Hillary is not "entitled" or "anointed", she's the front runner and has earned that

[CreekDog]

I haven't seen any men with as much support and experience called "anointed" or "entitled"
(as a dig). Whether she wins the nomination or not remains to be seen, but she is the front runner and has earned that through her widespread support.

It's not only a dig at her accomplishments to suggest she hadn't earned her position in the race, it's a slap at her supporters whose support is written off as somehow inferior or illegitimate.

I'll support the nominee no matter what, be it her or Bernie.

But some of these slaps at her are also aimed at disrespecting the importance or significance of her supporters, as if she's usurping the front runner status when she's earned/earning it just as every male canndidate has before her whose support and supporters haven't been referred to in this way.

[cantbeserious]

1. Earned - How - Could It Be That The Party Has Annointed Her - The People Not So Much

eom

[JoePhilly]

3. Yea she's only up by about 20-30 points ... no one wants her.

[CreekDog]

163. Like Yogi Berra said about Yankee Stadium, "Nobody goes there..."

...it's too crowded."

[Logical]

232. How does that relate to anything? nt

[Logical]

231. LOL, nice try, she lost a 30 point lead in 2008! Short term memory? Nt

[frazzled]

268. She garnered more of the popular vote in 2008 than Obama

17,857,501 to Obama's 17,584,692. But because he played a smarter delegate game, he received more delegates by winning more states (29 states+2 territories +DC+DA) to her 21 states + 2 territories.

You seem to have a short memory as to how long and drawn out that primary was, and in the end, how close.

She had a huge base of support. It was just that Obama was a phenomenon, and had a crack campaign strategy team.

For disclosure: I was a strong Obama supporter in that primary election, and worked on the ground both from his Chicago offices and traveling as much as 6 hours to Michigan to canvass.

[Logical]

271. I love the credit going to obama and no blame to hillary. Cracks me up! Nt

[CreekDog]

97. Her front runner status is shown in polls of Democrats

They don't just poll the DNC leaders.

[SidDithers]

147. Proving the OP in the first reply...

Well done.



Sid

[treestar]

148. It is decided by primary and caucus

not by any purported party annunciation.

[Agschmid]

153. Except they haven't.

You are the party, have you anointed her?

Or is this just another one of those posts...

[Picking Dem]

2. So far Clinton hasn't earned my vote...

and probably never will, because I rarely hear from her in the media.

[FloridaBlues]

7. No she's not appointed she will be voted as president

Bernie will be lucky to reach 35-40% on any "national" polling.

[frylock]

170. national polling means jack crap during the primaries

[Gothmog]

225. Sanders is only doing well in two states which each are 95% white

Sanders lacks support of key groups in the Democratic base

[frylock]

229. momentum is building..

it's scaring the crap out of people.

[Gothmog]

243. Whete? Do you have any polls showing this?

[frylock]

264. Yeah, here's your "poll"

Sanders numbers have almost doubled in a little over two months since he announced. You'll see a further increase in his numbers after the first debate. Bank it.

?

[Chico Man]

14. Do you follow her on Facebook?

Might have something to do with it. As far as MSM goes, I haven't heard much from anyone besides Trump.

[asjr]

58. Well, some people just don't like intelligent women.

[Logical]

233. Lol, so anyone against Hillary is sexist? I knew that would be the whining! Nt

[Lil Missy]

106. She seems to be doing quite well without you. n/t

[Logical]

234. Like in 2008? LOL! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

249. Did they repeal the 22nd Amendment? LOL! nt

[Logical]

260. So it was obama and not hillary? That is really a LOL, no one loses a 30 point....

Lead unless they are a terrible campainger!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

262. Comparing Bernie Sanders with Barack Obama is akin to comparing ...

Comparing Bernie Sanders to Barack Obama is akin to comparing Johnny Paycheck to Joe Louis, lol

[Logical]

269. Nice try! Keep dreaming, make believe is fun! Nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

272. You made the comparison, not me! Nt

[Gothmog]

4. Hillary Clinton is the front runner because she has the best resume and experience for the job

Rubio admitted that Clinton has the best resume in the first GOP debate

[cantbeserious]

6. Really - Voted For War - Supports Wall Street - Is For TPP - And On And On

eom

[Recursion]

17. You want a President who doesn't support Wall Street?

Think before you answer.

[Dawgs]

25. Uh, she's a Democrat that voted for war because of her presidential ambitions.

That should immediately disqualify her with everyone else that considers themselves a Democrat.

[Recursion]

27. Notice my avatar

I want the party to go a different direction than Clinton.

I was calling out one particular sentence.

[SonderWoman]

28. What? Democrats have started nearly all the wars in US history.

[Dawgs]

30. What does that have to do with my comment? n/t

[SonderWoman]

34. You said voting for war is a disqualification for being a Democrat.

[ramblin_dave]

42. Which wars did Democrats start?

Provide list please.

[Recursion]

61. Well, the Civil War obviously

WWI and WWII you could argue whether we "started", but that's more on the level of third-grade "he hit me first" antics.

[msanthrope]

280. Vietnam. perhaps you remember that little dust up? nt

[ramblin_dave]

282. Yes, of course I remember it, but

The claim was that Democrats started nearly all the wars in US history. One example doesn't prove the claim even if true. But Vietnam is complicated. Conflict between the French and Vietnamese had been going on for a long while with both Truman and Eisenhower sending aid and advisers. The Gulf of Tonkin resolution had huge bi-partisan support in the House and Senate. So to me Vietnam as a shooting conflict was initiated by Democrats and Republicans.

[A Simple Game]

77. If that is true don't you think it is time for the voters to change that?

Do you think we should keep electing candidates that show a disregard for human life? Do you think it wise to back candidates that haven't learned that no one ever wins a war? Do you support wars of choice and not just for defense?

[seabeyond]

158. sanders supported bush 1 iraq to get elected then voted against. but voted for kosovo war

[Dawgs]

33. Sorry, my bad.

Is there any candidate you would support?

[Recursion]

63. Sure, I support O'Malley. I would support Clinton or Sanders if nominated.

I would almost certainly support Chafee or Webb (though I have significant reservations about both).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. What would happen to the economy if Wall Street was literally destroyed...

What would happen to the economy if Wall Street was literally destroyed and the value of all stocks were literally driven to zero?

[Recursion]

81. That would mean all publicly-traded corporations would have a book value of literally zero (nt)

[Spazito]

99. For one thing, the complete loss of pension funds invested...

pension funds supporting a good percentage of the "99%" so many say they are trying to help. The massive loss of jobs when corporations go bankrupt, jobs held by many of the 99% but, hey, it will hurt the billionaires too and that's what counts, right!

[djean111]

112. And that is a great reason to not let Wall Street get its hands on Social Security.

I suppose we should also not support solar because pension funds are invested in fossil-fuel-generated power and nuclear power, too, right?
The Wall Street construct seems to now be that companies must increase profits quarterly, even though that eventually just translates to putting employees out of work. And any regulations that impede that profit must be gotten rid of, no matter the cost.

Wall Street should just be renamed Ouroboros. It will deconstruct eventually, pulling everyone down with it. And the 1% will just order some more champagne.

[Spazito]

121. I completely agree, SS should NOT be privatized and used to invest in the market...

Wall Street needs to be strongly regulated as opposed to 'destroyed', corporations taxed at a level commensurate with their profits as should their shareholders and executives.

The only way that can possibly happen is for the left to elect enough Democrats to both the House and the Senate. A President, any President, cannot change the things needing change without the support of both. I see no discussion of down ticket elections at all yet it is those races that will actually be the deciding factor at what changes, negative or positive, will be brought to fruition.

[Hoppy]

115. I doubt the intent is to destroy Wall Street.

Rather, to change tax structure, restore Glass-Seigall and level the playing field.

[frylock]

173. It's always going to be a binary choice for people with conservative mindsets..

either leave it as is, or burn it down. No gray area.

[Martin Eden]

172. Define before you ask.

I want a president who supports "Wall Street" defined as a system that provides essential financial services and sound investments with the necessary structure and regulations to prevent the kind of schmes and fraud that crashed our economy and devastated homeowners while bailing out banks too big to fail.

I DO NOT want a president who has a cozy relationship with the schemers, accepts big campaign donations from them, and will pay lip service to reform while failing to push for the regulations and changes necessary to achieve the better system defined above.

