2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary had 18 million votes in 2008, yet she knew to step aside. The Bernie voters
Always want to discount the Hillary voters. She currently has 13 million voters that Bernie fans want to easily discount. They have just as much right to the process as Bernie fans.
Obama had a much steeper road to climb and he was also up against the Clinton machine, yet he was able to organize the ground game. Passions run high, but we are on the same side.
obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)As was her campaigning for Obama for the GE.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)The era of Clintonian turd way politics will come to a close when Millennials take back this country from the corporatists.
BumRushDaShow
(130,043 posts)Only if they get off their damn phones and pay attention to their surroundings. Interaction and engagement is more than punching virtual keyboards while walking in the street on a red light about to be hit by a car, missing elevator floors, or banging into people in a hallway because God-forbid, they look up to see where they are going.
mindem
(1,580 posts)"Get off my lawn you goddamned kids"
BumRushDaShow
(130,043 posts)and my post has nothing to do with any "get off my lawn" bullshit. There is a certain amount of focus that is needed to go along with the newer forms of communication, and the balance between the two needs to start happening. The world may seem to operate in soundbites but life does not.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)They got off their phones long enough to attend Sanders' "massive" rallies and I'm assuming those kids also voted because they wanted the freebees Sanders was promising them. Maybe Bernie lost because there are simply weren't enough socialists and radical left zealots in the country.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Historical revisionism isn't helping your case. Clinton didn't suspend her campaign until days after the final votes were cast.
She was outright defeated.
Her own actions make any call for Sanders to suspend his campaign hypocritical.
Obama didn't need to go up to his ears in election fraud to win, either.
Pisces
(5,604 posts)Understand them before they tried to vote. The rules are easier than they were for Obama, the people to blame are the campaign managers for not organizing in each state according to the rules well in advance. The truth is that Bernie never thought he would get this far and they did not prepare properly. The fact that people in AZ and NY did not know the rules about voting in the primary is a campaign problem. The rules were not changed 1 day before voting. Bernie fans need to hold up the mirror and blame the right people.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)And then he'll campaign for her. And the great majority of his voters will go over to Hillary in November. This is primary nastiness on the Internet. In real life far fewer shits are given.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She does not have enough delegates. Thanks for playing.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Renaissance Man
(669 posts)Actually, we are not on the same side.
This entire primary season, every supporter of Senator Sanders has repeatedly brought attention to the differences that are clear and evident between Senator Sanders and the right wing, hawkish, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, anti-poor, anti-middle class, anti-labor, pro-student loan debt, pro-corporation, anti-consistent policy positions characteristics of Hillary Clinton.
This entire primary season, we've asked for a focus on the issues and how much the party has marched to the right, only to be met with divisive "winning," and "the math," and red-baiting.
If it's one thing this primary season has taught us, is that no, we are not on the same side.
Pisces
(5,604 posts)Utopian plans. What many of us know that wanting these things, paying for these things and getting them through Congress are a whole different matter. What these changes call for is an entire change to the system which would mean down ballot candidates that shared Bernie's view. We don't have these people to put in place in the Congress. We will not have a filibuster majority of
Bernie minded Senators. Bernie, were he to become President would be disappointing millions of people when he couldn't bring about the change he is promising. We don't vote in Kings or Dictators. Bernie can't make these changes on his own.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)You failed to answer the substance of my post. Saying "we are on the same side" when the evidence points to the contrary, particularly at the person that is assumed to be the standard bearer of the party, shows that we are not on the same side.
Pisces
(5,604 posts)Any of Bernies promises because he will not have a Congress that is like minded. THere are no down ballot candidates that will be voted in that support his agenda. How will he get these things done without a Congress to write and pass the laws??????
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Unacceptable! Those things are NOT "Utopian" by any means, and if she can't even have such goals, then she is against us.
We are not drive ups, we realize that she faces the same Congress, so she will get nothing done anyway. The difference is, that is her INTENTION. And the difference is, Bernie could actually have coat tails to change the face of Congress, this time and after the next mid-terms. But we will lose that chance simply to satisfy HRC's vanity and ambition.
That "practicality" spiel is another bullshit argument, as all of hers are.
And don't even act like HRC or her supporters CARE about us being "disappointed" if Bernie were elected and didn't get all of his programs passed. That is just laughable. HRC's talking points really reek.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)You do not have the political will for a truly progressive form of leadership and policies.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Obama and Clinton were basically the same, which is why I didn't vote in the primary, care who won or vote for the winner.
