Sanders no longer links lack of orgasm with cancer, right?

[question everything]

Sorry if already posted and cleared, I just heard about it recently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-revolutionary-roots-were-nurtured-in-60s-vermont.html

[arcane1]

1. Been there, done that n/t

[JaneyVee]

6. Orgasms? Me too.

[arcane1]

41. Yes, that too :)

[Kalidurga]

2. ....

[hrmjustin]

3. He actually said that?

[arcane1]

9. No. He quoted studies from 50 years ago which made those claims

For those too lazy to actually read the article:

Mr. Sanders contributed only sporadically. He interviewed a “labor agitator” and an old-time farmer, and he wrote some articles about health, including one in which he cited studies claiming that cancer could be caused by psychological factors such as unresolved hostility toward one’s mother, a tendency to bury aggression beneath a “facade of pleasantness” and having too few orgasms.

“Sexual adjustment seemed to be very poor in those with cancer of the cervix,” he wrote, quoting a study in a journal called Psychosomatic Medicine

[hrmjustin]

13. Thanks.

[question everything]

16. Just like Todd Akin and others "quoted" a study

that in a "legitimate rape" the woman body "rejects the whole thing" and would not get pregnant.

Why would any man "quote a study" about any part of women sexuality?

[arcane1]

17. Wrong. Akin said a friend told him that. And you are clearly being disingenuous.

Why not, you know, read the link?

[Voice for Peace]

101. agenda?

this isn't a classy way to defend Hillary if that's what you're after

[cui bono]

256. Link to study Akin quoted please...

thanks.

And as to your question... are you kidding me? Ever hear of Masters and Johnson? Geez. Do you really think no man has ever studied human sexuality, including women in that study?

[PatrickforO]

357. Uh, men have orgasms too.

And according to the Medical Daily, frequent (male) orgasms may reduce the risk of prostate cancer. And according to the Telegraph, an orgasm a day can reduce the risk of prostate cancer by up to 20%.

Methinks you're trying to make an issue out of something that isn't there...

[AverageGuy]

361. This statement was made 40 years ago

I support Hillary now, but if this trash continues I will support Bernie

[tazkcmo]

214. I stand with Sen. Sanders on this.

I support a rigorous national program of preventive treatment for cancer by promoting more orgasms. I also believe there will be other unintended but pleasant improvements to our society as a whole.

[beam me up scottie]

226. Hear hear!

for giving this thread all the respect and serious consideration it deserves!

[question everything]

11. The Vermont Freeman

The Vermont Freeman, an alternative, authority-challenging newspaper published for a few years back then, in the 60s.

Mr. Sanders contributed only sporadically. He interviewed a “labor agitator” and an old-time farmer, and he wrote some articles about health, including one in which he cited studies claiming that cancer could be caused by psychological factors such as unresolved hostility toward one’s mother, a tendency to bury aggression beneath a “facade of pleasantness” and having too few orgasms.

From the above link

[hrmjustin]

12. Thanks.

[sabrina 1]

107. I see Hillary's supporters are never going to discuss THEIR candidate on the issues

and we are going to be treated to more of this inane nonsense for quite some time.

No, he didn't say it, but hey, honesty and integrity haven't been a part of our politics in my living memory, until BERNIE CAME ALONG.

I'm kicking this so people can see the quality of the Hillary campaign. The Politics of Personal Destruction, AGAIN.

No wonder Bernie has continued to bring out the crowds.

You know, if someone had posted this trashy OP about Hillary, I would not have asked 'did she really say that'? I would have assumed it was being totally distorted.

I wonder why you even asked that question ...

So many of these non issue posts coming from Hillary supporters. Very bad tactics, but hey, it helps my candidate so fine by me ...

[hrmjustin]

108. I asked the question because i did not have the time to read the article.

Is that ok with you?

[artislife]

110. What a cop out.

This is not acceptable. You sure had time to read the replies and post yourself. I would suggest learning the phrase "due diligence" you might learn to discern better.

[beam me up scottie]

111. Well said!

Welcome to DU, artislife!

[hrmjustin]

112. Are you for real? Not acceptable?

[artislife]

113. I'm for real. You certainly don't seem to be.

[hrmjustin]

114. This is just too funny.

How dare i ask the op to clarify.

[artislife]

115. Especially when you don't read it. I don't know...how do you?

[hrmjustin]

116. What is your problem with me? I was in the middle of making dinner so i asked if it was really true.

Two responded with the appropriate passages and i thanked them.

[artislife]

117. Said so innocently and moving the tendril of hair to the side

Oh....I was busy...I was concerned ...I wondered...could this be true? I just don't have time....please help me to understand


in a breathy voice.

[hrmjustin]

118. I am done! I can't do this anymore. I am done!

[beam me up scottie]

119. Oh come on, you mock Sanders supporters in your group all the time, justin.

Now it's suddenly too much when someone returns the favour?

[artislife]

121. TY Beam me up nt

[beam me up scottie]

122. You would think a Hillary supporter would know better.

Do they want others to believe all the hit pieces that are published about their candidate?

And the fact that the op didn't post any evidence for their claim was a dead giveaway.

I expect better from liberals.


Trekkies for Bernie!

[artislife]

125. Sometimes I feel like I am facing KAAAAHHHHHNNNNN

[beam me up scottie]

127. I got my user name from a bumpersticker:

Beam me up, Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here.

I think the creator had threads like this in mind when they came up with it.

[beam me up scottie]

192. I see you're being called names now, just ignore them artislife.

They're trying to bait you into getting your post hidden, it's a common tactic.

Take the high road, they'll never be able to follow you there.

[arcane1]

173. Trekkies for Bernie indeed!

[Puglover]

167. God no kidding.

[AlbertCat]

415. Now it's suddenly too much when someone returns the favour?

Well, when one cannot block someone and then giggle with glee about it for post after post...what's the point of hanging around?

[beam me up scottie]

434. Exactly.

What good is being a host if you can't gloat and celebrate after banning your 100th poster?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

439. There's mockery and there's mockery and homophobic mockery is on a totally different level.

eom

[Little Star]

140. That person is a bigot....

I hope MIRT gets him. Allow us to fight this one for you please.

[Scootaloo]

207. How are they a bigot? Please enlighten me, if you may

[beam me up scottie]

225. Bigot: Not a supporter of Hillary.

Can get you banned in certain DU groups.

[Little Star]

227. Gimme a break...

If you can't see it for yourself when it is as plain a the nose on your face then I can't help you.

[kath]

342. How the heck was that poster supposed to know you're gay? And I, and probably most others read that

Post as implying that you were feigning innocence in a cutesy way when you came into the thread with your "innocent question"-- "Said so innocently and moving the tendril of hair to the side
Oh....I was busy...I was concerned ...I wondered...could this be true? I just don't have time....please help me to understand
in a breathy voice."

Could apply to anyone - male, female, gay, straight, asexual, black, white, pink with purple polka dots...

So any time anyone says anything "mean" to you, they are to be labeled a "bigot" because you're gay??

[hrmjustin]

343. Seriously? I have two gay icons kath.

[AtheistCrusader]

345. A host should know how Du is displayed in various browsers.

You have NO icons in several mainstream browsers so that's a very unfair assumption you just made.

[hrmjustin]

347. I use chrome and it appears.

[AtheistCrusader]

349. Try safari on an iPhone.

Because you have a star for me, and that's all.

[hrmjustin]

351. I did not know that. Learn something new every day.

[AtheistCrusader]

354. Do you think maybe you should apologize to that poster?

You never tempered your outrage in the national cathedral/gender segregation thread when I proved it receives public money and cannot discriminate. I suspect you won't here, either.

Because you've already decided something. Discussion is already over for you, isn't it?

[hrmjustin]

356. No. I found it offensive.

[AtheistCrusader]

358. Which could be ENTIRELY unfair to that poster.

This is why I object to you as a host. Zero impartiality. You take it all personally, every time.

That doesn't end well in the world of Internet forum moderation.

[hrmjustin]

360. It wa meant to be personal. Can you stop obsessing over me and think of how i feel for once.

Do you think any attack on me is ok?

Look leave me the hell alone!

I am getting sick and tired of your treating me like i am a piece of garbage.

[AtheistCrusader]

363. If I thought you were a piece of garbage, I'd be saying something very different to you.

I've never been shy about that. Must I remind you again, I've always told you the truth.

[hrmjustin]

365. Leave me alone.

[kath]

382. How the heck do you know s/he meant it to be personal? Mind reader?

As I said, I read it as a spoof of someone - ANYONE - feigning innocence.

[AlbertCat]

416. Can you stop obsessing over me

Justin.... you have made 7,979 post in the last 90 days!

We aren't "obsessing" over you....we can't get way from you! (When did you have time to fix any dinner? How come you can read posts and comment while fixing dinner but not read the article?)


I don't put anyone on "Ignore"...neither do I report anyone or ban anyone. This is just a message board! An e-cocktail party! So let's all have another cocktail! Pink Lady? Sidecar? Between the Sheets?

Lighten up Sonny! Have some fun! Do something naughty!(not on DU) Your god will forgive you.

[kath]

381. Not buying that excuse. I don't know about others, but I pay little attention to icons. They clutter

Up the page and make it so busy visually. I head straight for the text, especially since I am often trying to hurry so I can get back to what I really SHOULD be doing, rather than hanging out on DU

PLUS - lots of people have those icons.

PLUS - that poster was quite new.

[hrmjustin]

247. Wht that posters last comment to me was very telling. I am a gay man and the comment was

disgusting.

[Aerows]

240. Damn.

And I thought you were one of the good ones.

[hrmjustin]

241. I beg your pardon? I didn't know i turned bad.

[Aerows]

243. I love you dearly

but this is just sad.

[hrmjustin]

246. I am going to ask you for the very last time. What are you talking about?.

[Aerows]

249. Dude, this whole thread.

Participating in it.

I thought more highly of you than to take part in such a ridiculous piece of crap pie as this entire thread.

You are above this.

If this is the rabbit hole you want to go down, you will go down it without my assistance.

[hrmjustin]

251. I asked a simple question.

I got attacked. You want to continue it.

Good night.

[Aerows]

252. I gave a simple answer.

Nothing else I can say.

