2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's economic plan advocates redistributing wealth to middle and lower income workers.
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She will argue that the world has changed with globalization, and that these changes must be addressed. And she will criticize Wall Street in particular.
Her plan has been put together in consultation with noted liberal economists such as Alan Blinder. (More on him below.)
So whoever represents our party in the General against the Republicans, there should be a very clear difference in the solutions being presented. No one on the Democratic side will suggest that we can fix the economy by making workers work longer hours!
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-economy-20150711-story.html
After months of running on broad themes backed by little in the way of actual policy proposals, Hillary Rodham Clinton will announce Monday what aides call a far-reaching plan to restructure the economy to move more of the nations wealth to middle- and low-wage earners. In what the campaign bills as a landmark speech at the New School in New York City, Clinton will offer a vision for growth that is notably different than the one her husband, Bill Clinton, pursued when he was in the White House, and that pivots away from some of the policies of President Obama.
The agenda, written with input from some of the countrys most liberal economists, reflects not just Clintons effort to appeal to a Democratic Party that has drifted leftward, but her disenchantment with the centrist economic policies she once favored.
It seeks to address what has become one of the key concerns of voters this election season, which is the failure of the economy to raise middle-class incomes. The problem has consumed policy advisors for both Republicans and Democrats, and strategies for solving it are emerging from many campaigns.
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Clinton will frame the election as taking place in the dawn of a new and troubling economic era, which bears little resemblance to the era Bill Clinton ushered in before the Internet revolution and globalization took hold. She will note how her challenge differs from that of Obama, whose actions were largely aimed at fixing the immediate financial crisis he inherited.
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http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/11/09/69790/index.htm
Among economists who are also political liberals, Alan S. Blinder is one of the brightest and most appealing. A professor at Princeton, Blinder happens to be a great writer. . . .Blinder lays out the principles of economics cleanly, crisply, even wittily. His title reflects the view that economic policy should combine clear thinking and compassion for the poor. In judging economic policy proposals, he advocates two tests: Will the policy increase efficiency (thus raising living standards), and will it redistribute income down the ladder rather than up.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)After all, "liberalism" in economics means something totally different from what it means in politics...
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)He is a long-time liberal like Paul Krugman is a liberal -- in economics and in politics. He believes in redistributing society's income down the ladder. Hillary's getting excellent advice if she's consulting people like Blinder.
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/11/09/69790/index.htm
Among economists who are also political liberals, Alan S. Blinder is one of the brightest and most appealing. A professor at Princeton, Blinder happens to be a great writer. . . .Blinder lays out the principles of economics cleanly, crisply, even wittily. His title reflects the view that economic policy should combine clear thinking and compassion for the poor. In judging economic policy proposals, he advocates two tests: Will the policy increase efficiency (thus raising living standards), and will it redistribute income down the ladder rather than up.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Hey, that's us - down the ladder.
I am guessing that 'trickle down' is being replaced with 'down the ladder'?
Why don't I like this new phrase?
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Why does there have to be another downer stroke? I read he's some great writer, yet little ol' me is flat out wondering why they continue to talk about the trickle down economy some rich bastard came up with?
Spread on those down the ladder? WTF?
What can't they come up with something that isn't so damn degrading?
Well, back to the keyboard, Blinder. Ya got a few weeks to come up with something new, get to work!! Send him the link, k?
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)If you want to pretend there's no difference between being at the bottom of the income graph or being at the top, go ahead. But it makes no sense to me.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I've been getting trickled down on all my life, and it wasn't rain which falls on the rich and poor all the same. Y'know, equally.
Ever been on a real ladder with someone above you? You look up and see their ass. See why this 'down the ladder' mistake makes me feel like it's the same old same old? It sure would be nice to have someone besides Bernie coming up with new and better terminology.
I hope Hillary doesn't pay this excellent writer 'too much'. But surely a Hillary operative will read this and it'll get back to them and they come up with something besides: "Look up, another ass is about to spread down the ladder!" Sorry, all I can think is: "Don't look up!"
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The kids, the stay at home mothers, the elderly, the sick?
Once again, the big shots focus only on those who are on the ladder while ignoring most Americans.
Bernie recognizes everyone equally.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)The Repubs will cry "SOCIALIST! COMMUNIST! TAKER ENABLER!" if it is, so I hope she's ready for that too.
OnlyBernieBurnsBush
(63 posts)Who cares what they think?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They will say it no matter what Bernie or Hillary do. Should Democratic policy be shaped by fear of what the Republicans will say? I don't think so.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)From the Grand Ol' Perverts.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)This is exactly the type of stuff I like to see.
oasis
(49,480 posts)Go Hill
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)cuz if hillary is the nominee, she will not have a prayer unless she can get the most progressive and disenfranchiesed as well as working class voters, many of whom are now supporting bernie.
the nominee will also need indys and disillusioned repubs. a specific plan to address wealth inequality will go a long way to getting them.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that it will sound a lot like what bernie has been saying all along.
just a hunch.....
edited to add it has to be in sharp contrast to what jebbie and the other feudal lords are pushing. gotta get it early in people's minds that their vote will determine their financial future.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the jebs and the others in the "ruling class" have to get it that the party is over
no matter who the d nominee is
over.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Hillary won't revert to corporatist if elected.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)happening during a primary. Campaign promises as we
all know are not to be taken as true intentions, unless
they have roots in past actions.