[daybranch]

184. I thought about it, and I answer "Not over the people".

When Wall Street and big banks put the people at risk and actually harm the people as they did with derivatives, I do not support them. I want Glass-Steagall regulations re-instituted. Wall Street is incapable of regulating itself as shown in the despair it has caused more than once.
Simple answer. Is that what you want?

[canoeist52]

8. He was right- the best resume for the GOP nomination.

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Why doesn't she switch parties. She'd be a shoo-in. Because after all, it is her turn!

[CreekDog]

104. No, she's pro choice, pro universal health care, pro environment

Pro regulation of markets

Pro paid sick and family leave time.

And the list of things disqualifying her from GOP consideration goes further.

Or did you mean that in jest?

[Hoppy]

123. She's pro regulation of markets?

Bill signed the law that abolished Glass-Steigall. That led to the crash of 2008. She gets millions in donations from Wall Street executives. Are you seriously believing she is for regulation of markets?

[canoeist52]

139. No I meant that for reals.

As an old-time Swamp Yankee centrist republican - social liberal, fiscal conservative, she could be a voice of reason for republican and independently-minded conservative voters who are disenchanted with the rabid women-hating bible-thumping blow-hards representing the clown party.

[CreekDog]

164. You said she'd be a shoo-in to win theRepublican nomination???

And then you tell us that you were serious, meaning she'd win the nomination as Republican so liberal that they are extinct or nearly so.

And you're serious that she's a shoo-in?

Way to destroy your credibility? Who do yiu support?

--Before you answer consider that you are probably going to hurt their chances by saying anything else.

[canoeist52]

174. With a name other than Clinton, and if she were male...

on her issue-stances alone, I'd stand by my premise that she'd be a shoo-in.

[Gothmog]

155. Do you really believe this?

So being a Democratic Senator and the Secretary of State for a Democratic POTUS has no value to you?

[canoeist52]

159. There are liberals and conservatives in politics.

Democratic and Republican candidates need to choose sides. Fence-sitters are becoming irrelevant.

[CreekDog]

165. You're saying there are just two groups

And in the same sentence, that there are centrists too.

I hope it's clearer in your head than it is in your words.

[Hekate]

162. The RW hates her with a passion, always has. From Gingrich to Rove to now they've spread lies...

....that get picked up by the MSM and spread even by people who claim to be left wing. Such people are willing tools, repeating RW talking points and thinking they invented them by themselves.

[CreekDog]

166. No no no, canoelist says she's a shoo i n for the GOP nomination

I thought they were kidding but they assured me that she'd win as a yankee Republican.

[Hekate]

177. This thread is giving me a headache

The level of ignorance, delusion, and irrational hatred is astounding. Thank the gods DU is not representative of the actual Democratic Party.

[CreekDog]

183. Thank God many DU'ers view of reality is not reality

[stevenleser]

238. If he actually said that, you might have a point. nt

[pangaia]

13. She may have all that.

But I think she is the front runner to a great degree because of her name recognition, she was the only one running for. what. years?, and she has the $$.

[Bohemianwriter]

41. She's got the party machine...

MSM, and the establishment with her.

She was also the first one to throw in her bid.

How do you think her popularity will be after the first debate against the others?

[daybranch]

65. Nixon also had the best resume

Hillary is a loser on the issues people care about. For that reason alone, she will lose to a candidate that speaks out for us and for himself. You just do not get it, we Bernie supporters are not taken in by glitzy campaigns, the republican candidate circus, or early polling. We work for ourselves when we work for Bernie. Hillary not too much. We want a better future for our kids and so far we find nothing about Hillary that assures us she is doing anything but applying band aids to protect the oligarchs and their rule. She comes across as untrustworthy for two reasons first we went to this movie before with slick Willie, a title well deserved as he sold us out, and most importantly her stands on the issues reflect a strong bias in favor of the oligarchy over the people. She is dying now as is the established democratic party and the newly progressive democratic party is arising. We are the big tent party, a party of consistent progressive populist values. I almost feel sorry for Hillary as she see her problem to be sexism when in fact she uses sexism to arouse her audience. We care nothing about her hair or Bernie's. No mater how hard she tells us republicans treated her badly, her avenging victim act does not work.
Hillary will never challenge the oligarchy on significant economic matters. We know this and that is her known flaw. Go Bernie!

[kelliekat44]

101. Obviously many here have not been paying attention. Hillary is great on the issues most people care

about. And her vote on Iraq matched that of other Dem highly thought of pols. In order to beat the opposition sometimes you have be in position to do so. The clarion cry then was soft of war, soft on Islam, anti-American, weak etc. Some who voted against Iraq were tossed out. I think intelligent people can learn from their mistakes but if you are someone like Trump who claims to make no mistakes and is right on everything...leaving no room for learning.

[stevenleser]

239. And compared to modern Repugs he was much better. Even considering watergate and that crap.

He was a billion times smarter than Reagan or either Bush. That's for sure.

[jonno99]

78. Let'ws be honest - HRC is the front runner because she is the wife of the very popular WJ Clinton.

If not for that fact, virtually no one would even know her name.

[sufrommich]

80. " because she is the wife of the very popular WJ Clinton"

[jonno99]

82. You got that right...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

248. Maybe she's an appendage of her husband...

After all the Bible says Eve was made from Adam's rib and consequently a woman will always be inferior to and an ad junct to a man.

[jonno99]

275. No, she is simply a priviledged candidate. She's got a huge head-start because

she was a president's spouse. I'm not saying that is a bad thing - or even that it invalidates her candidacy. I'm simply stating it as a fact. Without those beginnings she would simply be one of many thousands of other political activist lawyers seeking public office.

The question is: are her credentials adequate? What elevates her above other candidates with similar accomplishments? Does she have the temperament and leadership skills to be the chief executive? I would argue that her resume is thin - compared to Bernie & OM...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

277. I would argue her resume is anything but thin...

I would argue that her resume is thin - compared to Bernie & OM...

Res ipsa loquitur:

-Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973

-In 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C

-In 1977, Rodham cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund. Later that year, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had been the 1976 campaign director of field operations in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.

-Following her husband's November 1978 election as Governor of Arkansas, Rodham became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for twelve years (1979–1981, 1983–1992). Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year,where she secured federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas's poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

-From 1982 to 1988, Clinton was on the board of directors, sometimes as chair, of the New World Foundation, which funded a variety of New Left interest groups. From 1987 to 1991, she was the first chair of the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession

-Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992)

-In January 1993, Bill appointed Hillary to head the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, hoping to replicate the success she had in leading the effort for Arkansas education reform.

- Along with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, she was a force behind the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents could not provide them with health coverage, and conducted outreach efforts on behalf of enrolling children in the program once it became law.

-She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

- Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.

-In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

-In 1999, she was instrumental in the passage of the Foster Care Independence Act, which doubled federal monies for teenagers aging out of foster care.


-As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),on Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997), and on Children and Adolescents (2000) She also hosted the first-ever White House Conference on Teenagers (2000) and the first-ever White House Conference on Philanthropy (1999).


-She served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002), Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009),Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009),Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)and Special Committee on Aging. She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (2001–2009)


_Clinton spent her initial days as Secretary of State telephoning dozens of world leaders and indicating that U.S. foreign policy would change direction: "We have a lot of damage to repair." She advocated an expanded role in global economic issues for the State Department and cited the need for an increased U.S. diplomatic presence, especially in Iraq where the Defense Department had conducted diplomatic missions.

BTW, please share with me Senator Sanders' impressive resume.

Thank you in advance.

I know he was the mayor of a city that literally has a smaller population than the Southern California suburb I live in and is a senator from a homogeneous hamlet that has roughly the same population as a congressional district of which there are 435 in the United States

[jonno99]

278. Don't get me wrong - that is a fine resume. And Hillary could be a fine president,

but the fact is that by virtue of her association with Bill Clinton she has a leg-up, an advantage - call it what you will - over the rest of the Democrat field.

My two cents...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

279. The same advantage enjoyed by JFK, RFK, EMK, and FDR for starters

The same advantage enjoyed by JFK, RFK, and FDR for starters and we are all better off for their leadership and contributions.