[hrmjustin]

254. Good bye.

[AlbertCat]

417. You are above this.

How is someone who gloats and giggles with glee for post after post for banning someone above this?

[Aerows]

242. Then quit doing it.

You have morals, I know you do.

[hrmjustin]

244. What are you talking about?

[cui bono]

258. Um, being a host that leaves smears of other candidates in their group, that leaves an OP that

is a plan to take an attack on Sanders supporters into real life, editing posts after the other person and yourself have already replied to make the other person look wrong, being a bully host, feigning innocence when asking "did he really say that?", whining about being 'attacked' after all the above.

I know you want HRC to be president but you've really lost it. Your points don't even make sense any more. You actually told me in another thread that the GOP are obstructionists to campaign rhetoric. You should take a long break, for your own health and well being.

[hrmjustin]

260. What attack on sanders supporters in real life?

Link to it please because i don't remember this one.

[cui bono]

280. Here is a link to my response...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=6967

[hrmjustin]

281. Are you for real?

[cui bono]

285. Can you not read?

[hrmjustin]

287. Yes i can and your claim is laughable. Now how am i a bully host?

[cui bono]

290. We don't move on to the next issue until you acknowledge that the OP in the HRC group

was a plan to take the attack on Bernie supporters into real life. It's plain as day in the OP. If you are going to continue to deny facts there is no point in continuing.

Besides, plenty of other people have answered that for you in this thread.

[hrmjustin]

293. As i said laughable.

Get me something real and we can talk.

[cui bono]

296. That is real.

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...

Done with this now. You go ahead and keep your head in the sand. One would think after all the people in here telling you how terrible your group's hosts are and you in particular you would actually feel bad about it and take some time to do a little self-reflecting.

SMH

[hrmjustin]

300. No. My job is to protect hillary supporters from people that come inside our room to bait us.

Thus the long ban list.

You just don't care for me because i banned you.

Get over it.

And we don't need your help or permission to disscus sanders in our room.


Anything else?

[AtheistCrusader]

306. You are a shitty host.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I don't care if this is hidden because it'll stand as a monument anyway.

The day skinner told you hosts could do anything, including flagrantly violate their own SOP, you started treating any sort of dissent or even mild disagreement or the presence of a person you had a grudge against from another group, as a bannable offense.

That's something shitty hosts do.

[hrmjustin]

309. Your obsession with me is noted. Btw i hope no one alerts or hides your delightful post.

[AtheistCrusader]

315. It can stand until the heat death of the universe for all I care.

Or, until you stop treating people like shit when entrusted with host powers.

Do that, and I'll rescind my opinion.

[hrmjustin]

317. When people stop disrupting the room i host in and treat us with respect then they will get mine.

[AtheistCrusader]

320. Shame about your spurious definition of 'disruption' then.

Might want to have that looked at.

[hrmjustin]

325. Go complaint to skinner. I lost interest.

[AtheistCrusader]

328. You lost more than that.

[Cha]

386. You're an awesome host of Hillary's Group, Justin.

[hrmjustin]

388. Thanks. You always cheer me up.

[Cha]

394. Backatcha.. Mahalo Justin~

[pipoman]

377. ...

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are a shitty host.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=446003

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Joining in the pile on here is this particularly nasty post. 

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:15 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It really is the napoleonic hosts of the "protected groups" that make DU auck occasionally...and are the antithesis of democratic principles and liberalism.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Do I really need to explain why this is getting a vote to hide?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What a stupid, nasty post. No wonder they got banned from a group. They should probably be banned from a few more. 

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[1StrongBlackMan]

408. Because the Hosts of the Bernie Group are so tolerant ...

Right?

[AtheistCrusader]

409. Unknown.

If you followed this thread even casually, you should be able to see this is a history well beyond the HC group.

Any host of any group that lets meta and personal attacks stand on DU posters they don't like, and bans people they don't like on sight, probably should be called out for their behavior. If you know some like that in the Bernie group, go for it.

[Puglover]

420. We gave you how many chances?

Finally your lame, "Oh whoops, I thought this was GD" bullshit lost it's credibility.

So yeah we are more tolerant. To a point.

[1StrongBlackMan]

432. I posted to two thread without paying attention to the group in which they were housed ...

until it was brought to my attention. I self-deleted the one post and apologized, when a Group host engaged me, in a similar manner as you have ... I was blocked shortly after posting, "I deleted the post ... what more do you want?"

[cui bono]

311. I could give a flying fuck that you banned me. I knew what I was doing.

But the truth must be told.

However I did lose complete respect for you when you intentionally edited a post of yours - OVER 20 MINUTES AFTER WE HAD BOTH REPLIED TO IT - in order to try and make me look wrong. That was despicable and so completely dishonest.

...

So you agree that you intentionally allow smears on Sanders to be left posted in the HRC room where you know they cannot be debunked? Well good, that's a start.

Now I really am done.

[hrmjustin]

314. That was not intentional. My grammar is poor and i screwed up.

I looked liked the fool that day, not you.

I know you don't take my on my word of honor but on my faith that was not intentional.

[cui bono]

316. No, the mistake was grammar. The editing of it WAY after the fact was intentional.

As I said then, if it weren't you would have said, oops, my bad, I meant to have a comma there. You wouldn't have inserted the comma after the fact without saying anything. And you wouldn't have then deleted the post that showed the edits.

[hrmjustin]

322. Didn't i apologize after i edited it?

[cui bono]

327. Meh... not for editing it. Just for being 'wrong'.

And then you deleted it. You never acknowledged that you had edited after the fact. You said I looked again and saw that I was wrong. You don't need to look again if you are apologizing for editing a post after the fact.

[hrmjustin]

330. Look i never meant to make you look bad. It was a bad error on my part.

I am sorry for that as I apologized that day.

I meant it then and mean it now.

[cui bono]

332. I wish I could believe you were sincere. Before primary season I probably would have,

but I have seen too much now to do so. It's like you are a completely different person.

[hrmjustin]

334. Then I am done addressing this and you.

[cui bono]

338. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Again, after so many people on this OP alone have said what they said, I would be taken aback and stop and think about it. It's real. Something has changed and it's not pretty.

[hrmjustin]

341. Go complain to skinner. I am done apologizing over this edit.

I made a mistake but you want to carry it around like a trophy with fake outrage,

Look in a mirror before you judge me.

[cui bono]

344. I'm not outraged.

[hrmjustin]

346. Then stop carrying it around like a trophy to hammer me with.

You don't believe me but to be frank i doubt you as well.

Now leave me alone. You guys have turned this thread into the hrmjustin 7s a rat bastard thread and i am sick of it.

LEAVE ME ALONE!

[AtheistCrusader]

348. Straw man. I said you are a shitty HOST. That's about what you DO not what you ARE.

You can change what you DO. You can change how you treat people. It's very easy.

Before you became a host hand had to oh so regrettably (insert hand wringing) ban people from IF and PC, you had more fun here, didn't you?

It's brutally simple to change back.

[hrmjustin]

350. This is not a host issue we are discusxing. Try to keep up.

[AtheistCrusader]

352. I'd refer you to the post number but I can't.

The one I replied to with "+1". Have a look. Am I the one not keeping up?

[cui bono]

364. If you weren't going around complaining about everyone else and acting like you are as a host

I wouldn't. But you really have changed since you started supporting HRC and hosting that group.

I mean come on... you didn't even ask someone not to call Bernie a "flaming turd". You replied in that subthread so you knew the post was there. So yes, I doubt your sincerity. With good reason.

You really should go see how the Bernie Sanders group hosts, and members, behave. Anti-Hillary OPs/posts are locked or self-deleted by request. When people make an anti-Bernie comment they are warned that they are in the BSG, not banned immediately. They set a good example. I'm actually being sincere here although under the circumstances I'm sure you won't see it that way. I hope that you can see it though, and take it to heart.

[hrmjustin]

366. Ok.

[AtheistCrusader]

369. He has a habit of that. See the 'vermin' bit in my signature?

That's from a Poster, Starboard Tack, calling atheists from a&da/religion 'vermin'. He let that post stand. Self deleted his post up thread and locked his own thread, but didn't ask ST to self delete.

Banned the shit out of a bunch of us for asking a simple question though.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

433. Sadly, nothing has actually changed

hrmjustin has exhibited this behavior many times in other groups in the past - it's just getting a lot more attention now because of the primary season battles. I gave up on pointing it out ages ago, and it's obvious he's rigidly set in his views, so I don't think there's any way to improve the situation.

[Bobbie Jo]

373. good lord, people

What a ridiculous display.



Seriously, do you people see yourselves?

Get a fucking grip, it's a FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD.

Get off this guy's ass, you look ridiculous with the mob thing going on here.

"Now I'm really done"

Are you going to hold your breath too?

[zappaman]

436. It really is a sight to behold, ain't it?

[Bobbie Jo]

438. Just wow

Yet another proud DU moment.

The old saying rings true...

There's safety in numbers. (and anonymity for that matter)

[Lordquinton]

353. Your job is to enforce the SOP

which you are not doing.

"Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Supporters only." you are focusing on only the last two words, and ignoring that it's not supposed to be a protected place to launch attacks on Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

[hrmjustin]

355. Your opinion.

[Lordquinton]

368. No, it is your job to enforce the SOP

"Their role is to deal with posts which may violate a particular forum or group's Statement of Purpose."

you're not doing that. It's not opinion.

[hrmjustin]

371. Ok.

[Lordquinton]

372. I'm glad you agree you're not doing your job

You're making progress now.

[hrmjustin]

374. I am tired and worn down from this thread.

I have no more in me. Please leave me in peace.

[Lordquinton]

378. Ok, you made some progress

Maybe walk away and reflect on what you learned.

Consider that if you can't handle this kind of stress that maybe you shouldn't be in such a high pressure position.

[AtheistCrusader]

380. Your determination to take it all personally is part of the problem.

Is being a host worth that?

[AlbertCat]

419. Please leave me in peace.

I got banned IMMEDIATELY from the Hillary Group after posting this...my single post there. And I wasn't making fun of Hillary (in fact I never mentioned her)...but of the pearl clutching going on over there about how mean the GOP was being to Hillary. I thought she was "one tough mother".

It was a light hearted joke! But it's like a cult over there! There are enough chips on everyone's shoulders over there to fill a Lays family size bag!