It is true that grassroots have to insist on certain issues
before leaders react, however just placating the people
with "I have changed my mind" is not necessarily to be taken
at face value.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)The Rethugs are locked in a worldview of the past. The Democrats are not.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)and to declare that the large banks have to be
broken up, to know that she is just trying to
preempt her competitors.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)are willing to spend. Who cares if they win, as long as we stand on our principles?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)opponent can do to suddenly change your mind?!
BTW, propaganda was first used by the
catholic church, and they know what works.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)But, c'mon, this is getting sad now. Free Hillary Clinton! Let Hillary be Hillary! She does have good characteristics and she should run on them.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)The Internet has changed everything, globalization has changed everything, global warming has changed everything, and any responsible politician would have to recognize those changes.
And yet none of the Rethugs seem to. I'm glad the Dems are united in understanding the changes that have occurred and the responses that will be necessary.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)That's a little late for me.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)I hope she'll still be trying to sound like Bernie Sanders.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)of re-cycled Republicans like Lincoln Chaffee.
riversedge
(70,442 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And bring 'em to justice?
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)My. God.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)But brilliant.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Perhaps it's best if you put me on ignore.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Are you mad ate because I shed that philosophy 30 years ago? If I re-adopt it, so I believe the same things our President does, will that make you happy?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)for claiming to follow Reagan's policies.
I'll keep looking.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Pffffffffffffffft.
Total non-starter.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)New material, get some.
Reagan. non-starter.
kath
(10,565 posts)(Even though it went whoooosssshhh right over the heads of many here)
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's interesting to correlate political leanings with ability to catch a joke...
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I'm glad she's including the poor rather than focusing only on the middle class. I agree with the concept of a rising tide lifts all boats but there are specific issues dealing with poverty that need to be put into policy. For years I've had a slightly cynical feeling when the attack on the middle class rhetoric is used. What about poor people? If middle-class have fallen to low income, what the GOP economy has done to poor people is a disaster We are looking at a generation that has been devastated. Don't get me wrong, each party is going after the middle class vote, I get that but once again we need a strong position to address poverty.
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Looking forward to Monday!
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I don't really trust her to fight for them after being elected though. She already said that she will appease the republicans once in the white house.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)will have to work with the Rethugs in order to get any legislation passed. Unless we can somehow manage to get a majority in the gerrymandered House and 60 votes in the Senate.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Sounds awesome!
William769
(55,150 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)The proof is/will be in who she chooses as advisers (although Obama as candidate had some great advisers whom he dumped for corporate and Wall Street shills as soon as he was elected)....so I am not so trusting any more of what a candidate claims when running for office and Hillary's and Bill's track record. Further, her donor list tends to belie her supposed shift to the left.
Yes, I do believe that Hillary has a solid track record when it comes to women's issues, but in other areas the track record is not so bright and shiny.
Bill Clinton is probably the brightest president that we have had in my lifetime. (Could also be Kennedy or Carter, but Clinton is very, very sharp.) While he left a solid economy, the political trade offs that he made have been devastating. Unlike Shrub who is too dumb to be held accountable for the outcomes of his administration, Clinton can not escape accountability.
I would rather not find out after she is elected that Hillary, like Obama, is really just another Third Way "Democrat," beholden to corporate, financial institution, and Wall Street masters.
At least, I am over holding my nose and voting for the least objectionable candidate. Hillary, like Obama, will be a divisive president and this divisiveness will only further, I fear, the goals of the powerful and elite.
kjones
(1,053 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)4139
(1,893 posts)pnwmom
(109,024 posts)quickesst
(6,283 posts)...and Recommended. Plus I picked up a couple more names to add to my PCM List. That would be Pissin' , Moaning ,and Crying or what most call ignore. After all, its just angry blubbering like a baby who has lost their pacifier. Not my kid, so why listen to it.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)and if people really buy what she says they are idiots.
Hillary is for corporations,banks,and wall street.they are where she is getting 100 million for primarys and 1 billion for election in 2016 if people are idiots.
She is corporist not liberal.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)decades of working for and advocating for the middle class. This is a good start. She is coming up with tangibles. With a real workable plan. I hear on MSNBC that this is is one of over a dozen roll outs for actual plans to get the middle class moving forward. She will deliberately piece out these details.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)(insert ironic laughter here)
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)they mean what they say and are not just telling you what you want to hear....
As they say... fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)I"ve seen no evidence Bernie could do any better job leading there --though he makes great speeches. How many bills has he written and gotten passed?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)The writing of most of the bills in Congress are done by the special interests who have paid big $$$$ to do so.
And then when they return to the industry from whence they came they get to really cash in
What a system.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)to make a lot more headway than Obama, for instance?