[Spazito]

105. I just ran across another post using the same dismissive descriptor...

this one said "Bill Clinton's wife". This must be the new meme being tried out to denigrate Hillary Clinton, it will fail spectacularly as have the others but they will keep trying.

[sufrommich]

109. It has the opposite affect than they think it will,just like their

attacks on BLM does.

[Spazito]

114. I agree, it hurts their preferred candidate so much more ....

yet there is a level of obliviousness that is quite astounding.

[MADem]

124. "Bill Clinton's wife" has more years in service to the nation on the national stage than

her husband did. He had eight years in national office. She served from 2001 to 2009 as a Senator, and 2009 to 2013 as a SECSTATE. Yes, he was a governor, but that's not the national stage--his profile was local/regional, for the most part.

[Spazito]

126. I know, it is a juvenile attempt, not the first unfortunately, to denigrate her...

painting her as merely an appendage on the arm of her husband. There are very few supporters of any of the candidates that will find that new meme anything but disgusting, imo.

[Hekate]

180. "The little lady". barf

[Spazito]

181. Yep, no sexism there, nosirree...

both juvenile and blatantly sexist, all in one go, how proud they must be.

[lumpy]

201. Investigate her work resume. Do you live in Patigonia?

[sufrommich]

202. WTF does that even mean? nt

[lumpy]

203. My post was meant to go to another poster. I am truly sorry.

[sufrommich]

204. lol. I have done that before too. No problem.nt

[stevenleser]

240. They really can't help it, can they? Their kneejerk reactions throw women, POC, whoever else under

the bus if they think it will help Bernie.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

250. Running around with your hair on fire braying about the one percent...

Running around with your hair on fire braying about the one percent doesn't make a person progressive, showing genuine respect for people regardless of their race, religion, gender, or orientation does.

The subtle and not so subtle denigration of women in this thread is quite revealing to some but not to me because I have seen this all before.

[LeFleur1]

87. Not Surprising

This comment that Hillary only got where she is on Bill's coat tails is the crap women have had to put up with all their lives. If she hadn't been married to Bill he probably never would have been President. Her education is as good as his. Her good works are as good as his. Her health care program was better than his...or Obama's for that matter. Hillary would have made it to the top regardless. Shes's smart, she's strong, she works hard, and she is willing to work for America, with those inclined, on both sides of the aisle. She's not sneaky as those people with a sneaky bent want to paint her. Bernie? A good man. And although he's further left than Hillary, their dreams for America are much the same.

GOOOO HILLARY!

[Carolina]

283. No she would not have made it without Bill.

Women like Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Barbara Mikulski were the real deal; Hillary, not so much.

In 2008, she touted her 20 years of experience, but they were largely based on 12 as first lady of Arkansas and 8 as first lady of the US. By claiming the Clinton Presidency legacy, which belonged to BILL, then she had to assume blame for that job sucking travesty NAFTA, for the Gramm-Bliley-Leech Act which overturned Glass-Steagall, for the Telecommunications Act which has produced the horrid consolidated media of today, and for Welfare Deform which has deepened the abyss of poverty. What a great record.

Then, she is the mistress of triangulation who can truly count among her alleged accomplishments helping to found the DLC. She remains 3rd way to her very core. And as I wrote down thread, she is tone deaf and thin skinned (demonstrated during her disastrous 2008 primary campaign when she went so far as to praise McCain) and lacks the natural political skills and charisma of Bill.


She is no pave-the-way feminist and truly is where she is today because of Bill. After law school, she worked briefly on the Nixon impeachment committee, but she was no heavy hitter, she didn’t pass the DC Bar, and she didn’t last long there. So what did she do? She ran off to Arkansas! To Arkansas… who goes there, who goes from Yale to DC to Hope, Arkansas if they are such a gifted and talented attorney? Why not return to her suburban Chicago home to practice law? Nooooo, she followed Bill because she recognized his innate talents and his rising star quality, and she latched on to him. She ultimately made it to the Senate because of being Mrs./First Lady Clinton not because of being Attorney Hillary Rodham. Her only real lawyering was shilling for Walmart (a corporate lawyer for WALMART… so much walking the talk of being the people’s champion) and at the Rose Law Firm, she relied heavily on Vince Foster!

The truth is not sexist; it's just he truth

[askew]

132. Yep.

She carpetbagged into a Senate seat in NYC and cleared the primary based on being Bill's wife. No other candidate could have gotten that done.

Her time in the Senate was completely unremarkable. Obama accomplished more than her in the Senate in 1/2 the time. Yet, when she ran in 2008, she claimed he was the unaccomplished and inexperienced one.

Her time at State was mixed with no major accomplishments to show for it outside the Iran Sanctions. Kerry has already eclipsed her achievements in less time with significant deals on Cuba, Iran, Syria, China climate change, etc.

If she wasn't Bill's wife and people weren't so afraid to piss off the Clintons, someone on the Dem side would have called her out for her lack of real achievements by now.

[CreekDog]

190. so you feel that Bobby Kennedy carpetbagged his Senate seat in NY?

and got there primarily based on being JFK's brother?

do tell.

[askew]

195. Who gives a fuck? Is he running for president claiming to be the most

experience and accomplished candidate in history? No, than who cares?

Hillary's supporters inability to respond to criticism without deflection or blaming someone else is troubling.

[CreekDog]

200. Because if she's the first person you are making this comment about

i call BS that it's based on principle.

[askew]

223. I wasn't even alive when Bobby Kennedy was so Hillary is the first person in

my lifetime that carpetbagged that blatantly and ran on her husband's name for Senate.

[Gothmog]

156. Hillary Clinton has done a great deal on her own

Being elected to the Senate in a major state and serving as Secretary of State are things that she accomplished on her own

[Hekate]

179. That's appallingly sexist. HRC has spent her entire adult life working for the betterment ...

...of women and children, specifically, and everyone everywhere. It was those concerns that brought her to the attention of the RW back when she was a very young lawyer -- they mocked and derided her at every turn for talking about "children's rights," because it is RW gospel that children are the property of their parents and have no rights.

When her husband was first elected president she lobbied for his health care plan (which I believe she helped to write), and the RW bloodied her indeed. How dare she have the nerve to do more than wear white gloves and serve tea in the White House.

She has a long history working for human rights and social justice, and since then has been elected US Senator and been appointed Secretary of State, so she has credentials in foreign policy that are better than any other candidate on either side except perhaps Jim Webb.

Disagree with her on policy. Fine. But if she had never met Bill Clinton, she still would have carved out a distinguished career as a lawyer, and still would have entered politics.

Why not just call her "the little lady" and be done with it?

[jonno99]

185. I don't dispute anything that you wrote - except that it is not sexist - it is reality

Hillary is in the "priviledged" place she is today because she is a the former first lady of a popular president. I agree that had she never met Bill, she would she would most likely still have been a successfully lawyer - working for some think tank, or some other cause - like 100,000 other lawyers.

But I do not think she would have gotten very far in politics. Why? rightly or wrongly she generates high negatives and playing the poluiticiqan does not come natural to her; she is not like Bill. Even those who don't like Bill's politics like him as a person he has the "folksiness" and likeableness that Hillary lacks.

My two cents...

[stevenleser]

241. As I said to suffromich above, they just can't help themselves.

They really think they are helping Bernie with it too.

[lumpy]

197. My my. Hilary is well known nation wide because of her national jobs or

are you not aware of the vital national positions she has held? Where have you been?

[Jemmons]

98. She has painted herself into a corner - the election is hers to lose

If she had a better appetite for risk and conflict, it could had been a god thing for her to lead in pols. But she is risk averse, careful and self protective enough already. She will probably do better if or when she is behind Sanders in more pols. Like in 2008, after falling behind Obama.
I dont like the way that Donald Trump think or talk, but he knows how to manage his reactions to risk. Its not pretty but it works. For him.

[Gothmog]

154. She has been running a far different campaign than 2008

Her campaign has been attacking Jeb, Trump and the rest of the GOP field on a consistent basis with good attacks. It was only a short time after Jeb made his comment that the Us does not need to spend a half billion on women's health issues that the campaign was out with some good material attacking Jeb's stupid comments.