Bernie, actually represents the change we NEED in this country.
mac56
(17,575 posts)Projection: it's not just for movie theaters anymore.
mythology
(9,527 posts)claiming that Sanders has the people behind him ignoring that Clinton has more pledged delegates representing that she's gotten more votes?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Hillary dropped out well after the last vote was cast.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)She "gracefully bowed" out after Obama clinched it as you have now been informed.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)But these people will be voting in November.
Now, who do you suppose Independents largely favor, Hillary or Bernie?
Hint: Consider Hillary's unfavorable rating, a rating derived not simply by asking Democrats only, but by asking ALL VOTERS. Her disapproval rating is 56%!!
There's a reason why polls consistently show Bernie matching up better against Trump. Think about it!!
Hillary: not only is she a Kissinger-crony Corporate Democrat, but she's also a most risky proposition.
Pisces
(5,604 posts)In a closed primary. Why is this news to you? Are you a first time voter?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Now, do you want a candidate appealing to these millions upon millions of voters, or DO YOU INSTEAD WANT ONE WHO TURNS THEM OFF??
Think it over. Think it over deeply.
Hillary should withdraw, and withdraw now. Far too much is at stake.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Registered as other party affiliation.
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Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)L
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Oh I get it, the poster is crying " save me magic talisman from people who make me angry with their words"
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)=
Jumped
onecaliberal
(33,012 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)So, about getting facts straight...
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'll repeat that: In 2008 Hillary Clinton did NOT exit the race until after the very last of the primaries and caucuses.
Personally, I live in a state that doesn't vote until next month. Although we have excellent early voting in my state, and I will be voting early. But please stop demanding Bernie Sanders do something that Hillary Clinton did not. Otherwise, you might want to review the definition of the word "hypocrisy".
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)There were plenty of people calling for her to end her campaign 8 years ago and she stayed in.
I want to cast a meaningful vote next month.
If Bernie does withdraw before I can vote for him, I absolutely will not be voting for Hillary.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)last of the primaries in 2008, then these calls for Bernie to bow out would make more sense.
So my vote for Bernie will be symbolic. It is very important to me that I vote for him.
So be prepared to watch Bernie's popularity continue to grow, while hers continues to fall.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)She has faked every angle of this Primary, which is well documented.
What the Dem party forgets, and I say this as a very long term (11 Presidential elections, and mid-terms in between) Dem party straight-ticket voter, is that their treatment of Sanders is the same as treating his voters the same way.
Many here seem to block out the fact that a lot of Sanders' voters are DEMS! We are Dems just as much as you, and in many cases longer, and we don't appreciate the bullshit treatment of us and our candidate.
Silly me, I naively expected a fair Primary: two Dems running, giving each of them an equal shot. What an eye-opener this has been, and what we saw wasn't a bit pretty.
Well all bets are off! I am no longer a straight-ticket Dem voter. And that's ENTIRELY due to the crap behavior of HRC, the party, and her surrogates, pundits, and supporters.
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Pisces
(5,604 posts)Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)stayed in past the last primary.
Read till understood.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)beardown
(363 posts)Maybe if she could have been paid for speaking at more Hillary rallies she would have stayed in the race longer.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)But didn't because you know- Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June 1968 so she stayed in back in 2008, just in case.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)We still have about 3 weeks until the last primary.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Don't complain until at least June 6th...
JustinL
(722 posts)In 2008, the last contests were on June 3rd. This year, it's June 14th. June 6th is the day before CA, NJ, etc.
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)How quickly you forget that, in 2008, she reminded voters that her husband didn't clinch the 1992 nomination until California. She went on to say that she felt it was good for the party to remain until the end. Why the double standard? Sanders has a narrow path to victory (by his own admission) but a path nonetheless.
The only reason you want to focus on Sanders' withdrawal at this juncture is the fact that HRC has historically high unfavorables and Sanders polls much better against Trump.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)scheme to make affordable healthcare impossible by means of lock in with sneaky t-deals. had I known that in 2008 I likely would have voted for a third party candidate.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)He'd be a fool to drop out.
He's taking it all the way, that's his prerogative, and that's that.
Quixote1818
(29,025 posts)MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Lets see what Bernie does mid June.
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Yeah, she stepped aside days after the convention, when it was even clearer to her then than the situation is now that she had lost. Obama, if I remember correctly, wasn't under FBI investigation at the time either. She did, in that time, apparently guarantee her gig at the State Department, so good for her. She didn't demand anything policy wise because she doesn't care enough about actual issues. I'm with her!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)She didn't step aside. damn what lying fools. She stayed in until the very last primary and then four days afterwards. She put her name on the ballot in Michigan when other candidates (Edwards and Obama) didn't. No wonder people think you guys are full of shit, it's because you're full of shit. Revisionist history at it's best.