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rateyes

(17,438 posts)
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:56 AM Aug 2015

#PoorLivesMatter. #BlackLivesMatter.

Those two truths are NOT mutually exclusive.

Are there things you can do to help achieve racial justice without addressing economic justice? Of course.

Will we ever achieve racial justice without achieving economic justice? NO WAY!

We need to elect people who understand that basic truth.

Now, I certainly understand that economic justice doesn't mean one damned thing to someone who is murdered because some fucking monster in a police uniform or carrying a confederate flag doesn't like the color of their skin. And, we all need to come together to bring the guilty to justice, and end the senseless killing. That needs to be a priority--the number one priority--no doubt.

But, once that goal is achieved, what then?

Will the achievement gap that exists in our schools between white students and people of color go away? Not without economic justice. Will the employment gap that exists between black people and white people be closed? Not without economic justice.

So, I ask you, who do you want sitting in the POTUS chair, and in the office chairs in the House and Senate? Do you want people in office who will work to end the physical violence against people of color, but who give lip service to the poor, without really addressing the violence of income inequality?

Or, do you want people who will work for both racial and economic justice?

Black Lives Matter. Poor Lives Matter.

Those two truths are NOT mutually exclusive.

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Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
1. I don't think you'll find many people (anyone?) who says they are mutually exclusive....
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:02 AM
Aug 2015

But they are also NOT completely the same thing.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
2. I think that I made the point that they are not the same thing. And, neither
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:07 AM
Aug 2015

do I think that any of our candidates believe they are the same thing. But, I do believe we have two candidates who differ on how we go about solving the problems. And, we have one candidate who has mischaracterized the other candidate's position by implying that he does believe they are the same thing.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
5. Then the "mischaracterized" candidate needs to do a better job.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 10:06 AM
Aug 2015

I frankly don;t think he has done a great job of expressing that opinion. Easy problem for him to solve.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
3. Well, there's that good ole boys network thing that's very much alive
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:26 AM
Aug 2015

And kickin.

I see it all the time around here. Blacks are basically locked out of the higher paying, good benefit jobs even if they are qualified to perform them.

Our rural utility companies are a perfect example. Can't earn a good living if there's an invisible "no darkies" sign at the door.

Like someone in another thread stated, there's an intersection or more like an electrified fence we need to remove, someway.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
7. just like racism, a tool of the rich is to prevent collective outrage
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
Aug 2015

when many see Black Lives Matter(BLM) they obviously see an aggrieved group, but when that group shouts down what appears to many to be white candidates who actually support positions BLM themselves actually support, they become less effective as they themselves by their name and by that action imply to white people watching they are not us. If we white people see more difference between ourselves and those who shout down White candidates, collective outrage is often destroyed. Empathy is fine for feeling but it is collective outrage that creates social change bot just empathy.
Sure we should have empathy but telling your story is not all an organization can do if they are really responsive to their supporters. They must not serve unwittingly those who depend on division of the races and these are the oligarchs.
The enemy sure as hell ain't Bernie Sanders who has a long history of believing and fighting for racial justice. Yes Black Lives Matter but there is a group which has a large economic interest in sowing the racial and class hatred that allow and promote police brutality against POC, the homeless, and the poor. Until that group of oligarchs are removed from control of our economic, and social systems through their control of our governments, federal, state , and local, we will achieve little to make Black Lives, Poor Lives,and Homeless Lives Matter More. Until that occurs we will see increasing efforts to blame the victims, to create hatred and division between men and women, between heterosexuals and the LGTQ people. between the religious right to life and those who believe in women's individual right to chose, between those who cling to false Confederate pride and those who know the true history. All of these conflicts will be used to try to drive people to vote for candidates who depend on this hatred to be elected and thus have the ability to sell their services and their souls to the rich. But instead let us recognize who our enemy really is, join together to bring back democracy by wresting control of our government from the real enemy, the rich. The only way, I know to do this great thing is first to elect Bernie Sanders and second then move on to institute a true progressive populist revolution. Join us in this important undertaking.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
8. Hijacking their hashtag is disrespectful and continues to ignore the point of it in the first place.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:42 PM
Aug 2015

YES poor lives matter. YES white lives matter. YES all lives matter. BUT it's black lives that are being targeted and even ended, simply due to race. A poor white person doesn't have to worry about being pulled over simply because of the color of his/her skin. BUT poor AND rich black people do.

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