[Jemmons]

178. The goodness of an attack lies in it ability to stop or slow down your adversary. Or at least boost

the morale in your own troops. Has she done any of that? And womans issues should be her home turf. Defending womans health issues is not really offensive campaigning for her. And Jeb is the brother of the ex-prez, not the GOP front runner. And Hillary should not take her primary victory for granted and pivot to the general election. As long as she is not doing really spectacularly in the primaries, she should focus on doing that. If her campaign is different this time, I dont really se how it is any better than last time around. Or specifically any less risk averse.

[frylock]

171. Is Rubio the go-to guy for political insight?

[SonderWoman]

5. Well said. The coronation only existed in their heads.

And no other candidate is even close to as qualified.

[Gore1FL]

12. Is that really the story you want to stick with?

10 years of government experience really makes one more qualified than say 30?

[SonderWoman]

24. "30 years of govt experience"

[Gore1FL]

95. Sanders has that: he was first elected in the 1980s. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. She has a nearly forty five year public career.

eom

[artislife]

86. Sorry--but this is not exactly "kosher"

Her jobs before as a lawyer, etc don't count. I notice the careful wording, at least you are not as flagrant as others.

She was first elected as a public servant in 2000 as a senator from New York. The supporters of Hillary always pad her resume and usually discount others. It is a very strange phenomenon.

[A Simple Game]

90. I hate to do this but in Hillary's defense she was considered the

co-President for 8 years, that should count for something. Or did she lose that designation when she screwed up the health care reform she tried to negotiate in secret.

Wait... does that mean she can't run again? Or can she only serve for 4 years? Quick, let's get "The Donald" on this.

[artislife]

136. No

just no


heh

[askew]

137. No, it doesn't count. Lordy, she doesn't get credit for that.

Stop giving her credit for Bill's work and accomplishments.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

103. Ironically she might be the first candidate in history who is overqualified for the job.

-Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973

-In 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C

-In 1977, Rodham cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund. Later that year, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had been the 1976 campaign director of field operations in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.

-Following her husband's November 1978 election as Governor of Arkansas, Rodham became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for twelve years (1979–1981, 1983–1992). Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year,where she secured federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas's poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

-From 1982 to 1988, Clinton was on the board of directors, sometimes as chair, of the New World Foundation, which funded a variety of New Left interest groups. From 1987 to 1991, she was the first chair of the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession

-Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992)

-In January 1993, Bill appointed Hillary to head the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, hoping to replicate the success she had in leading the effort for Arkansas education reform.

- Along with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, she was a force behind the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents could not provide them with health coverage, and conducted outreach efforts on behalf of enrolling children in the program once it became law.

-She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

- Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.

-In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

-In 1999, she was instrumental in the passage of the Foster Care Independence Act, which doubled federal monies for teenagers aging out of foster care.


-As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),on Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997), and on Children and Adolescents (2000) She also hosted the first-ever White House Conference on Teenagers (2000)[164] and the first-ever White House Conference on Philanthropy (1999).


-She served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),[221] Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009),Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009),Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)and Special Committee on Aging.[223] She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (2001–2009)


_Clinton spent her initial days as Secretary of State telephoning dozens of world leaders and indicating that U.S. foreign policy would change direction: "We have a lot of damage to repair." She advocated an expanded role in global economic issues for the State Department and cited the need for an increased U.S. diplomatic presence, especially in Iraq where the Defense Department had conducted diplomatic missions.

[Gore1FL]

94. I don't think being married to someone with a career counts

That's like saying Neil deGrasse Tyson's wife has a background in astrophysics.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. "I don't think being married to someone with a career counts."

"I don't think being married to someone with a career counts."

The 1950s beckons...I am certain you will figure that out , eventually...

[sufrommich]

122. It's almost unbelievable and ugly as hell. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. The older I get the more I realize how some progressives really aren't all that progressive...

The older I get the more I realize how some progressives really aren't all that progressive or are selectively progressive. On the other hand our interlocutor could cite the Book Of Genesis where it states that God made Eve from Adam's rib and that women will consequently always be inferior to and an ad junct of a man.

[sufrommich]

128. There's a reason the term "brogressive" exists. nt

[Hekate]

187. I had not heard that term before, but it sure fits....

I'm as disgusted as I was when it first dawned on me that the Left harbors a middling-wide streak of anti-Semitism.

[CreekDog]

167. Jesus

wtf

[Gore1FL]

210. He didn't exist, but if he did, Hillary would have a better resume' than him. n/t

[Hekate]

182. How dare the little lady have a law degree and a burgeoning career while being a governor's wife?

Doesn't she know she's supposed to give teas for the Southern ladies in the Governor's mansion? Ah do declayah she even kept her maiden name.

I could go on, but the social crimes of that little lady are too numerous to list. But I heard >shhh< that she's really one of them lesbians.

And so it goes.

[Gore1FL]

188. Having a law degree is a resume item, to be sure.

How does it make her have a better resume than someone with over 30 years experience, again?

[Hekate]

189. She's got 45 years experience. If you choose to turn a blind eye, that's a personal problem.

[Gore1FL]

206. What did she do from 1992-2000? n/t

[Hekate]

211. She was just a little lady in white gloves having teas for other little ladies

If you can't see beyond your stereotypes, that is a personal problem.

[Gore1FL]

214. I never claimed she had the best resume of the crowd.

She doesn't. She has 10-12 years of political experience. To claim she has more requires that "First Lady of the U.S" and "First Lady of AR" to be resume' items

I think it is silly to call those experience. Otherwise, think of the resume' Laura Bush has!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

252. What did she do from 1992-2000? n/t

What did she do from 1992-2000? n/t

-In January 1993, Bill appointed Hillary to head the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, hoping to replicate the success she had in leading the effort for Arkansas education reform.

- Along with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, she was a force behind the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents could not provide them with health coverage, and conducted outreach efforts on behalf of enrolling children in the program once it became law.

-She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

- Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.

-In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

-In 1999, she was instrumental in the passage of the Foster Care Independence Act, which doubled federal monies for teenagers aging out of foster care.


-As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),on Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997), and on Children and Adolescents (2000) She also hosted the first-ever White House Conference on Teenagers (2000) and the first-ever White House Conference on Philanthropy (1999)

[Gore1FL]

285. Thank you. That's the first actual answer anyone has posted. n/t

[CreekDog]

191. Her record in politics is far more than being married to Bill Clinton

for a moment i thought we'd have to prove that you were ignorant of the subject of Hillary Clinton, but you've just proven it for us.

[Gore1FL]

207. Yeah. She was SOS and Senator.

That accounts for 10-15 years of political service. How does that end up being the bestest most awesomest resume's eveh?

[Gore1FL]

219. I attempted to say she had 10-12 years of experience.

Which is pretty much what I said. (8)Senator + (4)Sec of State = 12 years. 10 < 12 < 15

If I was unclear, I apologize. It's odd you would think I would attempt to skew that. Who here doesn't know she was a Senator before SOS?

By being able to do math and counting on people having common knowledge, I "tried to make her supporters out to be liars." I'm sorry, but that's the funniest fucking thing I've read on DU, possibly ever. It's a shame you were trying so hard to be serious...

[CreekDog]

192. Neil deGrasse Tyson's wife is accomplished in her own right, as is Hillary

Hillary has the same educational background and if anything, different political experiences than Bill, but at the same time, she has had the benefit of understanding the presidency in a fairly intimate way, as few candidates, save a few VP's, have.

But the idea that you can discount her entire career as "being married to Bill Clinton" is laughable.

It's as if you think that every married woman whose husband has held a higher position in same vocation is simply a "tag along", grifting off his work and his career.

It's one of the most sexist things I've read on DU and congratulations, you wrote it.

But it's not only sexist it's ignorant. Instead of actual knowledge, you post ignorance, saying that all she's done is been married to Bill Clinton, and you actually believe that you're right.

Is that some kind of male privilege where you get to think you're right just because of who you are? It certainly is not based on any facts.

[Gore1FL]

208. She is. But she doesn't have his experience by osmosis.

I am not the one making a claim she has an unbeatable resume in comparison to others.

[CreekDog]

216. no wonder you're posting this nonsense:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4536538

[Gore1FL]

218. Ad Hominem. Awesome.

Please, spell out Clinton's unmatched Resume'

Support the claim rather than attacking me. Otherwise, I'll assume you concede the point.

[CreekDog]

220. nah, totally relevant. you have played games on gender topics before

tonight you're really going for it though.