This outrageous thread kinda proves it.

[AtheistCrusader]

301. +1

I have told him all this before for the same reason. 2 totally unrelated groups he hosted. Ran them into the ground and made sure they were echo chambers.

Total lack of impartiality.

[hrmjustin]

271. Still waiting for that link.

[cui bono]

283. Wow! You waited a whole 12 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess patience is yet another item we can cross of your virtue list.

[hrmjustin]

284. No it is not.

[cui bono]

288. Yes, it is.

The evidence has been presented.

[hrmjustin]

305. In your mind but you have failed to prove it.

[cui bono]

312. In your mind but you have failed to read and comprehend the OP I linked my reply to.

You know, maybe I'm not done. Maybe I can play your little game as long as you can. Haven't decided yet. Might just let you keep digging your hole.

[hrmjustin]

318. Ok let me know.

[AtheistCrusader]

291. It's his burgeoning social life. Got shit to do, places to be.

[hrmjustin]

310. Your personal obsession with me is noted and sad.

[AtheistCrusader]

313. Correction. My disapproval of how you treat people when given host powers.

That's not an 'obsession' that's a genuine concern.

[hrmjustin]

321. Seems obsessive.

[AtheistCrusader]

324. And yet we had many productive conversations before you got carte Blanche to ban anyone for anything

Once upon a time you weren't a monster with a magic button to silence any hint of dissent.

I suggest you give it up, stop being a host and try just contributing for a while.

You'll feel better, I promise.

[hrmjustin]

329. So sad! Take care.

[AtheistCrusader]

331. I know your finger itches. You want to click 'Revoke' so bad.

I do feel bad for you. I truly do.
As I said last time, I've always told you the truth. And that right there is pure strain unrefined truth. Do with it what you will. But you can't silence me today.

A jury will have to do it for you.

[hrmjustin]

333. .

[AtheistCrusader]

335. Amusing is it? Let me refresh your memory.

I circled back weeks after denying there was an external group, when I discovered there really was. And I apologized to you. (Not for lying, for being wrong)

Being host brings out something you normally aren't. Give it up. You'll thank me later. You'll be much happier.

It's not like the HC group will go unmoderated in your absence.

[hrmjustin]

336. Your concern for me is oh so touching.

[AtheistCrusader]

337. Less for you.

More for the climate and tone of du.

Dissent and disagreement is fine. Is healthy. If you could discriminate between dissent/disagreement and genuine disruption, you'd be fine.

But all you see is trolls behind every twig and pebble.

It's not good. Not good at all.

[hrmjustin]

339. TTFN!

[AtheistCrusader]

340. For now.

I do, seriously, implore you. Give up host.

It's just going to continue to be a problem and a distraction and make things about you, rather than issues until you do.

But it is not my doing, I merely foretell.

[kath]

379. Self- delete

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[beam me up scottie]

390. Wow. Some people completely lose their minds during the primaries.

That is totally uncalled for and wouldn't be tolerated in the Sanders group.

Damn.

[AtheistCrusader]

261. Not the first time your hosting skills have been... Questioned.

[hrmjustin]

262. I have no problem with criticism of my hosting skills.

[AtheistCrusader]

265. Oh, I think you do.

[hrmjustin]

266. No i don't.

As long as it is given honestly.

[AtheistCrusader]

267. Well, it certainly doesn't show.

[hrmjustin]

268. Well when one is attacked by several people it gets a bit hard to deal with it.

But i am not saying there is not legeit criticism of me and my fellow hosts.

[AtheistCrusader]

270. Well, when you swing a ban hammer at everything that moves

One tends to collect enemies.

Silencing ANY sort of dissent or even a simple question, tends to piss people off.

[hrmjustin]

274. The Hillary Clinton room is for supporters only. Stated very clearly in the SOP.

It is our space away from Hillary hate.

[AtheistCrusader]

276. You know damn well I'm not even talking about the Hc room.

Although, I'm not surprised to see you behaving that way in there. The Hc room doesn't even have the false pretense of welcoming the other side in for discussion, as the other two rooms you host claim in the SOP.

If you could be arsed to at least follow and enforce your own SOP instead of enforcing your personal biases, those other two groups wouldn't be an empty echo chamber.

Your own doing.

[hrmjustin]

277. I only host HRC room now.

[AtheistCrusader]

279. Sweet let me go make some threads for discussion..... Oh right.

You've already banned all the atheists.

Your legacy lives on.

[beam me up scottie]

286. No it's only hard to deal with here where people can defend themselves against your attacks.

You all prefer to retreat to your safe haven where you call Sanders' supporters names and complain about how you're treated.

It's really getting out of hand in there and you're just upset because people are noticing.

[hrmjustin]

289. What did you think of this statement?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=443536

As a gay man i found it insulting.


I will address your point in a second post.

[beam me up scottie]

294. I think they were mocking your faux naivete.

Not everyone knows you're gay, justin, and if I thought for one second they were mocking you for that I would have been all over them.

[hrmjustin]

298. Seriously? I have two gay icons!

[beam me up scottie]

299. Which are also used by straight allies.

And as you noted the person is a newbie.

[hrmjustin]

303. Wow! Good night and good bye!

[artislife]

389. I thought the icons were showing how Hillary is pro-LGBT, like me

I stated above, I have no idea that the poster was a man or woman or gay or bi or transgender or straight or asexual.

I am an ally.

I have voted for marriage equality.

I am invited to weddings that have two people of the same gender at the altar

I don't know how many friends I have who are LGBT because I don't bother to count them up like that. They are just my friends. It's Seattle, we kind of been past the surprise of knowing anyone who is LGBT. It isn't the most interesting side to who they are as people. Everyone is not just the sexuality in my mind.


I have long said we should focus on who we hate first and when we clear that up, we can worry how we love.

[beam me up scottie]

392. You're fine, after reading your other posts here I had no doubt you were an ally.

Sorry you got called a bigot, those posts should have been hidden.

Some people prefer to attack first and ask questions later.

[artislife]

395. Thanks

Being called a bigot was the first time for me. That's why I looked it up and I always thought of it in terms of race but it is broader.

I have learned so many things today.

Sleep well my friend.

[beam me up scottie]

396. You too!

I usually leave here wiser and wishing I had left sooner.

[artislife]

397. *chortle nt

[beam me up scottie]

398. You're an atheist too? Have you checked out our heathen groups?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1230

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1282

We love new folks.

[ms liberty]

405. on my smartphone you have no icons at all...

No sig line; you have a username and star only.

[Puglover]

410. I a gay man and that is EXaCTlY what

they were doing. Same thing, if they were mocking him for being gay EVERYONE would have been all over the including admin.

It's his tiresome schtick that noone is buying anymore.

[Heddi]

428. Hey Pug!!! Great thread here

I've been reading it all day at work. Sumbitch won't even load now :wave: keep up the good work, Love ya!

[Puglover]

429. I should know better and ignore this baloney.

But I am weak. And get hooked in.

Hello Heddi!

[Heddi]

430. Oh, live a little

this is the good stuff...and by posting, I can now revel in not being called to a jury of this trainwreck. I do love it, though. Reminds me of 2008...ah, good times good times

[beam me up scottie]

431. Yep, that got old a long time ago.

Good thing their attempt to get a new poster banned failed.

And they say Sanders' supporters don't play fair...

[hrmjustin]

295. I post in my safe haven because i don't get called third way or dino in there.

I get you guys have criticism but you guys should look in a mirfor as well.

The sanders room has a long ban list as well.

[beam me up scottie]

302. And you know you can attack other DUers in there with impunity.

The Sanders group hosts block members for shit stirring meta too, not simply because they don't support Bernie.

They don't allow their group to be used to post smears about other candidates and coordinate attacks on their supporters.

Maybe you should follow their lead.

[hrmjustin]

304. Name me one person i attacled?

[beam me up scottie]

319. Sanders supporters in general, and you also applaud other attacks/name calling.

A couple of recently hidden posts/threads come to mind but I won't post the links here.

And you welcomed and commiserated with the op after they got their post hidden in this thread for posting vile lies about Sanders.

You called it "criticism" when it was actually an awful smear against a Dem candidate.

Hey, if that's how you want to run your group that's up to you.

But as you can see it does cause problems elsewhere.

[hrmjustin]

323. Take your concern to skinner then.

[beam me up scottie]

359. Didn't I say you could run your group however you want?

It's not up to me to tell you how to run the HC group, I'm just pointing out the fact that you're reaping what you sow out here in GD P.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

And fyi, people aren't piling on you because you're gay or support Hillary, justin.

They're just tired of the back biting and constant whining about persecution in your group.

[hrmjustin]

362. We are tired how Sanders people treat us in GD.

Look in the mirror before you judge us.

Your concern has been noted.

[beam me up scottie]

367. And I'm sure our hosts are tired of how you treat us but they're acting like grown ups.

Not abusing their power to get even with people who post vile spewage about our candidate like the op.

And I'm comparing hosts' behavior and how they run their groups, not supporters'.

[hrmjustin]

370. Ok.

[Little Star]

141. Bigot!

[William769]

144. And the jury has spoken!

[Little Star]

142. Bigot

doesn't cover up the bigotry

[beam me up scottie]

197. ^^^Oh look, another HC host calling Bernie's supporters names^^^

Way to keep it classy, Little Star.

I'm glad the hosts of Bernie's group don't behave the same way, they obviously know it would reflect badly on their candidate.

[William769]

219. She spoke the truth and the jury decided with her.

What she said is not near as offensive as to what she responded to. Just saying.

[beam me up scottie]

221. I'm just glad the hosts of the Sanders group don't behave like that.

Our group rocks.

[hrmjustin]

263. You understand as a gay man i fiound this very offensive?

[artislife]

383. I haven't been back to this thread...but I have no idea of anyone's identity

And I certainly was not making a reference to the poster's sexuality or gender...which I didn't know either. I did wonder why I was called a bigot, so I looked up the definition from the dictionary

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian;

I thought, well maybe I seem intolerant toward those holding different opinions....so I let it go.

I apologize to hrmjustin...I was was just commenting on how what they posted sounded like, not who they are as a person.



