Why is the Fake Kenyan Birth Certificate Viral on FB and Free Republic?

[K Gardner]

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Don't these freaking morons know BOTH the 2008 and 2009 versions were thoroughly debunked three years ago?

Or is there a brand new generation of Birther Racist Morons that have hatched from a pod somewhere?

Look at the comments under this picture, which has had nearly four dozen "shares"

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=2815292417514&set=a.1071736829714.2011302.1114931070&type=1&theater

"OmGz! Why aren't the news outlets on this?!"

"Everyone should post this on their Pages..and get it out there! Seriously...we have his foot print now!

"I don't think this could possibly be real,,aren't they just "born in the jungle" over there???"

"ok, I not only hit share J.d. but I put the you tube video of them breaking the other one down on the computer. the poop is going to hit the fan on my page lmao"

"Well wherever he came from, he is definitely not born in the US. And I was just informed yesterday that his wife was to be disbarred?"

"the majoe news outlets are too liberal and most are NOT allowed to report this..."

"To even slightly think the kenyan muslim is doing a good job, is what's "stupid" And it was the "stupid" vote that got him elected in the first place. And it's "stupid" people who automatically jump to the "racism" arguement the minute anyone comes out against him. If hating muslims or muslim apologist and supporters is racist, then I am so, PROUDLY!!! Regardless of where he was born, he is still the worst president we have ever had,,, including Jimmy Carter!!"



Here is the thread on Free Republic where they are salivating over the 3-year-old certificate:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2857914/posts

"That is not the footprint of a human infant."

"I read an eye opening article on of all places, Pravda (it was linked on Drudge) that pointed to the reason why Hawaii is so key, and made me think the whole Kenya thing is a red herring. I think he was born in WA state, which would still make him ineligible for office."

"Perhaps this will make the political elite a little more careful in vetting future presidential candidates."

"Furthermore, that Obama was born in Hawaii does not make him a citizen. Obama is, arguably, not eligible for the Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen to parents who were citizens. More importantly, he is acting with hostility to U.S. interests domestically and abroad. But about half the American public still likes him, and will vote for the next socialist who comes along even if they toss him out for Romney this time around."



And here is the thorough debunking that took place in Feb of 2009:

http://www.calldrmatt.com/Myth_Busting_106-Barack_Obama_Birth_Kenya_Hawaii.htm#New_and_Improved

I'm hitting every FB post I can find with links to the debunking. I know this seems laughable to us right now, but we seriously can't let this crap go unanswered again. Agree? Or is it a waste of time?

[toddwv]

1. We're talking about people who refuse to accept verified state-issued documents.

Trust me, it is an obsessive hate that fuels the birther movement coupled with a good dose of ignorance and a very healthy racist foundation.

They will not accept state-issued and verified documents but are perfectly happy to accept any sketchy unsubstantiated piece of paper of alleged foreign origin.

[Tomay]

2. These people are idiots

Efforts to show that these Birthers the error of their ways are admirable and necessary, simply to prevent the Birthers from spreading their conspiracy theory unhindered by facts; there are always a certain number of people who will listen to reason. But as far as convincing the Birthers that they are being misled, it's a mostly hopeless endeavor. The Birthers "want to believe", as Fox Mulder used to say on X-Files. Attempts to show them that they are wrong will generally be taken as part of the huge global conspiracy to foist the sinister Marxist Muslim Kenyan One-Worlder Obama upon the good, Christian, godfearin' folks of the U.S.A.

[K Gardner]

7. That's funny you mentioned X-Files ...I got so bored last

night I watched a rerun of the movie on Showtime or something; thought about this when they were showing the scene explaining the world-wide conspiracy to dismantle the population and about FEMA camps

Then woke up and saw this crap this morning.

[wandy]

3. All I can say is "a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest".

I have a friend that's into that stuff. Having had need of a birth certificate I have the 'honest to state of Pennsylvania' copy of mine.
I scanned it in.
I showed him the (ha ha) layers.
His opinion. Mines real. Obama's fake.
Must be fun being a teabagger. You just believe what you're told to believe.

[Booby]

30. They still think the sun orbits the earth

[Richardo]

4. 'John Kwame Odongo' apparently signed it on July 8th - almost a month before the birth...

The other signature is either May 8th or August 8th - I can't tell whether the middle number is 5 or 8.


Dates outside the US are typically written dd-mm-yyyy. Hence his mother's birthdate would have been written 29/11/1942.

Morons.

[mackattack]

24. Dates outside the US are typically written dd-mm-yyyy. Hence his mother's birthdate would have been

Bingo

[kestrel91316]

5. These people are worse than flat-earthers. They are completely

blinded by their racism and xenophobia.