[Gore1FL]

221. This has nothing to do with gender. You cannot support the claim her resume is superior.

Scouting DU to come up with an attack on me rather than simply supporting your post speaks volumes to your argument or the lack there of.

Honestly, wouldn't it have been easier to google for something to actually advance your cause than simply scour DUsfor random post to attack me? You must know deep down your claims are inflated, otherwise, why are you ignoring the obvious research and instead focusing that same effort on being malicious?

Do what you want, it's your time. Whether or not I think it is silly and slighting psychotic is really not the point.

[Hekate]

242. Quoting you back to yourself is not what an ad hominem attack is. Sheesh. Also, no evidence ...

....given about Hillary (or, apparently, the status of straight white males) will convince you. Your mind is made up, and closed.

[Gore1FL]

245. Taking an out-of-context post from years ago instead of supporting an argument

Wouldn't it be easier to provider supportive links to the argument rather than try to tear down the person challenging the argument?

Obviously the argument is unsupported, if not unsupportable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

256. Can someone please tell me what this even means ?

Can someone please tell me what this even means?

Not sure that as a straight White Male, I have life easier than:

Rachel Maddow
Elton John
Albert Pujols
Will.I.am

Please advise.

Thank you in advance.

[sufrommich]

267. It means that some are invested in pretending that

white privilege means something it doesn't mean.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

270. Kind of odd...

If you compare regular folks to celebrities , regular folks are always going to come up wanting. That's why you compare things to like things like comparing regular folks to other regular folks.

[sufrommich]

273. Yes,but that would defeat the purpose

of deliberately misunderstanding it's meaning.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

274. Never try to convince somebody

Never try to convince somebody that something isn't right when a person's whole worldview depends on it being right.

[askew]

133. Or in O'Malley's case, 15 years of executive experience

certainly trumps Hillary's 10 years of experience as a backbencher Senator who did almost nothing and SoS who spent most of her time on a goodwill tour.

If it was based on years of experience, we'd just run Patrick Leahy. Hasn't he been in the Senate the longest now?

[Gothmog]

157. Has anyone in Congress endorsed Sanders yet?

These are the people who know him best. I looking forward to the list of his fellow Senators and members of congress who have endorsed his run.

[Gore1FL]

209. I suspect Sanders will be voting for himself.

What does this have to do with resume'?

[Gothmog]

224. His fellow senators and the members of congress who have worked with him will have an opinion

The fact that not one of his fellow Senators nor any member of the House will endorse Sanders is telling

[Gore1FL]

228. They won't or haven't?

And what does this have to do with Hillary Clinton's resume'?

[Gothmog]

244. Look at the contrast to Hillary Clinton

To date she has 118 current members and 15 former members

[Gore1FL]

246. And still has a short resume, which was the point I was challenging.

If you'd like to start a thread about endorsements, please feel free. Unlike this thread, it sounds like your argument may actually be grounded in fact.

[longship]

9. Your title is illogical.

If she has earned it, how is that not being "entitled"? That's utter poppycock.

My position is that the only way to be entitled is to be elected. Any other argument is empty headed rhetoric. Sadly, politics is rife with empty headed rhetoric.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Being the frontrunner isn't its own form of qualification for the Presidency.

And as we've seen before with this candidate; being frontrunner at this point doesn't mean a whole lot.

[CreekDog]

193. well what it does mean is that she has greater support among the party members

than anyone else.

and one isn't "appointed" or "anointed" to widespread support. she has it because she has more support than other candidates and yes, she's earned that.

to argue otherwise is to argue that her supporters are unserious, or somehow less legitimate in choosing a frontrunner.

[sufrommich]

11. The whole "her royal highness","queen Hillary"meme is sexist.

The only people claiming she's "entitled" or expects to be "crowned" are the people who hate her.Her ambition is suspect because she's a woman.I've never seen the any of those words used to describe men running for president.It's more progressive tone deafness in a primary where simmering prejudices are being exposed.

[pipoman]

18. I can't think of a presidential nominee who was more hated and reviled

By the general public....nor by so many within their own party, than Hillary...the chances of Hillary winning the nomination are nil...

[sufrommich]

19. She polls much higher than anyone within her party.

They only demographic that Bernie Sanders even comes close to her in the Democratic party is with white males.

[pipoman]

40. Polls...

The actual campaign hasn't started yet and 90% of the public hasn't given it a thought yet.

[SonderWoman]

22. What? She has HUGE approval from her own party.

And leads in all demographics. What news shows are you watching?

[pipoman]

43. She also is more hated within the party than any candidate I can ever remember...

Look right here on DU...I can't remember a D frontrunner with more negative sentiment on DU since I've been here. Again, the campaign hasn't begun for most of the public.

[SonderWoman]

46. DU is not the real world.

[oasis]

50. Not all DU posters are Democrats (eom)

[Cha]

55. "..Right here on DU.." give us a break. Du isn't the real world. They hate Pres Obama, too..

The country appreciates him as I do .. I don't care what BS has to say about it.

[davidpdx]

91. The DU hates President Obama meme is getting old

You and Sheshe have said that to and about a lot of people in a broad smear on DU. As I have said before the snotty snark is getting old.

[840high]

226. Thank you. +1

[Metric System]

56. Polls say otherwise. Hillary is very popular with actual Democrats. DU is not the real world,

although DU's owners DO support her.

[A Simple Game]

100. Maybe you should let these people know, they are saying something different.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/07/16/ap-gfk-poll-clintons-standing-falls-among-democrats

[Metric System]

143. That poll shows a 70% approval among Democrats.

[CreekDog]

194. She isn't. I wonder why you continue to confuse your thoughts...

with those of the average Democrat's.

certainly your experiences here have shown you that you have little in common with most Democrats, politically speaking.

most of the arguments you get into here are reflective of that.

[pipoman]

196. Only in your mind...please dont send any more nastiest pm's either stalking isn't becoming...

[Bohemianwriter]

45. The suspision against her is that she has corporate donors...

She has also proven that she is not too good to use dirty tactics like she did against Obama in 2008, practically giving birth to the Birther movement.

If not trusting her is sexist, then hating Thatcher must be incredibly sexist.

And it's rich talking about sexism when you throw out sexist things like "Bernie is only supported by older white men"..

Right! Bernie gets support because he is not a woman, not because he speaks WITH the American people and not above you like Hillary does.

I mean, do you trust someone who answers a question with "elect me as president and I will answer your question"...?

Calling her a queen is not sexist. It's pointing out the political monarchy many support. Whether it's for the Bushies, or the Clintons.

I call the English queen the Welfare Queen of Buckinham. She is a queen, and she lives off the tax payers dime. And got plenty of heat the last time she visited Ireland and Dublin. I saw that one first hand.

[NanceGreggs]

79. So ......

Hillary "practically gave rise to the birther movement"?

Did anyone say that "not trusting HRC is "sexist"?

Pointing out that BS does well in the older white male demographic is "sexist"?

Hillary "speaks above you" - ever consider that's your problem, rather than hers?

Calling her a "queen" is pointing out a "political monarchy" - how is it a "monarchy" when she has to earn votes, same as any other politician, in order to be elected?

The English queen is an apt comparison? When has HRC "lived off the taxpayers' dime"? She got paid a salary for her gov't positions, and her personal income was earned - not handed over by taxpayers.

This post is so full of "duh" it's mind-boggling!

[lumpy]

205. Hear hear Nance

[Bohemianwriter]

286. So what are your indications then?

The Clintons have made hundred million dollars from their run in Office. She wants to have the same job as her husband had. Seems that Americans are addicted to political royalties like the rest.

They have corporate donors.

And you seem to suffer from selective memory from the 2008 campaign.

And so far, she is loosing voters by the day.

Why?

TPP! She championed draconian laws that specifically targeted minorities.

And a few other things that her most staunch supporters would rather have shoved under the rug.


So!

If wars abroad is your thing! Vote for Clinton!
If taking money from Wall Street makes you a fair leader who will hold Wall Street criminals accountable, then give your trust to Hillary.
If you would have a president who would rather speak to white people because she didn't like how BLM asked questions, then by all means! She has earned your vote! Wear that support like a badge of honor!
If still pushing for punitive policies against pot smokers is your thing. By all means. Don't be bashful!