As for the rainbows, I turned my profile on Facebook to show the pride flag, I voted for marriage equality in Washington State and I am a progressive. I see those symbols and I think that the people who show them are either LBGT or LBGT friendly...and I don't think about it any further because what you do in the privacy of your own home is not my business. That's the luxury I have because I live in such a progressive area, those symbols are for many.

Wow is this site a mine field.

[hrmjustin]

384. Thank you for clarrifying.

No harm done to me. I am very tired as you can imagine after this long thread.

I am really worn down after this thread and defending myself.

Enjoy the site and no harm done.

[artislife]

391. Thank you for reading this...

I guess we all can sleep a little better.

[AtheistCrusader]

385. High-five, Ref74 buddy.

You didn't do anything wrong. When someone wants to be outraged, they'll find something to get outraged about. It's not a reflection on you.

[artislife]

393. Are we both atheists and from Washington?

Hello!

[AtheistCrusader]

399. We are indeed, welcome!

Sorry this thread was a bit ugly for one of your earlier experiences on DU, its primary season. And it's going to be, for a loooooong time. This is the phase of the election cycle where we eat our own.

Happens every time.

[artislife]

402. I like the O'Malley posters...they are best of us.

[beam me up scottie]

387. Good on you, artislife.

Others didn't take it that way and now justin knows you didn't mean it as a slur.

DU is a scary place for newbies - especially during the primaries, I hope you stick around.

[Bjorn Against]

124. You are not innocent here

You are a host of the Hillary group and you allowed a meta thread in which the author of this OP defends her vile hidden post near the top of this thread. The post had nothing to do with Hillary and was all about defending a vile post suggesting that Bernie was a Republican with his head between women's legs. You came to the defense of the person who made that vile post, but when Scootaloo showed up to link to the actual facts so people could see just how vile the post you were defending was you banned him from the group.

Now I understand that you are a safe haven group and you have the right to ban people who don't support Clinton. The problem is however that you allow people like the OP to violate your group's SOP and make posts that have absolutely nothing to do with supporting Hillary. You are providing a safe haven for people to spread these nasty smears and you ban anyone who challenges those smears.

I used to have a lot of respect for you because I felt that even when I disagreed with you you treated people with kindness. When I see you allowing a safe haven for people to defend this sort of nastiness without challenge despite the fact that it does not even have anything to do with Hillary it makes me lose a lot of respect I once had for you.

[kath]

138. Thank you, Bjorn Against.

This: "you are providing a safe haven for people to spread these nasty smears and you ban anyone who challenges those smears." Yep.

There is so much Meta in the HRC group, and so many threads and posts that have absolutely nothing to do with supporting Hillary. Justin congratulates people in that group for getting 3 hides in one evening for calling other DUers "fucking assholes" and telling them to "eat shit".
Violations of the so-called SOP of that group are rampant.

[dorkzilla]

177. Holy shit, really? Justin???

That totally does NOT sound like “our” Justin. I believe what you’re saying, I’m just mystified that an otherwise, as Bjorn Against said, kind man has changed so dramatically over CANDIDATES. I’ve had very lovely exchanges with him over the years even when we didn’t agree on things (like religion).

I’ve been trying to stay out of the Hillary vs Bernie bullshit because I don’t think we should be doing the GOP’s oppositional research for them. I am a Bernie supporter but I will follow his lead and not say a word against her. I believe we can be better than this.

This is crazy.

[kath]

179. Oh yeah. See the link

In post #175 below.

(And note that one of the posters in that thread, whom William 769 - another HOST in that group, along with Justin - termed "a pillar of the DU community" is now on an enforced DU vacation until late September, so his Transparency page can be viewed.)

[dorkzilla]

182. Oh dear, this is bad

I’m genuinely sad about this. thanks for the eyeopener, kath.

[kath]

228. And now William769 doubles down, defending the

Actions of the Hosts in that group, (both wrt the hide of QuestionEverything's post, and justin's "high five" to an even more offensive poster in the thread that I pointed out) and saying that Justin is a damn fine host.
Wow. Just wow. The mind boggles.

[dorkzilla]

236. I am just so weirded out by this

I dont get Justin's turnabout. He is usually so reasonable. I just looked at the thread with him ranting at Skinner and being felt persecuted. Then I looked at some posts on the primary board and there is just so much ugliness here that I think I'm going to take a break here for a while. Some of the people on the HRC boards are people I consider friends and I dont want the rancor to infect those relationships albeit virtual.

You just know there are GOP opp researchers reading these posts every day. I'm sorry to think this but whomever our candidate ends up being, the things we are getting into arguments over will be used by their side. I don't think a Republican is going to win the general anyway, but I dont want to be part of this ugliness.

[hrmjustin]

237. You know if you have something to say about me you can say it to me personally.

[cui bono]

259. And they all laugh in there about someone calling Sanders

a "flaming turd" and call it "alert stalking" when that is alerted on. Puhlease.

[Violet_Crumble]

143. Plus eleventy billion to everything you said there...

Especially the last paragraph....

I'm gobsmacked that anyone would try to defend that hidden post or claim that it was some sort of unfair hide. It was revolting and people should be better than that...

[William769]

145. Let's set the record straight shall we?

Justin is but one Host out of seven. Do not blame him for what you do not know.

[Bjorn Against]

148. I have seen his posts in the Hillary group

He has actively supported allowing attack pieces that have nothing to do with Hillary in the group. All the hosts who allow this are responsible for allowing this, and hrmjustin has been one of the more vocal ones in defending those who post smears.

[William769]

150. I stand by my original comment.

[Scootaloo]

160. Well, you're factually wrong in doing so

No hard feelings though.

[William769]

162. I can understand how you would feel that way.

[Scootaloo]

200. Yup, since I have the PM about it and everything.

[William769]

203. Good for you!

[Scootaloo]

204. You're welcome

Any time you need your facts checked, you give me a call, okay?

[William769]

205. The only problem is you didn't check any facts.

I sure don't see any.

But have a nice day anyways.

[Scootaloo]

206. Oh, you're right, my bad.

Here's the PM message:

Automated Message: You have been blocked from a group
Mail Message
You have been blocked from posting in the Hillary Clinton group by hrmjustin. If you believe this is an error, you may contact hrmjustin for more information.

not sure why this is an issue for you, but hey. Yeah, hrmjustin blocked me. In the words of Linda Richman, No Big Whup.

[William769]

209. Thanks for pointing out the fact that Justin is damn good at his hosting duties!

It's been fun, but I got to run now.

Take care. Ok?

[Scootaloo]

210. Well, I can't judge that myself. If you say so i suppose.

Like I said, any time you need facts checked.

Yabbaguddun!

[hrmjustin]

213. Thank you Bill! I have my faults but i try my best.

[Violet_Crumble]

153. I just asked Scootaloo, and you were correct n/t

[Rob H.]

180. That *any* of the hosts thought

that blocking a poster, not for attacking Hillary at all but for pointing out that another poster was straight-up lying about something they posted, was a good idea says a lot about all the hosts of that group, none of it good. "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." -- Lt. Gen. David Lindsay Morrison

[kath]

185. Yes, ALL of the hosts share responsibility for what goes on in that group.

And in case you haven't seen it, check out the link in post #175 ( and the transparency page involved)

[Rob H.]

188. What's worse is that poster in question

stands by everything he said.

[beam me up scottie]

193. Yep, they even complained about their hide to skinner in ATA.

Of course they left out the link showing the post that was hidden.

Accidentally, I'm sure.

[kath]

229. Yep, that now-on-vacation poster stands by everything he said, and apparently everyone there in that

Thread, including at least 2 hosts, is also okay with all that.

QuestionEverything stands by what s/he said as well.

Sheesh - when these people get hides, it's all because they are being persecuted, and it really should be okay for them to call other DUers M'Fers and tell them to eat shit, etc. Such victims.

[William769]

186. We love you too.

[BainsBane]

190. I wonder if another candidate's group hosts

Have given any thought to why they feel compelled to ban their own supporters?

[beam me up scottie]

195. The hosts of Bernie's group don't smear other candidates and call their supporters names.

But that's why they so totally rock.

Too bad the HC group hosts don't follow their lead and block meta and shit stirrers from their group.

It would certainly reflect better on their candidate and DU as a whole but I've come to realize that I have unrealistic expectations when it comes to the conduct of some of Hillary's supporters.

[BainsBane]

198. You know, in HOF we get a lot of those same complaints

and you know what? The same situation applies: not your group, not your business. You aren't a member there, and you have nothing to say about the SOP of the group. But yeah, the alerts keep coming because the idea that anywhere in the universe someone might not treat Sanders with uncritical adoration is unacceptable to a few. I really don't see the point. It's not like it makes any bit of difference in the election if 15 people on DU refuse to go along with the crowd, but clearly it upsets some folks greatly.

As for not calling other supporters names, you have to know that isn't true. I myself don't read your group unless someone directs me to a particular post, but even so I have seen plenty of name calling. So don't even play that shit. The difference is some pretend calling people corporatists, Turd Way, sell outs, trolls, Republicans, and pawns of Wall Street actually amount to issues. I suppose for some that is as close to an issue as they will ever get.

I addressed the issue of the surveillance of the HRC group in this OP. http://www.democraticunderground.com/110711972

[beam me up scottie]

199. Bullshit, one of their hosts repeatedly called a Bernie supporter a name in this very thread.

So you can stop with the paranoid persecution theories, skinner has already addressed this: if HC supporters don't want to have their posts deleted then they need to behave better.

What upsets me greatly is vindictive people who constantly vilify people they disagree with, BB - on both sides. Folks like you only see it when the other guys do it.

Hypocrites who complain that they're being targeted while doing the exact same thing to others piss me off.

And btw, I don't bash HC or her supporters, so my conscience is clean.

Obviously that upsets you greatly or you wouldn't personally attack me for calling out bad behaviour when I see it.

Especially in a thread like this, how can anyone possibly defend this kind of swift boat tactic against a Dem candidate?

At least other HC supporters have the integrity to call them out for it.

[BainsBane]

202. LOL

I wouldn't personally attack you? Where did I attack you? WTF?

This swift boat tactic? For YEARS on this site there has been a constant parade of false claims against Clinton. There is currently an OP falsely and completely distorting her comments on Iran. The false claims about her campaign finance circulate constantly. Some even rev up shit on Benghazi. Ben-fucking-Ghazi. No right-wing source or argument goes unturned in hunting up dirt on Hillary. Now Sanders happens to have written a stupid article ages ago. I don't believe it matters, but calling discussion of it swiftboating and pretending there is something unprecedented about it is unreal.

