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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:00 PM Aug 2015

Hillary Clinton’s misuse of email undermines her candidacy

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article30659301.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign is premised on her intelligence, her abilities and her experience. That’s why revelations about her misuse of government email during her time as U.S. secretary of state are so troubling....

Clinton’s apologists have pointed to reporting mistakes and enemies’ hyperbole to avoid confronting questions raised by her conduct. That will go only so far. The New York Times wrote this weekend that FBI agents are asking questions about Platte River’s security measures.

We agree in concept that the government classifies too many documents. But until the law is changed, it’s not up to any one official to determine who can see what, even if that official is the nation’s top diplomat....

Clinton partisans will glibly brush off the questions as being driven by Republican partisans. Clearly, Republicans are hot on her trail. But because of Clinton’s apparent belief that regular rules don’t apply to her, she opened herself up to the attack.

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Hillary Clinton’s misuse of email undermines her candidacy (Original Post) KamaAina Aug 2015 OP
There was no law that I am aware of which forbade what she did,,,,,,, benld74 Aug 2015 #1
Trump has not broken any laws, either KamaAina Aug 2015 #4
There doesn't need to be a breach of law to demonstrate terrible judgment. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #6
The 1950 Federal Records Act forbids destroying documents and communications. leveymg Aug 2015 #10
Count me in on that concept. I indeed am a pure apologist on this one. FarPoint Aug 2015 #2
Hillary's not my first choice for Prez, dgibby Aug 2015 #3
Aaaaand, we're back here again.... DanTex Aug 2015 #5
I'd really love someone to do an overview of the email mess askew Aug 2015 #7
Celebrities don't have to play by the rules. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #8
Wishful thinking. okasha Aug 2015 #9
I'll bet she was behind murielm99 Aug 2015 #11
Chappaqua is spelled suspiciously similar to Chappaquiddick tritsofme Aug 2015 #17
Thread win! KamaAina Aug 2015 #18
Mostly it suggests an attitude of exceptionalism, that's basically consistent HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #12
Apparently it does not. She's way, way, way, WAY, way for ahead of 2nd place Bernie. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #13
You're wrong (see #10 above) and you're gloating. Most unbecoming of a young lady. ;-) leveymg Aug 2015 #14
You just don't understand the New Bernie Math, okasha Aug 2015 #15
44 still beats 37 restorefreedom Aug 2015 #19
More than 3 positions on TPP? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #16
if she knew or thought she was going to run restorefreedom Aug 2015 #20

benld74

(9,911 posts)
1. There was no law that I am aware of which forbade what she did,,,,,,,
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:05 PM
Aug 2015

Please inform me if I am mistaken and state the law.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
6. There doesn't need to be a breach of law to demonstrate terrible judgment.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:11 PM
Aug 2015

One might expect a Secretary of State to be particularly careful with sensitive emails, regardless of laws or lack thereof.

Further, one whom aspires to the highest office might consider the impact of such a move and thus not use their own server.

It's the lack of concern and lack of common sense that gives one pause.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
10. The 1950 Federal Records Act forbids destroying documents and communications.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:30 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)

It isn't her use of a private system, but her subsequently failure to turn official email over to the National Archives for indexing and classification. While that is a federal law that she apparently knowingly avoided and violated, there are no penalties (jail or monetary fines) attached. It's a command to the head of agencies to carry out a duty. Here's the cite: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/3106

44 U.S. Code § 3106 - Unlawful removal, destruction of records

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The head of each Federal agency shall notify the Archivist of any actual, impending, or threatened unlawful removal, defacing, alteration, or destruction of records in the custody of the agency of which he is the head that shall come to his attention, and with the assistance of the Archivist shall initiate action through the Attorney General for the recovery of records he knows or has reason to believe have been unlawfully removed from his agency, or from another Federal agency whose records have been transferred to his legal custody. In any case in which the head of the agency does not initiate an action for such recovery or other redress within a reasonable period of time after being notified of any such unlawful action, the Archivist shall request the Attorney General to initiate such an action, and shall notify the Congress when such a request has been made.



It has also been alleged that she violated a safekeeping provision of the 1917 Espionage Act by destroying materials that were obtained from national intelligence sources. There are also sections of the 1917 Act that might apply if it could be shown she unlawfully retained or transferred classified materials, but that requires a showing of intent for the criminal sanctions to have effect, and would be difficult to prosecute.

FarPoint

(12,481 posts)
2. Count me in on that concept. I indeed am a pure apologist on this one.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:06 PM
Aug 2015

I know what is evil and it is not Hillary and her emails. Far, far from it.

If we keep eating our own so to speak, then we will indeed have another republican dynasty in the White House. That will finish off their plan to live the lifestyle seen in the "Hunger Games". The haves and the workers....I'll be a poor worker.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
3. Hillary's not my first choice for Prez,
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:08 PM
Aug 2015

but I think most of this is being driven by the same Republicans that have(and continue to) hounded her to death about Benghazi. I'm more than willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this.

askew

(1,464 posts)
7. I'd really love someone to do an overview of the email mess
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aug 2015

There are about 5 lawsuits, sworn affidavits, FBI investigations, IG investigations, congressional investigations. It is a giant mess.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
9. Wishful thinking.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:24 PM
Aug 2015

When they've run out of steam on this one, they'll start blaming her for the weather.

Or maybe they can try to resuscitate Whitewater.

murielm99

(30,782 posts)
11. I'll bet she was behind
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:53 PM
Aug 2015

Chappaquiddick, too. It was not Teddy at all. Hillary was lurking in the water.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. Mostly it suggests an attitude of exceptionalism, that's basically consistent
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:01 PM
Aug 2015

with her persona.

She's running on intelligence, ability and experience, but she's also going to be judged on issues of personality and character.

Mileage is going to vary on how that plays with individual voters.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
16. More than 3 positions on TPP?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:01 PM
Aug 2015

More than not stating a position on the XL pipeline?

More than Snipergate (which will make Swift Boating look like constructive criticism).

More than the $1.5 million in speaking fees Bill got from a Swiss Bank after Hillary had dealings with them as Sec. of State?





restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
20. if she knew or thought she was going to run
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:50 AM
Aug 2015

this just puts a loaded grenade into the hands of republicans, whether or not any breach of protocol actually occurred.

and it also adds to the perception that certain ones among us are not subject to the same rules, again whether or not anything was done wrong.

it was just stupid. or arrogant. or both.

either way, if she is the nominee, expect to hear this endlessly from the r nom.

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