I am sure the 10 dollars from you will be greatly appreciated. She will need it. Her plan is apparently to get 2.5 billion dollars to play campaign with. Your ten dollars will be a valuable asset to her campaign machine while she avoids debates.

[NanceGreggs]

288. You forgot the BIGGIE ...

"If you want to support HRC, who practically started the Birther Movement against Obama ..."

You lost me days ago with that little gem - so needless to say, I am not interested in anything else you want to ramble on about.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about - and there's really no need to keep demonstrating that fact.

[Bohemianwriter]

290. Did Hillary start it by throwing poison in the well

by asking for Obamas birth certificate or not?
Are you denying that she was the one starting the whole birther deal in 2008?

If that was not a dog whistle only used by REPUBLICANS you are blind to the flaws of your own candidate.
And nothing more than a republican lite.
Sanders embodies DEMOCRATIC and progressive values.

Hillary embodies republican policies of the 90's.

[A Simple Game]

88. Never heard it before? It's used all the time with the Republican candidates.

It was used with Romney and McCain, before them Nixon, I could probably think of more if I took the time.

[Picking Dem]

116. It was never her being a woman. It was her policies that sucked.

And her voting history, as short as it may be, is not a very good one when it comes to key issues.

[pipoman]

15. Every election cycle starts with the most obvious candidates

And almost always ends with someone who is a little more obscure. Very seldom has the first frontrunner 2 years out won the nomination....especially when the frontrunner needs a separate plane while traveling to carry the baggage....

The campaign is barely underway....stay calm it's a long race...

[quickesst]

16. Anointed, chosen one.....

....entitled, the coronation, etc is simple minded crap created by the anti-Hillary faction to bolster their doubts and fears that Bernie can't win. It's something you would likely hear from Faux News, and they're probably a little miffed they didn't think of it first.

[Dawgs]

26. Sorry, but it's her supporters that have been telling everyone that the race is over.

That's she guaranteed to win.

That she should stop worrying about the race for the nomination and should focus on the general.

It's all over DU and has been for months.

[quickesst]

47. Bullshit

That's just showing a confidence in their candidate that she will win. It's the same confidence that Bernie's supporters have been touting for him. I'm surprised you didn't know that. "It's all over DU and has been for months." "In other words", "So what you're saying is", etc doesn't fly here. The craptastic memes I referred to are exclusive products of the anti-Hillary crowd. Own it.

[Dawgs]

54. Got it. Her supporters suggesting that she should skip the primary is perfectly fine to you. n/t

[quickesst]

102. I don't think...

...anyone here said that, and if they did, it was probably a retort to one of the goofy memes invented by her, to put it mildly, detractors. Nice deflection from my previous post though. But, I have read posts from Bernie supporters wanting, wishing, and damn near demanding that she drop out because "she can't win". "She's a corporate shill", etc. Here's the thing. When it comes to this line of rhetoric, it's easy to mirror what's been said by a candidates supporters. Back to the point of my original post concerning the " coronation" memes, Bernie Sanders supporters, as I've stated, own it.

[Bettie]

20. Since before she was even running

people were saying "she's the one", "it's her turn", etc.

Why is it so terrible to want a primary instead of a coronation?

I resent being told I have no choice but to toe the mark and do as I'm told.

[davidpdx]

93. Yep

That and "Hillary will be the nominee get over it."

It makes me want to pass out copies of How to win friends and influence people.

[Bettie]

108. Yeah, it isn't about maligning her

or sexism...it is about not wanting to be told that something is already over before it even starts.

While I probably won't support her in the caucus, I am about 99% certain that I'll vote for the eventual nominee (whoever it is) in the general election.

You'd think her supporters would be happy to see her getting out and getting her message out there, happy to see her hold her own and contrast her ideas with those of other candidates.

If she truly is the best choice, I'd think her supporters would welcome a chance to show it through contrast with the idea of less qualified candidates.

[840high]

227. ...^ that

[SheilaT]

21. Starting maybe two years ago

it was being held out that Hillary was the only possible choice. Along with strong hints that no one else had better even THINK about running to oppose her.

If that's not entitled or anointed, I don't know what is.

Along the way the Hillary supporters keep on darkly saying that anyone who opposes her nomination just shouldn't.

And eight years ago her supporters said very much the same thing, along with complete outrage that anyone think of running against her. They were the PUMAs, and those of you who don't recognize that word, look it up. There was a lot of genuine concern among Democrats that her staying in the race so long would seriously weaken Obama's chance of election.

Meanwhile, even this supposedly late in the game, four or five months out from the first primary or caucus, polling is still mostly a matter of name recognition. As Bernie gets out there and more people hear what he actually has to say, his support grows. He attracts such large crowds that venues need to be changed to accommodate more people. Where, pray tell, is that happening for any other candidate?

The Hillary supporters are trying to do what Republicans have been doing for a long time: select the next candidate well ahead of the nomination process. It works for them. It's not how we should even be thinking of doing it.

[SonderWoman]

23. Any links to those claims?

The coronation only existed in her haters heads.

[Dawgs]

29. You're obviously new here, so you haven't seen it yet.

But, her supporters are constantly telling us that the race is over and that she should start concentrating on the general.

Browse around a little bit and you will see it everywhere.

[SonderWoman]

31. Yeah okay. Find me one. Just one.

[progressoid]

64. "Mrs. Clinton can virtually have the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016"

Hillary 2013 Gives Way to ‘Hillary 2016’

[SonderWoman]

129. An article from 2013 is your proof?

[progressoid]

150. Yep. You said, "Find me one. Just one."

And since SheilaT said "starting two years ago", I found one from two years ago.

Funny that you aren't satisfied with one. Just one.

[sufrommich]

38. What a crock. The fact that Hillary is hugely popular within

the democratic party isn't "proof" that you weren't allowed another choice. There were no "strong hints" that nobody better dare run against her either.Your bitterness over Hillary being the frontrunner isn't proof that some great conspiracy made her the frontrunner.

[artislife]

92. People seem to forget what the beginning of the year was like

The general meme out in media land that Hillary was the dem. nom for 2016. It seemed very strange as if no one was going to run.
There was no talk floating from different candidate's people to test the waters even. Heck, it was the people themselves who said lets get someone else to run and let it be Elizabeth Warren.

This was strange. Finally people believed Warren when she said she wouldn't run and there was this feeling of ....this is it. We are going to run a dem who will have no challenger. For people who are not satisfied with her position on many crucial issues it felt like a lead balloon.

I think this is where the whole coronation meme told hold. It was if she was first born and that was that.

[SheilaT]

212. Yep. The general meme out there absolutely

was that Hillary was the one and the only one, and I am tired of the disingenuous claim that that was never indicated. Everyone knew that Hillary was going to run. Lots of us hoped Elizabeth Warren would, and were ecstatic when Bernie entered the race. I honestly wish O'Malley had a greater presence. It would be genuinely good if we could have real discussion and debate on the actual issues, with the candidates all stating exactly where they are. And no coy answers allowed. No "I'll decide if that's still an open issue after I'm elected" bullshit.

I will add that although I'm a Bernie supporter, I think posts that start with "When Bernie is President" are both arrogant and childish. None of us know for sure who the nominee will be at this point, no matter who we fervently hope is the nominee, and the election of our nominee is NOT guaranteed by any means.

[artislife]

215. We do tend to run like 5th graders

and sometimes younger in our demeanor.

We don't know, but I hope like hell it is Bernie. We just don't have time as a planet to gently turn and cruise towards environment helping solutions. We need to act now, if not 20 years ago.

How I wish Jimmy had won a second term.

[mylye2222]

32. No she hasn' t "earned" that much

She may have been a great FLOTUS but she would not be here if for Bill' s previous popularity, and therefore power of name recognition.

[sufrommich]

39. Sexist nonsense. I'm not surprised to see it here. nt

[Cha]

53. I'm not surprised, either.. they are desperate. It shows all over the board.

Trying to boost ann coulter's cred on DU.. as if anyone politically savvy would pay any attention to what she had to say.

[mylye2222]

59. I expzcted that...

Of course, any men and women who doesnt bow towards the Party' s powerstructure designated candidate is, of course "sexist"

Pathetic meme used to try to shutdown any "official doctrine" countender.