This is not the HRC group so if someone has called a Sanders supporter a name, I'm sure it will be hidden. They always are, even in the group. However, my guess is it is as much of an insult as my post was a personal attack on you. I don't even know you except for a thread or two where you clearly got upset and wouldn't explain why or how, except I realized in retrospect it was because I wasn't sufficiently reverential to Sanders and suggested that citizens actually have a right to ask questions of their candidates. God forbid. You certainly bashed me in that thread, yet you refused to engage with the substance of the thread at all. That is how I know you. As for what you say in the Sanders group, I have no idea. I have the group in the trash. I don't much care what is said there. Not my group, not my business.

Why even come after me about hosting HRC? I'm not a host of anything.

[beam me up scottie]

208. Again, bullshit. I can point to numerous posts in the HC group calling us names.

The hosts not only applaud and encourage it, they complain about the alerts that are sent and the jury results when such posts are hidden.

This swift boat tactic? For YEARS on this site there has been a constant parade of false claims against Clinton.

So it's okay when Hillary's supporters do the same thing?

Again, way to raise the bar for your candidate, BB. I'm glad some HC supporters are choosing to stick to the facts.

Smearing other candidates and their supporters in a protected group doesn't help her.

I don't even know you except for a thread or two where you clearly got upset and wouldn't explain why or how, except I realized in retrospect it was because I wasn't sufficiently reverential to Sanders and suggested that citizens actually have a right to ask questions of their candidates. God forbid. You certainly bashed me in that thread, yet you refused to explain your position. You made it entirely personal.

I applauded a post by Prism calling you out for using your own privilege to ignore the opinion of an AA poster who disagreed with you - that's why you remember me.

I'm one of many many DUers who thought he nailed it because we're tired of the ridiculous hyperbole and accusations from people who look for reasons to be outraged and who choose to use their voice to pit DUers against each other instead of trying to unite them.

But your personal attack on me claiming I took offense because you weren't "sufficiently reverential to Sanders" is both noted and completely expected.

Why even come after me about hosting HRC? I'm not a host of anything.

I'm not "coming after" you for anything, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of HC hosts complaining about the behaviour of others when they engage in much worse in their own group.

And doing so after defending the of swift boating of Bernie Sanders by a person who called him a "Republican" who "sticks his head between a woman's legs".

The irony is not lost on all of us.

[BainsBane]

215. I don't speak for the HRC group

and I don't read everything that goes on in there, so I cannot possibly claim there is no name calling, and I didn't. I addressed your assertion that no name calling goes on in the Sanders groups, clearly a false point.

You wish all articles that don't laud Sanders to be buried. Wish away. It's not going to happen, especially not if you expect him to become a serious contender for the nomination.

You claimed the criticism of Sanders was "unprecedented." I pointed out it is not unprecedented in fact it is overshadowed by a deluge of crap about Clinton. That illustrates your outrage to be entirely selective.

You called me a hypocrite for pointing out those facts. You feel attacked because someone on the internet dares to support a different candidate. Too bad. I don't give a shit. MY DEMOCRATIC CHOICE. You get one vote and one vote only. You don't get to control my vote or my thinking, and I will not pretend you are oppressed because someone posted an unflattering thread about Sanders.

I'm one of the many many DUers who thought he nailed it because we're tired of the ridiculous hyperbole and accusations from people who look for reasons to be outraged and who choose to use their voice to pit DUers against each other instead of trying to unite them.

Okay, this is ludicrous. My OP said that we will know who best speaks to the interests of the African American community by how they vote. That is dividing DUers? Discussing the fact that voters make their own decisions? And what are you doing right here but attacking the HRC group, and somehow holding me personally responsible for the actions of random Clinton supporters? How is that uniting? Does failure to support Sanders somehow make one not a DUer? Yet concern for the entire population of America, as opposed to the relatively affluent and far whiter population of DU doesn't? Calling people corporatists and Third Way isn't divisive? Pointing out that voters determine their own interests is? That entire notion that discussing race is divisive is a conservative argument, now gone mainstream among so-called progressives. I find it incredible. America is already divided. It always has been. It was built on division. Now Black people are being killed by police. Their churches being burned and racist massacres take place. But I dare mention AA voters and I'm "dividing" DUers by mentioning someone exists outside this site that might actually matter? I'm sure I divide DUers when I talk about sexism and my experiences with poverty too. All that nasty, "imaginary" stuff that people don't like to think about, as has been repeatedly pointed out to me. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025346527 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025361657
Sorry I don't fit your proscribed box of who and what a DUer is supposed to care about. In fact, it would seem that the happenstance of my birth and the life experiences that came with it makes me something other than a real DUer.

Your memory of that thread is faulty. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026739071
What I said is that black voters themselves will decide who best addresses their issues. That poster you reference then shouted privilege, as I have seen him respond to other members of the subaltern who post something he doesn't like. There was at that point no black poster in that thread. That member came later, after you had agreed with the poster you mention who also shouts "privilege" to members of color on this site, as was the case when a member of the AA group posted that her concerns for racism were not solved by attention to class issues alone. She was "privileged" for being black and middle class, whereas upper-middle class white posters get no such admonition. In another thread he made profane insults to the very AA member he claimed I was interfering with his communication with in my thread. Funny how its always feminists and people of color who are "privileged," despite the fact self-polling shows DUers have high incomes overall (way higher than mine). If we in the subaltern live, we dare not discuss our concerns because it might make our betters feel bad, and lord knows that is more important than poverty, violence, and certainly our right to make our own democratic choices.

Let me be clear: I do not care in the slightest who you or anyone else votes for. Unlike some, I don't feel a need to control how others vote. I consider that their choice entirely. I don't even worry about it. To each her own.

This discussion is enough for me to know I do not wish to have another again. I'm sorry it makes you so angry that I don't support your political hero. You'll just have to cope. Better get used to it because 85% of the Democratic electorate feels the same way.

[beam me up scottie]

220. Check again: posts 140, 141 and 142.

Of course you only see what you want to see so the fact that you're blind to those attacks doesn't surprise me.

You wish all articles that don't laud Sanders to be buried. Wish away. It's not going to happen, especially not if you expect him to become a serious contender for the nomination.

Why are you making up shit about me, BB? Not only do I not want articles buried, I actually welcome more stupid attacks on my candidate.

The desperation of HC supporters inspires me.

You claimed the criticism of Sanders was "unprecedented." I pointed out it is not unprecedented in fact it is overshadowed by a deluge of crap about Clinton. That illustrates your outrage to be entirely selective.

Where did I say that? I want the post and exact words where you got your quote from.

Dishonesty like lying about what I posted is what really outrages me.

You called me a hypocrite for pointing out those facts.

I called the HC hosts hypocrites because they defended the op in their group and complained about how they're being "attacked" on DU. If you're feeling hypocritical too that's not on me.

You feel attacked because someone on the internet dares to support a different candidate. Too bad. I don't give a shit. MY DEMOCRATIC CHOICE. You get one vote and one vote only. You don't get to control my vote or my thinking, and I will not pretend you are oppressed because someone posted an unflattering thread about Sander

I don't feel attacked at all, you're projecting.

And guess what? I don't care about your vote. I stopped caring somewhere between your first post months ago declaring you were voting for Hillary because you disliked Sanders supporters and before your last thread declaring you were voting for Hillary because voting for Bernie was "voting for white male rule" and calling his supporters "misogynists".

And it looks like the only people whining about oppression in this thread are HC supporters.

Sorry I don't fit your proscribed box of who and what a DUer is supposed to care about.

LMAO!!!

You really need to start reimbursing me for irony meters, BB.

Do you ever read your own posts?

You constantly attack others for not being equally outraged about every thing that offends you.

Free clue: YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW:

Funny how it's always feminists and people of color who are "privileged," despite the fact self-polling shows DUers have high incomes overall (way higher than mine). If we in the subaltern live, we dare not discuss our concerns because it might make our betters feel bad, and lord knows that is more important than poverty, violence, and certainly our right to make our own democratic choices.

Sorry, not all women and poc agree with you, BB and you really should find a better way to deal with it than atacking other DUers and questioning their dedication to minority causes. In case you haven't noticed it just generates more backlash against you.

You're not the only champion for the oppressed on DU and the people who disagree with you are not racists and misogynists. They just don't agree with you.

Now Black people are being killed by police. Their churches being burned and racist massacres take place.

I am well aware of what's going on in my country, thank you.

I am aware of what poc think and feel because not only do I pay attention to their posts here (and elsewhere on the internet), I also discuss issues with poc irl and my s/o who is multi-racial.

So I don't need to peruse your many lectures and self righteous posts telling others that they don't care about poc because they don't agree with you or rec your threads.

I absolutely refuse to pay attention to someone claiming to speak for poc from a place of privilege who then dismisses the opinions of certain AA people because they don't share your opinion on a candidate.

So thanks so much for your attempts to speak for them, BB, but I'll look to actual poc for their opinions.

Let me be clear: I do not care in the slightest who you or anyone else votes for. Unlike some, I don't feel a need to control how others vote. I consider that their choice entirely.

Strawman.

No one is trying to control votes.

I'm sorry it makes you so angry that I don't support your political hero. You'll just have to cope.

Strawman, personal attack.

Making up shit about people makes DU suck, BB.

Don't flatter yourself, I could care less who you support. You've made it clear that you'll vote against a good liberal candidate just because he's a white man (you said "voting for Bernie Sanders is voting for white male rule&quot and the fact that you don't like his supporters.

Why would I waste my time trying to reason with someone who votes based upon gender, race and their hatred of other liberals?

Although people who won't vote for a candidate because of their race and gender usually come from the other side of the aisle, it's a shame to see the same kind of thinking on a Democratic website.

My vote is too important to me to use it as a weapon of revenge against people I dislike.

Women had to fight too goddamned hard for my right for me to abuse it in such a way.

[BooScout]

211. If you get this upset....

Over something that was reported in the most left leaning newspaper in the country (the NYT) about Bernie then you are in for a rude awakening. Wait until the Republicans start paying attention to him.