NOTHING will change their minds.

[Thinkingabout]

6. This certificate proves where Obama's mother residence when this certificate was issued

It lists the mother's residence as Hawaii and her place of birth as Kansas. This should be proof of his citizenship. They now need to get over it. Even if citizens of the US has a child in some where else than a US Territory, they go to the US embassy to obtain a birth certificate. Either the birthers want to remain incompetent and unknowing of the laws of the US or they are LIARS.

[K Gardner]

8. Exactly... n/t

[Jim Lane]

26. What you say is correct today but was not correct in 1961, which is what counts.

The obvious interpretation of "natural born citizen" is that the person was a U.S. citizen immediately, at birth, without having to go through subsequent naturalization or any other legal procedure.

Under the Fourteenth Amendment, anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen, regardless of parentage, unless his or her parents were foreign diplomats enjoying diplomatic immunity. Obama was born in Hawaii and is therefore a natural born citizen.

BUT under the law that was in effect in 1961, a person born in Kenya with only one U.S. citizen parent would not automatically be a citizen. The undisputed facts about Stanley Ann Dunham (specifically, her being only 18 years old) mean that, if she for some reason flew halfway around the world to give birth in third-world colony, then her child would not have been an automatic U.S. citizen. IMO, therefore, such a child would not have ben a natural born citizen.

The birthers are still wackos but let's be careful about our facts, so that they can't seize on minor errors for purposes of distraction.

[Thinkingabout]

38. Read US Code Title 8, Section 1401

This section provides Obama's mother is a citizen of the US. This section does not require both parents be a citizen.

Could it be a fake from Kenya, most likely and by some the same producers who does not have very much knowledge of foreign documents who has lived their whole lives in the USA.

[Thinkingabout]

40. I would like to also add this section specifics

Parent having lived in the US before 5/24/1934 and this would declare his mother a citizen. If the birthers was even a little right the repubs would never allowed Obama to take the office.

[Jim Lane]

48. That section was worded differently in 1961, when Obama was born.

I agree that the purported Kenyan birth certificate is a fake, and a not particularly good one at that.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

9. I know this is a fake - does not have the MUSLIM seal!!

[DFW]

10. The most obvious way to tell this is a fake:

In England (and colonies), they put the DAY first and the MONTH second.

Therefore two consecutive days (e.g. Aug. 7 and Aug. 8 down at the bottom) would have been 7-8 and then 8-8.

Putting the month first is how it's done in the USA. All Europe puts the day first, including the UK.
This doc is an American teabagger fake. Well, OK, "teabagger fake" is a little redundant, but you
get the idea. It was made up by American jerkoffs who didn't bother to do their homework.

[MiniMe]

11. Do they use inches to measure the length other than in the US?

This comment on the facebook link got me: Even if he had been born on US soil he does not meet the eligibilty criteria of 2 natural born parents cited in an 1800's court case.

What court case??

[K Gardner]

13. I know, LOL.. I saw that. No idea what court case they're talking about..

and no, they don't use "inches" in kenya. There is no logic, even without digging very far into it.

I don't know who the JD Cash guy is either, who got this garbage circulating again.

[creeksneakers2]

31. The case is Minor v. Happersett (1874)

In the case, the court said it was not necessary to decide the meaning of "natural born citizen" to be able to decide the case. The birthers take a quote from the case out of context, then twist it.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/minor-v-happersett-88-u-s-162-1874/

[K Gardner]

33. Excellent find.. thank you ! n/t

[DFW]

27. I don't know about the commonwealth countries

But the UK still uses English measures as we do.

US citizenship is obtained by having one U.S. citizen as a parent. Both my daughters were born
in Germany and my wife is German. After they were born, I went to the US embassy and presented
the necessary docs and my passport. Within an hour, both times, I got their American birth certificates,
with the clear phrase, "birth of an American citizen abroad." There is no requirement for both parents
to be American. One is enough. Besides, Obama not only has one American parent, but was born on
American soil, which is enough to be an American citizen from birth even if both parents are not.
The revival of the birther BS is only one more bit of proof how desperate the Republicans see their
situation. They wouldn't be dredging up this tired old routine again if they had something better.

[Thinkingabout]

41. Thank you for an excellent post, I know it is hard for the birthers to understand

[progressoid]

12. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[K Gardner]

14. Me either. Problem is, its only going to get worse. The upside to that

is that they got NOTHING but the same birther conspiracy Manchurian crap they spewed out last time.

It's old and very pathetic-looking.