Not surprised....

[sufrommich]

60. Referring to her as "flotus" as if that was her accomplishment

as opposed to senator and Secretary of State is sexist.As is claiming that she'd be nothing without Bill Clinton working her like a puppet behind the scenes. It's sexist as hell and it's intentional.

[mylye2222]

66. Didnt she began to be popular and estimeed

nationwide when she was a First Lady???
Wasnt it following her FL tznure that she then began to run her own carreer? Didnt her husband handled her his great political connexions?

[sufrommich]

68. So? Why does that matter now? Since then

she's been a Senator and Secretary of State. Do you refer to Al Gore as "son of a senator"?

[artislife]

96. All since 2000

And she wouldn't have had the name recognition if she hadn't been First Lady. I don't know how you can say this isn't true.

I have voted for women in politics a lot. 2 senators and a governor. It isn't sexism to state that she was a First Lady and that isn't really a accomplishment. Laura Bush shouldn't be considered ready to be nominated...though she might be the sanest one if she did.

[sufrommich]

119. And Ted Kennedy wouldn't have had the name recognition

without having a brother who was president,or Al Gore without his Senator Father,or Al Franken without his celebrity,or FDR without his cousin Teddy. So fucking what? Never do I see any of them accused of riding the coattails into higher office,ever.Yes, she was first lady,she was also a senator and the Secretary of State.Twice now today I've seen posts claiming her popularity rests on the popularity of her husband,as if she were invisible.It's sexist as hell,I don't care who you've supported in the past.

[artislife]

176. I agree with all the examples except Al

That was his own making.

And so fucking what if you don't give a shit. (you make me roll! )

I don't think it is sexist, because she falls in line with the others you have posted about.

There is real sexism out there, your knee jerk response is weak.


weak!!

[Logical]

236. LOL, sexist your only excuse? Many people who hate Hillary love warren! Explain that! Nt

[Metric System]

144. Yeah, and maybe Bill wouldn't have been President if Hillary wasn't his wife.

[CreekDog]

198. they were pushing her to run in the 1980's actually

she was respected enough in her own right, to have done so, without Bill's help.

she sacrificed running in large part because she was financially supporting her family while Bill was a low-paid governor, and she also sacrificed her political ambitions so that he could pursue his.

[CreekDog]

199. says the poster who came to DU to call them "Billary"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10024436191&info=1#edits

I don't have time for this s...

[tk2kewl]

35. One word:

DEBATE

[Bohemianwriter]

36. She earned it allright...

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019


Do you think she will push to get money out of politics before anything else?

[SonderWoman]

48. Here:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409515/-Setting-the-Record-Straight-Hillary-Clinton-s-Campaign-Donors

[Bohemianwriter]

287. Proves a point, doesn't it?

[fbc]

37. Media ordained frontrunner supported by polls of uninterested voters.

Democrats that pay attention this long before an election overwhelmingly support Bernie Sanders. As election season progresses, Clinton's lead in these polls of people who think Biden and Warren are running will evaporate.

[The Green Manalishi]

44. Over on the conservative side, they use that same phrase towards Jeb!

A *lot* of the cons I know use "Entitled" or The Anointed One" to refer to Jeb, and they use it with exactly the same sense of snark if not hatred.

I'm in for Bernie but will - of course- vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, although I hate the idea of supporting anyone who voted for the war, and would never vote for her in the primary it's not like any republican would be better or even as bad.

[PatrickforO]

49. On 'Today' this morning, the talking heads glibly spoke of how

she is trying to 'reset' her campaign. When they start talking like that things are getting bad.

[askew]

140. Her favorables/trustworthy #s are baked in at this point.

You can't reset a campaign when the candidate has 100% name recognition and has been in the public eye for decades. People's negative opinions of her aren't going to become positive because her campaign "reset". They live in a bubble that doesn't understand how much of the country views her.

[OhWiseOne]

51. Hillary is our best chance to keep the White House

The repubs and delusional idealistic dems are praying for Bernie.

[RufusTFirefly]

62. Great example of winning the battle but losing the war.

Welcome to DU!

[JackInGreen]

52. Just like those lovely persons

In the 1%.
EARNED IT.

[tularetom]

57. If by "earned" you mean she started her campaign the day after the 2008 election

then I guess she has "earned" her front runner status.

For six years she was the presumed nominee, not because voters preferred her, but simply because there was nobody else.

It's name recognition.

[mylye2222]

67. Nailed it.

[RufusTFirefly]

69. It is name recognition. Hillary's got Joe-mentum

What's scary is that our fellow citizens are most likely to become "better informed" through advertising instead of through news.

[CreekDog]

107. I mean earned it by having the support of as many Democrats as she does

Do you want the nomination earned some other way or are all those Democrats getting in the way of what you think must happen

[tularetom]

131. I'm guessing a lot of "those Democrats" don't even know who else is running

But we've all been hearing about "Hillary Clinton" for at least the past 20 years.

And she has been running for president since 2007.

Nobody else entered the race until 2015, so she had an eight year head start on all possible contenders. She was raking in gobs of cash from people who believed there was no alternative.

She may have built up such a huge lead that she will hang on long enough to buy the nomination. But it's a long time before the convention and a lot of stuff can come out.

[CreekDog]

142. You're "guessing"? Let's clarify that it's not an educated guess

The polls don't indicate anything of the sort.

winning message by the way. Good luck with that, keep calling her voters stupid or uninformed and she might hire you --Bernie certainly won't, cause you aren't helping him.

[tularetom]

145. You have an amazing capacity to read things into a post

I didn't call anybody stupid. But since you brought it up, there are a lot of "low information voters" out there, and they aren't all republicans.

[raindaddy]

70. This is one of the few times gender isn't the issue...

Hillary Clinton exudes entitlement! From her, I'll let you know how I feel about the TPP when I'm President", to her political machine, trying to play the "scary Bernie the Socialist" card on national TV and limiting the number of debates because Hillary is weak on the issues..

[RufusTFirefly]

76. But that won't stop people from suggesting that it is.

And let's face it: Just as race was the issue with some of PBO's detractors, gender definitely is the issue for some who oppose Hillary. But I doubt there are many (if any) on DU who don't support her for that reason.

The fact is that there are some solid Democratic reasons for opposing a Hillary Clinton candidacy. Knowingly voting for the illegal Iraq invasion, voting for the PATRIOT {sic} ACT, co-sponsoring a bill to criminalize flag-burning, vocally opposing same-sex marriage until quite recently, hemming and hawing on key issues like TPP and KXL, and demonstrating an extraordinary coziness with Wall Street are among them.

[raindaddy]

89. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.. And sometimes it's simply about personality and the ISSUES!

Excellent response Rufus....

[INdemo]

72. Please tell us how she has earned

The nomination? There has not been one primary or caucus yet. Hillary has been promoted by both the Republicans and Demorcrats since 2008. All this BS about deciding to run was just that BS. Having a strong compitutor as is Bernie Sznders was just not in her plans,the DNC plans or the Republican plans.

[CreekDog]

113. Please tell us how you can read when i clearly didn't say she earned the nomination

I said she's earned the support she has and her frontrunner status.

[INdemo]

186. Ok guess I did say that but what I meant was

In what way has she earned her frontrunner status other than to be cast in the spotlight since 2008,(actually 2004) and raised enough campaign contributions to become the front runner long before the first poll was ever officially take.

Do you realize that Hillary was preparing for this since 2004? Here's how and why I say that.
Terry McAuliffe was the DNC Chairman in 2004,A Clinton supporter.

John Kerry won the election. He won Ohio but because of a second election theft by the Repukes Bush of course won the state.
John Kerry won by at least 400,000 votes. 120,000 votes that were conveniently lost and 280,000 votes that were conveniently surpressed.The Ohio Sec of State Blackwell, who later all but admitted the trickery, was in charge of the election heist along with Karl Rove.
McAuliffe never ever raised any objection or made any accusation or ask for a hold on certification or recount because he knew this now was a perfect set up for Hillary in 2008. It was Hillary's 2008 golden opportunity. Then 2008 brought obviously different results and finally now in 2016 Hillary has been "cast" (again, not necessarily earned), as the frontrunner,
Actually as one really looks at her status closely Republicans have played a large role in keeping her in the frontrunner status.