Hell fire, I saw a Bernie supporter blame Hillary for Bill and Monica and that was here at DU just the other day.
I see total lies and distortions posted about Hillary here every day. The OP is referring to something Sanders actually said, it may have been years ago, but that's never stopped people from doubling down on Hillary, why should Bernie get a pass?

[beam me up scottie]

212. I'm not upset, lying about Sanders by calling him a Republican helps my candidate.

It makes HC supporters look desperate.

Of course calling him a "Republican" who "sticks his head between a woman's legs" may be business as usual for Hillary supporters but that doesn't mean it should get a pass from the rest of us.

Ymmv.

[Autumn]

231. As a host in the Bernie Sanders group I can answer that for you.

If a supporter is arguing with other members over stupid crap and can't be civil I have no problem blocking them. If we are getting complaints about a supporter and screen caps where they are recommending posts about other candidates and then later removing their rec and sticking up for their supporters and arguing with Bernie supporters I have no problem blocking them. If a supporter starts shit in our group I have no problem blocking them. They can support Bernie elsewhere on DU if they have a problem adhering to the rules that make our group a safe haven for our other members. They can tell you that they were banned for no reason but that's bulldshit and they are to put it gently, stretching the truth. We don't block a member just because they say something we don't like. They are blocked because they are creating a problem with the other members, we put a lot of thought into it and we know who the problem posters are and we watch them.

You don't need to wonder anymore. Now you know.
And here's what you weren't wondering about.

If a Bernie supporter starts an OP in the Bernie Sanders group trashing another candidates supporters we hosts in the Bernie Sanders group have no problem locking that OP, unlike other candidates groups. If a Member posts a nasty OP smearing another candidate in the Bernie Sanders group we hosts in the Bernie Sanders group have no problem locking that OP. And if a member comes into our group complaining their post was hidden and lying about what they did we hosts in the Bernie Sanders group would have no problem locking that that OP.

[cui bono]

264. Yes, they have.

[Puglover]

170. Skinner has said

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a host can ban a person from a group for whatever reason. Period.

But speaking as a host, at the end of the day, it does come down to being able to look at yourself in the mirror and having integrity.

And well.....nothing more to say here.

Great post.

[kath]

181. +100

[beam me up scottie]

196. He also said "We Hillary supporters need to be better than everyone else."

Too bad the hosts of her group didn't get the memo.

Oh, wait, they did get it, they just didn't like it and told him so in ATA.

[kath]

175. Have you seen this thread in the HRC group?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=10425

[Bobbie Jo]

194. And?

You seem to think this is important, somehow.

So what?

[hrmjustin]

216. My sins are being hashed out in this thread.

[Bobbie Jo]

217. I guess I don't understand

the overwhelming need to obsess on another DU'er like this.

It's just weird...

[hrmjustin]

218. I allowed myself to be baited by a new poster and got frustraited.

My fan club decided to pile on.

[hrmjustin]

201. No i am not an innocent and nor do i claim to be. I take your criticism. N/t.

[cui bono]

255. That group has become a tabloid. They post hit pieces on Sanders that are lies in there so as

to avoid anyone being able to defend them. That the hosts allow that shows they have no business being hosts and have no integrity at all. They post plans against other DUers in there, plans that cross over into real life, and the hosts do nothing to shut it down. On the contrary, they egg them on and rec the OP.

...

Here is a post I made in there to point out their blatant hypocrisy, the OP is priceless, you can't make that shit up. You can only believe it by seeing it with your own eyes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=6967

Okay, wait... so you want to 'tattle' on Bernie supporters of DU?

You were the one calling Bernie supporters childish all over another thread.

Now, before I continue, I saw this OP on the Greatest Page so that's why I clicked on it. I did not come into the group looking for trouble.

I'll tell you something I see in here though. In the top 8 posts of this Hillary group are two that are complaining about Bernie supporters, this one plotting against them.

In the entire first page of posts in the Bernie group you don't find anything similar at all, they are all about Bernie himself, or something to do with him, but certainly not about Hillary supporters.

A couple weeks ago (I think around then) there was a negative post about Hillary supporters and it was locked and self-deleted and several Bernie supporters, myself included, asked in the OP (and I sent a pm to a host asking for the OP to be deleted/locked) to not do that. As I said, the OP was locked and self-deleted.

I realize the whole Bernie supporters are mean and childish is the new thing on DU, but we are not plotting as a group against Hillary supporters like this OP is. And when there was a negative post about Hillary supporters it was taken down due to the dislike of it, it was not cheered on as this OP is, or the one about Ghadaffi is. We aren't looking at this as a war between supporters as this group seems to based on these two well regarded OPs.

Also, I have had a personal experience with a very active Hillary supporter where they edited a post well after I had replied and they had replied to me again. It was a very dishonest thing to do, editing a post to make it seem that my response was completely wrong. I don't attribute that to all Hillary supporters though. I look at people based on their posts and actions on DU.

How about you do the same and worry about your own OPs and posts and don't look at this as a war between supporters and use this group to plot against the 'others'. To ask what you guys keep asking Bernie supporters.. is this the way you think Hillary would want you to act?

But gee.... it's Bernie supporters who are sooooo mean.... WAAAAHHHHH...

[Bobbie Jo]

376. "Now I'm really done."

This mob gathering is a fucking riot.

[Agschmid]

146. Lol.

[sabrina 1]

133. Of course, as I said, this kind of trash is only helping Bernie. In fact I

will post it all over social media to demonstrate the tactics that are being used against a candidate who has never stooped to negative personal attacks though he certainly could have, as could we, in his life.

It helps my candidate, that is all I care about as our country depends on getting the right person elected in 2016.

[bettyellen]

14. And I think they showed Breast cancer is higher if you've never conceived....

Wonder if it's higher among virgins.
Thanks Bernie- going to get right on that!

[arcane1]

24. We can only talk about Hillary's past back to 2008. Nothing else allowed. That's the rule

Or something

[kath]

33. Oh my goodness, thanks for posting that.

How totally disgusting of her.

[arcane1]

46. I'd never seen that before either. I felt creepy just reading the quotes.

I'm not sure I want to hear the audio

[kath]

69. Same here. Not sure if I can stomach listening to the audio.

[peacebird]

44. sickening. Had not heard of that before....

[Thinkingabout]

64. No, he wrote of fantasies women have of being raped

[Thinkingabout]

72. Thank you

[Thinkingabout]

70. This case, where Hillary was a court appointed attorney?

Glad you pointed this one out, she did her job like Bernie was doing on his articles. Was Bernie court appointed on these articles?

[Thinkingabout]

77. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Thinkingabout]

83. Are you sure she found it humorous?

[beam me up scottie]

86. So it's okay for you to spin the "rape fantasies" essay but questioning this is unfair?

Hypocrisy: it's not just for breakfast anymore.

[Thinkingabout]

223. Was Bernie a court appointed attorney for whom and what was he defending?

[beam me up scottie]

224. See post #222

[Thinkingabout]

230. OK, as a favor to the prosecutor, she did not solicit the case. If you had a criminal case would

you want your attorney to represent you or would you rather not have an attorney?

[kath]

233. That's not the issue. The issue is her laughing about the case during that interview.

[Thinkingabout]

239. I can deal with Hillary's possible flaws, she has great ability, I worry more about rape fantasies.

[cui bono]

269. If you are worried about rape fantasies you should get into therapy. Quickly!

That's not good.

[beam me up scottie]

275. I know, I'm more than a little concerned about them.

Their obsession with rape fantasies is much worse than anything Bernie ever wrote about gender stereotypes.

[beam me up scottie]

234. What I would like is a little less hypocrisy from some HC supporters.

You all need to take the telephone pole out of your own eye before you complain about people who "question" your candidate about their past.

[Thinkingabout]

232. Still waiting for whom was Bernie defending in his rape fantasies.

[beam me up scottie]

235. He didn't have any but keep spreading Horseshit for Hillary.

FoxNews called, they wanted to thank you for your contribution but they're looking for a new meme on Bernie.

[Thinkingabout]

238. Thank you, I can deal with any problems you may discover or post about Hillary, her strength and

ability is not altered by any talking points.

Maybe you should get another talking point besides FoxNews, doesn't bother me. I am still good.

[beam me up scottie]

245. You're obviously not dealing with it since you're lying about Sanders' "fantasies".

I feel sorry for people who have to resort to that kind of tactic.

It proves they don't have anything positive to say about their candidate.

Try another meme, that one's drawing flies.

[Thinkingabout]

248. It isn't a lie. Maybe dealing with facts about Bernie can help you. It is easy admitting Hillary

has flaws, she is not perfect but it does not change her abilities.

[beam me up scottie]

253. Yes, it is and I haven't smeared your candidate, not once.

Like I said, I don't have to resort to your kind of campaigning, I take my cues from my candidate, not Karl Rove.

Keep it up, I love that you're showing your true colours over and over again.

Every time you kick this piss poor excuse of an op and lie about him fantasizing about rape you're helping Sanders.

In case you haven't noticed real liberals don't like swift boaters.

[Thinkingabout]

257. Let me direct you to the facts:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained


this one shows the actual article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/28/bernie_sanders_sex_article_rape_fantasy_involved_in_1972_piece.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/politics/bernie-sanders-rape-essay-1972/


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/29/sanders-camp-distances-him-stupid-1972-essay-rape/


Now, I did not write this article, take a clue from your candidate, even he knows it was a dumb article, any smearing here is the responsibility of Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

273. I'm quite familiar with the meme and your version of the "facts" is fubar.

It was discussed here in depth and frankly imo, after reading everything that was posted about it only a moron would believe that Bernie Sanders fantasizes about rape.

The people at vox for example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026753605


And I must say your personal obsession with rape fantasies is quite disturbing.

[Thinkingabout]

307. When I read his article I was disturbed, it doesn't seem he is for women's rights.

Yes this has been discussed and even Bernie does not deny his article, even his camp calls stupid.

[beam me up scottie]

326. Then that's your problem, not Bernie's.

He has always been a feminist and fought tirelessly for women's rights.

When so called liberals attack our allies you hurt all of us.

Stop lying about a man who has never and will never throw women under the bus.

He's not the one who wanted to find common ground with the gop over abortion rights.

