that is very sad! Hold on to your savings and your loved ones because you have signed up for a wild ride with Hill. Her love of invasions is to die for.
I can't believe you couldn't find one thing to defend! That must really scare you.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)You will be awesome! In all seriousness. Pick a couple of things that you feel are bullet proof and share them with people. Like right now, instead of making me look closer at Hill you have slammed the door. This won't help your candidate. My best to you.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Don't count because you're a neocon.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)(this has nothing to do with anything, but I like it)
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I don't always advocate for positions that I know can never be fulfilled. Oh wait, yes I do.
I don't always choose the position in an argument that I know will never be the winning position. Oh wait, yes I do. It's what I do. I advocate for positions that are only those that can't be achieved immediately. And then I complain bitterly that they can't be achieved immediately.
( this is all tongue-in-cheek for those who are at times oblivious)
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)The house was full of our friends and local folks. The young man in charge of the county Dem's was...well young. He had been a Hill supporter. The first words out of his mouth as he started the meeting were, 'How many people here were Hillary supporters? Raise your hand'. The air sucked out of the room. My jaw dropped! I cut him off and said we are all Obama supporters now and ready to get started. I can not imagine a Hill house party opening with any word of Bernie...in fact I can't imagine a house party! People who support Hill are a different breed, I'm not saying bad, but definitely different.
bvf
(6,604 posts)that Clinton wouldn't need the votes of Sanders supporters, should she make it to the GE.
While it's easy to dismiss idiocy like this, it does say a lot about the intellect of some of Clinton's more, uh, enthusiastic supporters.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I have seen zero organization on her part here! It is going to be a lot of work and I can't imagine how they will do it. They have stated that they can do it alone. Good! Love to see it!
bvf
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is obviously counting on votes from Republicans who would not in a million years vote for Trump.
As I've said before, the Republican establishment would be fine with a Clinton presidency. Bet on it.
As to DU, it will be interesting to see when the management deems the primaries at an end. There's already been some whining about the fact that the declaration hasn't been made yet, and those prodigious intellects I referred to earlier are just going to keep screaming ever louder as the convention nears.
I have to wonder about the income side of this here. What will the impact be if Bernie folks walk away?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)And, failing to understand the level of commitment so many Bernie supporters have to "going all the way," they resort to belittling.
-- H.G. Wells
More quotes Bernie opponents* may not get:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511744422
* While there are genuine Hillary supporters out there whose posts are driven by the positive feelings or actions Hillary has inspired in them, the ones that are out in force today are first and foremost expressing contempt for Bernie. They aren't "Hillary supporters" they are "Bernie opponents."
djean111
(14,255 posts)Why the fuck would I vote for war and fracking and the TPP and Wall Street and Third Way slashing of Social Security?
I am a Democrat. If there is no nominee with Democratic VALUES, then I cannot vote for that particular office. Easy decision.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Truth is, you guys can sure dish it out, but now that reality is setting in you don't want to reap what you sow.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan in particular Mrs. Reagan we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."
I still can't believe any Democrat could think that way much less speak that way to cameras. I still can't believe her supporters were all perfectly fine with that ignorant, bigoted and entirely false statement. On DU they all defended it, excused it and then pretended it did not happen.
I was born into a Democratic family. Today I do not feel welcome by the Hillary Branch, the DOMA branch of this Party, not after you all proudly stood with Ron and Nancy.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I'm right there with ya ...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)sure, bro...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The outreach is miserable and ineffective by many supporters of both candidates.
Bias can often prevent a lazy mind from realizing as much, and compel us to attribute a most inaccurate raison d'etre (e.g., it's my turn) to better validate those biases as well.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)FEEL THE BERN!!
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Response to NightWatcher (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
QC
(26,371 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)Riiight.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the isle, GOP voters are handily ushering in THEIR non-establishment candidate.
And Democrats? They just trash theirs, sneer at him, refuse to vote for him, and continue to embrace the increasingly 99%-UNfriendly corprat and money-driven status quo - the Oligarchy Candidate.
America can't HANDLE a Democracy. They don't have one. And they apparently don't want one.
VERY interesting.
840high
(17,196 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Too bad "Vote for me or fuck you" doesn't fit nicely on a bumper sticker.
lol! l laughed all the way through your post, and i needed it after the past two sucky days in bernieland.
very well done
moriah
(8,311 posts)Despite the nastiness of Obama's other supporters, but because I knew that was what was best for the country.