[babylonsister]

17. I wonder how these whackadoodles justify this little fact:

if there was a shadow of a doubt as to where the President was born, doesn't it occur to any of them that every last rethug candidate would be all over it like flies on poop? The fact that they're not escapes these clowns?

[arcane1]

22. "They're not real republicans, they're CINOs"

[davidpdx]

46. No, they are HINOs

Humans in name only. Ok that doesn't make much sense...

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. A friend of mine who worked for a US congressman told me

several years ago when this birth certificate crap first came up, that ALL candidates for Congress, both House and Senate, are investigated by the FBI as soon as they declare their candidacy. So if there was any particle of truth in this fake birth certificate claim, it would have been uncovered then. In 2004.

So every time this birth certificate story comes up, I just chuckle. It'e just a ridiculous diversion and there's a good reason most Republicans who have ever been elected to Congress have never hopped on the birther bandwagon.

[babylonsister]

45. Thank you. I have no doubt they are all vetted thoroughly.

I'm amazed these creeps cling to the notion that somehow the FBI missed something as big as this? Ugh; the stoopid burns.

[onenote]

15. My guess is that its because Santorum announced that online porn is bad

and the birthers now have a lot of free time on their hands (pun sort of intended).

[K Gardner]

16. ROFL! n/t

[Beaverhausen]

18. ooh- you can reply on that facebook page without having to friend that guy, who is Newt supporter

[K Gardner]

19. I know! I was very excited to be able to REPLY - although it looks like he is

systematically going through and "Deleting Subscribers" who post against the diary. It's only a matter of time before my comment bites the dust

Maybe Newt will take JD to the Moon Colony with him.

[Beaverhausen]

20. on his wall I'm having a discussion with him about voter fraud. I'm just asking him to prove...

...his allegations. He responded with ACORN. ha ha

[K Gardner]

21. Oh no.. I have to go look. They seriously have NOTHING..

and its killing them.

[K Gardner]

23. Oh NO!! I've been blocked from JD's FB page...

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he must not have like the facts I posted.

[jillan]

25. Please REPORT this pic on Facebook. I did it with the reason being hate speech.

[K Gardner]

28. His whole PAGE is hate speech. Not unlike some of my

FB "friends" whom I've recently blocked. I think the comments - at least what I remember of them - were more h ate speech than the picture. You'll have to let me know if this does any good.

I'm dead to JD now...

[Odin2005]

29. It's not about the facts, Birtherism is code language for "He's a n***er"

That's why Birtherism is most common in the South.

[csziggy]

32. My husband just said he saw these on one of the tabloids at the grocery store

So that must be what brought them back from the dead.

[K Gardner]

34. After three years its on a tabloid?!! Wow..

that's some kind of desperate.

[csziggy]

35. So how is that more or less legitimate than this birth certificate?

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

[grantcart]

39. lol

[K Gardner]

42. Oh good.. now we can ALL have a Kenyan birth certificate to post

on Facebook!! I love it

[IndyJones]

37. At some point you have to step back and just laugh. They are worried about that birth certificate

and women's body parts as such important issues. Pathetic, really.

[Tx4obama]

43. Here's An AWESOME link with just about EVERYTHING under sun about Obama BEFORE he became president

and there is info there that debunks all the false BIRTHER crap

Here: http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/friends/#Hawaii

The FOUR pages there pretty much in chronological order just click the link at the bottom right of each page to go to the next page

Warning: If you decide to read everything there on the FOUR pages it could take a couple of hours,
and if you start clicking on any of the embedded hyper-links it could take several days

p.s. That is THE link that we should all try to help make go viral

p.s.s. And there is also a 'Birther Claims Debunked' tab at the top of that page/link too.

[K Gardner]

44. Excellent link..thank you! nt

[pepperbear]

47. Love the guys "act."

When I do my bad lounge singer routine, I usually come up with a name that doesn't sound so much like a cross between the deputy sheriff from "The Dukes of Hazzard" and a drag queen. I'll bet he's "sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined."

[JHB]

49. It's all TRUE (in the same universe where Clinton invited the UN to take over...

...using the Chinese Army).

Why do you think they used black helicopters, eh? Because of the AFRICAN connection!!!!

[hack89]

50. Do what I do - join FR as a birther

and peddle the most outrageous things you can make up. They will believe anything and Jim Rob will tolerate anything as long as it is not overtly racist.

[KamaAina]

51. That's "Rim Job" to you

[musicblind]

52. They don't care. They would rather live a lie than face the truth that a Black man is legitimately

the president of the United States of America.

Sad little people.

So sad.