[Thinkingabout]

404. I do not share your opinion, it may have been stupid when he wrote the article and he may regret

Having wrote the article but still remains a part of his works. Denying truth does not serve Bernie and he is not denying the article.
Since I am lying about Bernie and there isn't a reason why you continue to deny what even Bernie does not deny.

[cui bono]

272. Every time you say that all I hear is 'Benghazi'.

[kath]

222. She was not the court appointed attorney, in fact she wasn't even a public defender at the time. She

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Took the case voluntarily, as a favor for the prosecutor (but I'm sure she was in no way attempting to curry favor with him)

( deleted a source that some people don't like. But the story is available in very many places and audio of the full interview is available)

[Control-Z]

82. Seems about as off as something can be.

I don't know a single woman with a prostate.

[Maedhros]

7. I think we can reasonably assume he has.

Just like we can reasonably assume your trolling.

[arcane1]

18. They think they're so clever. Like a baby covering its eyes and thinking it's hiding.

[Ed Suspicious]

84. Haha! That's a fantastic description of it.

[Maedhros]

136. What I can't understand is the source of the animus.

These people who call themselves "liberals", leveling depraved, disingenuous smears at the most liberal candidate in the race.

Disgusting hypocrites.

[artislife]

147. ^^This nt

[MuseRider]

166. Perfect!

If this is all they have to bust Bernie with we are in great shape. I have seen more misfires here when they go after him than I can remember ever.

Is he perfect? NO. Why don't you go after something that is honest and credible and you disagree with?

You can't take part of anything you found on the Internet and go after someone with it. We will find the same thing and post the rest of it. It makes people look really bad or mean or corrupt or just dumb to think we will not see what they did.

Perfect arcane1.

[Puglover]

412. Hey I say keep on keeping on!

Anyone with a shred of integrity that reads the horseshit smears these supporters post might give Bernie more consideration.

[Snotcicles]

8. Why, are you proof otherwise? nt

[virtualobserver]

10. there was a study that showed that more frequent sex improved your immune system.

so it is not a particularly insane notion

that Bernie...he's wacky...he's nutty...

[shenmue]

31. Wow

[artislife]

15. At least he is advocating for women to have sex

That's a breath of fresh air from a male politician.

[shenmue]

19. Are you kidding?

He was saying women are bound to get sick unless they get enough from guys.

[artislife]

22. Most male politicians are saying we are nuts if we do. nt

[shenmue]

27. Not true

Really, people believe anything.

[beam me up scottie]

62. Yep, people who bought the what the op was selling really will believe anything.

Because actually reading the article before jumping in the swift boat is too difficult for them.

[artislife]

68. Reading is H A R D...nt

[beam me up scottie]

71. It's like they think it'll be painful or something.

I hope they don't accidentally tune in to FoxNews...

[artislife]

74. Ohh I like your cat bat! nt

[beam me up scottie]

81. Thanks! Hello Cthulhu is all kinds of awesome!

[kath]

26. Uh, Hello - a woman doesn't need a man in order to have an orgasm.

Do a little reading on human sexuality.

[shenmue]

30. Not what I said

[beam me up scottie]

50. Yes that's exactly what you said: "women are bound to get sick unless they get enough from guys"

I feel sorry for women who think they need men to orgasm.

And those who lie about and constantly bash our male allies.

Personally I think we should embrace men who are feminists.

[F4lconF16]

400. Heh.

Embrace us all you want, we don't mind a bit

This thread is the first one I clicked on after being away for a while. Makes me glad I've been working on my politics elsewhere, I gotta say.

[beam me up scottie]

401. How are you???

Haven't seen you in awhile, I was gone for a couple of weeks.

Guys like you and Bernie are better feminists than many women I know.



And yeah, it's ugly out here. You need cast iron undies if you're going to play in GD P.

[F4lconF16]

437. Doing well!

Actually fantastic--in the last couple of weeks, I've started a serious political project of my own, got a new apartment, got time off for vacation in a week, made new friends, started agitating in the workplace (shhh don't tell anyone, but the employees aren't real happy--there might even be a serious thing being planned, of which I can't say), and overall have been loving life!

If you've been gone, you might have missed this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026929658
Wasn't real well written, but it gets the point across.
Part of why I haven't been around, but mostly because I've been having these discussions in real life it's nice.

How about you??

(apologies if I forget to respond--I've not been remembering to check in here much, happily busy)

[arcane1]

29. Since you also don't want to actually read the article, at least read post 9

[artislife]

35. Doesn't fit her/his narrative to read the article...

And I kind feel that all the legislation having to do with woman and sex is supporting my claim that there are a lot of male politicians and some women who don't want us having sex.

[Autumn]

45. He was quoting a study, in a newspaper he wrote for...

that's kind of what a person writing for a newspaper might do.

[beam me up scottie]

53. Doesn't matter: Bashed Bernie

That's all they care about, Autumn, the truth is unimportant.

[Autumn]

158. That's obvious.

[Aerows]

94. Um, you are missing a demographic

I get plenty, and it isn't from guys, but rather a woman who knows what she's doing.

[peacebird]

151. Last time i checked, it didn't take another person for me to reach orgasm.... Just saying...

It's more fun with company, no doubt about that, for me at least. but then I like my hubby, a lot!

[Autumn]

21. He never did, he quoted a study when he wrote for a newspaper. Which you might have known

had you read the article you found and posted

[arcane1]

32. But they're so CLEVER!

And now they're locked out of their own thread

[Aerows]

23. Good heavens.

[daleanime]

25. Wow, Hillary's getting her money's worth...

out of some one's research. Have a great night every one.

[Bjorn Against]

28. Of all the attacks I have seen against Bernie I think this may be the stupidest.

[arcane1]

37. I think my favorite is still "He doesn't have a high enough net worth"

[Aerows]

57. You can't be serious

Somebody actually said that !?!?

[arcane1]

92. Right here on DU, in fact!

I'll see if I can find it...

[Autumn]

76. I loved that one

and he can't manage money because he isn't wealthy from being in office all these years. I laughed so hard on that one I almost peed.

[beam me up scottie]

56. No kidding, and calling him a Republican got them locked out of their own thread.

Nice to see some Hillary supporters are keeping it classy.

[Autumn]

60. It amazes me that some see that hidden post as legitimate criticism and have the

fucking nerve to say that post was hidden because Bernie supporters can't handle criticism of Bernie and will vote to hide a post for that reason.


That hidden post wasn't criticism it was a low nasty smear.

[beam me up scottie]

65. They're actually complaining about the deleted post in their group?

And people are agreeing with them?

Wow, just when you think they can't get any lower...

[DeadLetterOffice]

91. They are, and they are, and

if one were to point out the actual contents of the hidden post one will get chided for being a non-HRC supporter in the HRC room.

Is it gonna be fucking like this until the Convention??? Gah.

[beam me up scottie]

93. Some of Hillary's supporters once scolded one of their own for another awful hit piece.

While others obviously approve of swift boating Dem candidates.

Gah is right.

And argh.

[Capt. Obvious]

168. But don't you see?

That is proof of the vast conspiracy against Clinton supporters on this site.

[beam me up scottie]

191. ALERTED!

It's a pleasure to see you here, Captain!

I don't think this thread turned out quite the way the op expected but after reading their complaint in ATA, it's apparent they've learned nothing from this experience.

[Kalidurga]

79. I am pretty sure I have seen stupider, I can't be sure...

my brain doesn't hold onto traumatic events too well.

[sadoldgirl]

34. Look what you have done here

Now all female Bernie supporters will insist on
orgasms, because that is his main message
in the campaign-- right?????













sarcasam

[Aerows]

43. It just stuns me

It's so dumb there won't be a bell attached to it.

[hootinholler]

97. I hope they scream Bern Baby Bern!

In the moment, so to say.

[hedda_foil]

36. Those two things weren't connected at all in the quoted passages. Not at all.

He connected a number of diseases and death to the stress of working 9-5 in an office. He related his view of how working in New York was often deadening, leading to:

The piece began with an apocalyptically alarmist account of the unbearable horror of having an office job in New York City, of being among “the mass of hot dazed humanity heading uptown for the 9-5,” sentenced to endless days of “moron work, monotonous work.”

It's only gotten worse since then, as extreme overwork has become part of the deadening Bernie described, and many studies have confirmed the linkages he noted in the early 70's.

Lack of orgasm isn't noted. Sexual deadening is, and that doesn't generally equate with sexual deadening, which is more likely to translate into the reduction or loss of desire.

So, whereas did you learn about this article?

[arcane1]

39. It was already posted on DU a week or so ago

So it's not even original "concern"

[Aerows]

38. For the record, I'd just like to ask

Why in the FUCK are we going here?

I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, but this sort of shit-headed dredging in the ditch for ammunition is a crock.

You know what? I wouldn't do this shit to Hillary and I don't want her to be our nominee.

This sort of crap makes her supporters, and by extension, her campaign look awful.

[arcane1]

40. It makes them look awfully desperate.

[Aerows]

48. I've not seen so many elementary swipes

since I was running for eighth grade class president.

[arcane1]

49. They're whining in their safe haven now, for getting a post locked here

I'm thinking the font style needs to be changed to "crayon"

[Aerows]

52. If *THAT* is the presumptive candidate for the Democratic party's supporters attitudes

We are in deep fucking trouble.

Those aren't the sounds winners make. Those are the sounds that resemble a lion taking down a gnu, and they are the gnu.

[beam me up scottie]

58. LMAO!!!

Thanks, I needed that after reading the op and their now hidden post.

[London Lover Man]

89. The Clinton campaign has NOTHING on Bernie

so they're recycling old smears.

Clinton, however, has skeletons the size of Texas, and she keeps evading the press like there's no tomorrow.

[wyldwolf]

42. Donna Summer (RIP) passed from cancer

Time Magazine once called 'Love To Love You Baby' a 'marathon of 22 orgasms.'

just thought I'd throw that meaningless factoid out there.

[Aerows]

47. On May 17, 2012

Rest her soul, but what does this have to do with this thread?

[elehhhhna]

51. uh oh. If it does, are women with wandering husbands more at risk?!!

You know, since they are sleeping alone?

[JimDandy]

375. OMG that is a horrible

sideways smack at Hillary... but I couldn't stop myself from busting out laughing from it. Shame on me. Shame on me. I'm not a Hillary fan at this point, but I still feel for what she went through with her husband. Your turn about was quite clever and that's what earned the laugh.

