2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton v. Sanders is the most important class conversation in a century and it must continue.
The DNC and Debbie W-S can handle Trump and begin laying the groundwork for the GE. The money and the personnel are there to at least begin attacking him, so let's allow this conversation to continue. The tension between the left and center of the dem party has been costing us for a long time. I want to hear the arguments from all sides; I personally want to see how this conversation resolves.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If the trend towards triangulation continues, the resulting center-right Democratic Party may or may not be a viable entity going forward, but it will inevitably result in the formation of a genuinely viable left-wing party. There are millions of people completely fed up with the Democratic Party's long shift rightwards.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I think the 3rd away folks share far more political DNA with the GOP than with progressives. Kind of difficult to make headway towards economic justice and equality when a powerful faction wants to ensure the status quo is maintained at all costs.
On the bright side, regardless of how this turns out, the GOP is stuck with Trump, who isn't guaranteed to lose, but is certainly less formidable than if the GOP had nominated someone like Kasich or Rubio, who at least don't come off as batshit crazy or racist. So if we're going to decide if we're progressive or 3rd Way, now would be the time.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Bernie brought life back to the Dem party but they'll jump ship if Hillary is the nominee.
I've been a dedicated Dem my entire adult life and I'm about to go elsewhere myself. If
there's no room in the Dem party for Bernie then there's none for me either!
JudyM
(29,294 posts)KPN
(15,679 posts)The global warming and income inequality trends are nearing breaking points. It really won't matter 20 years from now whether its Hillary or Trump who gets elected this fall. But it might with Bernie!
Go Bernie!
It's Bernie or Bust -- because we're going to Bust anyway!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)even in the (increasingly unlikely) event that Clinton pries the nomination from the jaw of embarrassing defeats in the remaining states?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)KPN
(15,679 posts)Given the current trajectories of global warming and income inequality, it really won't matter 20 years from now whether its Hillary or Trump who gets elected this fall. But it just might if it's Bernie!
Go Bernie!
It's Bernie or Bust -- because we're going to Bust anyway!
davidlynch
(644 posts)Hillary supporters take note. This is about much more than the horse race. Even if you support Hillary, can't you step back just a moment and see how important and helpful Bernie's run has been (and will be) going forward, for issues like climate change, income inequality and money in politics?
To those Hillary supporters in this forum that are so tone-deaf and bankrupt that they just post mean-spirited one-liners about Bernie, don't you live in the same world as we do?
Are you so sure that Hillary is going to address these problems head on? I think this is key. I think that there is very little evidence that Hillary will do anything but maintain the status quo.
And it does me no good to be able to say "I told you so" when the earth is heating +3.5C by 2100.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)On a different subject, I have cracked the code of your best film, Mulholland Drive, and it is in my upcoming master's thesis regarding cinematic depictions of memory.
davidlynch
(644 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)a recording!
i had fun analyzing it as a deranged autobiographical memory-dream.
CrispyQ
(36,567 posts)K&R
RadiationTherapy
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Uncle Joe
(58,562 posts)Thanks for the thread, RadiationTherapy.