[Trajan]

54. Question everything

Welcome to forever ignore ...

The primaries are bringing out the ugly in what I thought were gentle persons ...

Tis a shame ... Gone

[Scootaloo]

55. Golly, now i'll support Clinton for sure!

[wendylaroux]

61. studies do show however

that people who post silly shit aren't having orgasms either,right?
Sorry,Just remembered someone saying that sometime,can't remember where,why.sorry

[Autumn]

63. I'm gonna rec this Op just for your reply

[wendylaroux]

95. Thank you!

[Autumn]

96. That one was the win

[beam me up scottie]

99. LOL! Just sayin...

Orgasms can't cure what ails some folks.

[tymorial]

67. Hillary is no longer a republican right?

[Thinkingabout]

80. She has been a Democrat for many years and still is a Democrat.

The first year she could vote for a Democrat president she did.

[tymorial]

85. Oh I know.

I was using sarcasm to point out the absurdity of digging up an article that is 50 years old as a means to discredit Sanders. Aka: Sanders believed that so how can we support him... Hillary was republican, how can we support her.

[Ed Suspicious]

88. A "Democrat President?" Lord, that reads like it was written

by a republican. Not saying you are, just that twice now today, that I've noticed, you made posts that could have come straight out of freeperville.

[Scootaloo]

90. What a funny coincidence. n/t

[Aerows]

134. I noticed that, too. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

165. Freeperville? Only freeperville would bring up this claim which occurred when Hillary was 16/17

years of age. Yes, Hillary said she was a "Goldwater" girl, Goldwater ran for president in 1964, yes I can except Hillary was a Goldwater girl, Bernie wrote this article, how is your acceptance he wrote the article?

[Enrique]

73. good luck with this

maybe it will help Hillary.

[Depaysement]

87. Trashy OP

No better than "Hillary laughing at rape."

[99Forever]

98. You actually posted this?

Really?

Whatever.

[deutsey]

156. It's this kind of crap that has motivated me to lay low at DU for a while

The OP, I mean, not your reply.

I check in, lurk, and occasionally respond to or post OPs that won't blow up in my face, because for the most part, I don't have time for the bullshit.

[99Forever]

171. Maybe that's why I feel like I need a shower after...

....coming to this site. The cognitive dissonance is beyond rampant.

[marble falls]

100. And the purpose of posting this is what???

[zappaman]

102. Aye yi yi

[MADem]

103. OMG.

Chalk some of this up to being young and unemployed.


I guess so!!!




The hits just keep on coming....!

I'll bet he wishes he could make a lot of his 'opinings' disappear!

[jwirr]

104. Really surprised you find this so funny. Cervical cancer is not a laughing matter and it is heart

breaking to anyone who has it.

[HooptieWagon]

105. Hillary no longer supports Goldwater, right?

Although she is still bff with Kissinger, apparently.

[kath]

129. Hey, Kissinger is a great fuckin' guy - he won the Nobel Peace Prize!

(never forget the great Tom Lehrer line - "Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel peace prize.&quot

[HassleCat]

106. Very interesting history

Many candidates have a history of saying and doing things not necessarily consistent with what they say and do now. It appears Sanders has been reasonably consistent over the years. His path through life is somewhat similar to that of our current president. I would find it far more disturbing if he had been a fiery Ayn Rand fanatic, then suddenly flopped 180 degrees and become a socialist. The general direction of the article is that Sanders still clings to old ideas that went out fashion with long hair and bell bottoms, which makes him some kind of crusty socialist anachronism. I guess that's true. Politicians who stick to their principles and reject the usual compromises are rare, and many people find them a little scary. If there were more like Sanders, it would be easier for him, as well as better for us.

[arcane1]

109. Where does he "still cling to old ideas"?

The OP is about things from 40-50 years ago.

[840high]

120. unrec -

[restorefreedom]

123. while the bernie haters are having fun...

there's medical evidence to suggest frequent orgasms in men reduces the risk of prostate cancer. So maybe he was on to something after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11617397/An-orgasm-a-day-could-keep-prostate-cancer-at-bay.html

[beam me up scottie]

126. Why does the op hate orgasms?

[restorefreedom]

128. why are we talking about orgasms at all when the future of the country is at stake?

are we on the titanic or something?

[beam me up scottie]

130. Well the other memes were already taken.

Got to give them props for being creative.

The op is so twisted it's positively Donald Trumpish.

[restorefreedom]

131. i think there is something in the air....

ahh there it is.... the whiff of desperation

[cui bono]

278. Was Titanic porn?

[AtheistCrusader]

282. I'm certain this is a trick question.

[restorefreedom]

292. i was suggesting

that some are playing fiddles while the country is sinking...

like they did on the titanic..

there were no emoticons of little guys moving deck chairs around so i had to improvise

[AtheistCrusader]

297. No, you're fine.

The response was fine too. I was just being a peanut gallery.

[restorefreedom]

308. but in a good way

hey if we don't laugh sometimes we will never get through the primaries, never even mind the general

[MelungeonWoman]

403. Ha! I thought it was a reference to panic sex!

Q: OMG Bernie keeps gaining in the polls! what are we going to do???

A: Let's bring up the fact that he used the word SEXUAL in a college report! TWICE!!!1!

[restorefreedom]

411. lol n/t

[kelly1mm]

132. Wow! Blast from the past! Wasn't this about the time Hillary was a 'Goldwater Girl'? nt

[Live and Learn]

135. Low and disengenious post, IMHO.

Sanders keeps it real. I wish we all could.

[Maedhros]

137. We have to keep reminding ourselves that not all Hillary supporters

post such smugly cretinous drivel as this OP.

[GeorgeGist]

139. Kandr for exposure.

[seaglass]

149. This is a link to the full article he wrote, bizarre to say the least...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2157403-sanders-cancer.html

On edit: And more on his writings:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-freeman-sexual-freedom-fluoride

[Little Star]

152. Yikes! Thanks for the links. I had never seen them before.

[seaglass]

157. Yeah I don't really get what the problem is in learning as much as possible about someone who wants

to be President. It's not as if the opposition won't do all this research if he wins the primary, better to be prepared I think.

He is a bold and quirky guy.

[peacebird]

154. Oh my, let's dredge back 46 years and see what we can find! You know you guys look desperate, right?

[seaglass]

159. Sure peacebird, I'd rather know all I can about a potential President but if you prefer sticking

your head in the sand, go ahead.

[peacebird]

161. "I sometimes think i didn't leave the Republican Party" Hillary wrote "as much as it left me"

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17388372/ns/politics-decision_08/t/reading-hillary-rodhams-hidden-thesis/#.VaUXOWK9KSM

[seaglass]

163. I've already made my judgments about Hillary, Bernie not so much. Perhaps you shouldn't

make assumptions. With us or against us, right?

[peacebird]

164. No, just silly to drag out stuff from 46 years ago. People change and grow.

[seaglass]

172. Did you know that Bernie attended the March on Washington and he was an organizer for SNCC,

both over 46 years ago?

[Sunlei]

169. whats next? is DU going to drag out those striped 'petal pushers' Mrs Clinton wore in college?

[LongTomH]

174. Oh, God! Can't we just let this meme die a natural death?!?!?!?

[djean111]

178. No, I am sure they are giggling and snorting about this, somewhere.

[djean111]

176. Well, that's sorry, all right. Running out of material, or just havin' some fun?

This stuff is very defining, you know. Very defining of the HRC camp.

[Vinca]

183. I'm so tired of the half century old stories on Bernie.

Can't we talk about Hillary as a Goldwater girl for a bit?

[LWolf]

184. Let's.

It's kind of the first move in what has been a clear pattern for her; switching her support and efforts as the political wind blows.

[ieoeja]

189. Hillary no longer seeks "common ground" with anti-abortion crowd, right?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/

Clinton has worked hard to take the edge off her reputation as a card-carrying liberal. She has has collaborated with congressional conservatives on some peices of legislation, called for a "common ground" on abortion and cut a political figure some on the left see as decidedly un-liberal.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our champion on women's rights!

Standard DLC policy: give up the fight for economic justice so Democrats can compete against Republicans in fund raising, then compromise on social justice to expand the Democratic base. Hillary made a fine President of the DLC, but the last thing we should want is her as President of the USA.

[Capt. Obvious]

406. I can't believe the OP was locked out of their own thread

Further proof of the alert swarms and bombs that are targeting Hillary supporters here with reckless abandon. The alert gangsters won't stop until they've driven off anyone that has sincere concerns about Sanders.

If I were the OP I'd take this unfair hide directly to the administrators. Failing that I'd at least start a meta thread about it.

[retrowire]

407. people are getting alerted on both sides

stop with the persecution complex.

[Violet_Crumble]

413. The problem is where to start a meta thread with no Meta forum anymore...

If only there were a group at DU where people could go and start meta threads and be left in peace to complain. But a better version than the Meta forum was. Everyone knew its downfall was that any old riff raff were let in. If only there were a way to put a bouncer on the door to keep the undesirables away from meta threads...

[Capt. Obvious]

414. I think you might be onto something

Skinner should think about providing such a space.

[Warren Stupidity]

418. meta was fine and it let people blow off steam.

As it is the meta is still here it is just contained within other posts. Closing meta and the 5-hide bounty were the two worst changes the admins made.

[AlbertCat]

421. won't stop until they've driven off anyone that has sincere concerns about Sanders.

That hyperbole is so heavy it's collapsed into a black hole!

[Capt. Obvious]

422. Mark my words

They won't stop until this is renamed BernieSandersMojo

[AlbertCat]

423. Who is this "they" you speak of?

Go Bernie!

[Capt. Obvious]

424. The raging Bernie supporter hordes

They're leaving a wake of destroyed Hillary supporter carcasses everywhere save for the safe haven panic room and even that's not safe anymore.

[AlbertCat]

425. Guffaw!

That's funny!

[beam me up scottie]

435. Uh oh.

They're on to us.

Who squealed?

[Eleanors38]

426. Well, the gunz thing didn't take, so now it's the Big O!

[Nye Bevan]

427. Wow. Imagine the DU reaction if Santorum or Gingrich had said that (nt)