[DJ13]

235. The really funny part (in a sad way) is that she would have been better off if

..... McAuliffe had fought to get Kerry elected in 04 than letting Bush screw us for an extra 4 years, then running against Obama in 08.

She might have been Kerry's VP pick, then in 12 she would probably have ran nearly unopposed.

She could be running for her second term in 16 if she wasnt so impatient.

[Feeling the Bern]

73. She may have earned it through longevity, but she has not earned my vote

And I view her as sincere to Democratic policies and progressive ideas as a coiled up snake about to strike.

[jalan48]

74. George Sr.-4+ years (Reagan was senile), B. Clinton-8 years, George Jr.-8 years,

now a Clinton or a Bush for possibly 8 more years? That would make it 30 years of a Clinton or Bush in recent history. Doesn't this seem a bit odd?

[mylye2222]

83. Of course it is!!!!

[AtheistCrusader]

84. This is not a gender issue.

That's a backhanded slap at others right there, pretending it is. I have absolutely seen that term used before on male candidates on both ends of the political spectrum.

Search for 'Mitt Romney Anointed' and look at the timestamps, sort by articles and commentary published before the last republican primary completed.

Then walk that bullshit back with an apology.

[PADemD]

127. Certainly not a gender issue.

I would have voted for Elizabeth Warren in a New York minute.

[AtheistCrusader]

146. Same.

[DownriverDem]

85. I will vote for the Dem nominee, but

I am a Hillary supporter all the way. I really want her to be the first woman president. I've been through a lot of primaries, but have not been attacked like I am now by Bernie supporters. Why? We are on the same page folks.

[Avalux]

110. How has she earned it? What if her last name was Rodham?

As much as you might not want to admit it, Hillary Clinton has enjoyed broad name recognition and familiarity with the electorate because she is married to Bill Clinton (an incredibly popular president) and was First Lady for 8 years. She also enjoys the perks that go along with it.

I am not disrespecting her accomplishments or saying she's inferior and isn't qualified to be president, but to say she is the front runner on her merit alone is not true. Her name is Clinton.

[CreekDog]

118. What if Eleanor Roosevelt hada different surname?

I'm sure youve endeared yourself to all women here by saying that everything she has is because of who she married.

How 19th century of you.

[Avalux]

120. I didn't say that. Clinton's name is a factor in her popularity - do you not agree? n/t

[azmom]

117. It's not about Hillary, the woman. I think it's pushback against

The DNC and their new policy regarding the debates. It's also about the DNC and their coziness with big business and Hillary's complicit role within that establishment.

[davidpdx]

130. First off all, it isn't about sexism it is about policy stances that are out of touch with most

people in this country. Any time anyone brings up one of these differences Hillary Clinton supporters act their same spoiled brat way and call us "Hillary Haters". Now if your assumption about her winning the primary is correct, I'm sorry most people are not going to fold and just vote for her without being given a reason or shown appreciation for what we've done in the party. Clinton has to earn our vote if she is the nominee just like any male candidate.

Also she may be the front runner in national polls, but the primary and caucuses are on a state level and those polls are starting to shift. Many things could happen between now and the start of the primaries (heck maybe Chaffee will decided to rejoin the Republicans). Those are the places where the race is won or loss.

[libdem4life]

134. I think it's going to boil down to One Issue...are we going to continue the

path toward Oligarchy which refers most directly to who will be funding the next President. Who gets the best seats at the Table of Government...The People, finally...or The Money Donors/Brokers?

Before Bernie got in the race, there was no choice. Now there is. It's pretty much black and white at this level.

[DonCoquixote]

135. as I have said

I do not care if our party names a ham sandwich as the nominee, because I truly know, not believe, know that a ham sandwich would do less damage than ANYONE from the GOP. This is NOT humor, but a hard fact proven by the events of the past 15 years. I will gladly chant "Go Team sandwich" come November.

That being said, I will reserve the right to criticize if Hillary runs well worn paths tro failure, the sort that sadly, our Democratic leadership has proven itself very good at, and yes, that include DWS. I will not let her run this into the rocks so that she can enjoy her long working relationships with Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.

[Motown_Johnny]

138. I thought nobody every had this level of support before?

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(other than an incumbent)


So I don't see how you can make that statement.

As for her experience, I just don't see it.

She tried to run on her experience as First Lady and ended up claiming to have dodged sniper fire as some last grasp for making it relevant. It isn't.

She was a Senator, but not a very good one. No real legislative accomplishments and the #1 (D) war hawk in the run up to war. If you question that go watch her 19 minute speech again. No (D) comes close, it wasn't just her vote. It was her beating the drum along with the (R)s.

Secretary of State is where people go to end their political careers (and it looks like she will follow that tradition). We have not elected a former SOS as President since Buchanan and he is known as one of the worst ever. The American people just don't see being chief diplomat as experience relevant to being Commander In Chief. Maybe that is a bad thing but it seems to be true. If it were not, we would have seen more former SOS running.

She has only won 2 elections in her life and they are both the carpetbagged Senate seat that most any well funded (D) could have won.


She just isn't a good candidate. Then when you get into her baggage and the terrible responses from her team it becomes clear that she is a horrible candidate. Remember that it took 8 days to come up with the "I didn't want to carry 2 phones" response to the email problem. Eight Flipping Days For Utter and Complete NONSENSE! Now look where we are with that email crap.

Maybe she would make a good President. If she wins the nomination I will vote for her (along with every other (D) on the ticket) but she is nowhere near being a good candidate.



Before flaming me, please watch these.

terrible candidate

[Romulox]

141. Hillary has the most corporate and Party insider support. She leads no grass roots movement. nt

[LanternWaste]

149. It's as silly a term as was "messiah" in regards to Obama.

It's as silly a term as was "messiah" in regards to Obama, though I've few doubts that some dullard will quickly attempt to rationalize a distinction without a difference-- as irrational behavior spends much of its time justifying its own existence.

It's a term meant little more than to trivialize the earned accomplishments, and using it does little more than to accurately illustrate a dramatic lack of rational thought on the users' part.

[AgingAmerican]

151. Not entitled and anointed

She wants to be appointed and anointed.

Money anoints.

[DCBob]

152. Well said and totally agree.

[Logical]

160. Bernie will destroy her in the debates, expose her. Nt

[randome]

161. Not likely. He may very well out-debate her, though.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

253. As likely as Andre Berto will destroy Floyd Mayweather in their boxing match, expose him./Nt

[Logical]

261. Bernie is more liberal than hillary wants to be. But keep making up stuff. You....

Are entertaining for sure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

263. That has nothing to do with what I said.

Bernie is more liberal than hillary wants to be. But keep making up stuff. You...Are entertaining for sure.

That has nothing to do with what I said and I wear your patronizing attitude like a crown, after carefully considering the source.

[Martin Eden]

168. Actually, Hillary has been "annointed" to the extent she receives preferential treatment ...

... by the Democtatic Party establishment and by the media.

Regarding the media, I refer to other Democratic candidates being almost totally ignored (like O'Malley) or being characterized as a "fringe" candidate with no chance of winning (Sanders).

The word "entitled" means nothing to me in this context, but "earned" means a great deal. Hillary Clinton (along with John Kerry, Joe Biden, and nearly half the Dems in Congress at the time) forever lost my support in Democratic primaries when they voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

Gender does not enter into it where I am concerned.

[Carolina]

169. Inevitable, front runner, best there is, most qualified...

We've heard that all before... past is prologue, so let's examine HRC's:

She was inevitable in 2008, too. She was in it to win it. She was assured that her name and money were sufficient, until Super Tuesday proved her wrong and she resorted to kitchen sink tactics against BHO, even going so far as to praise McCain. Then, still not knowing when to quit despite running on empty money wise, she proceeded on to California because you never know, remember Bobby Kennedy. That was the straw for many, including the Democratic leadership which asked her to bow out in summer 2008. She gracelessly did so, on condition that Obama and the party pay off her campaign debt. Wow, what great leadership skills, what sound management! Screw up, squander a formidable campaign war chest on a 1992 style campaign, then demand that someone else bail you out... kinda like Wall Street which is quite appropriate.

In 2008, HRC also touted her 20 years of experience -- 12 as first lady of Arkansas and 8 as first lady of the US. But if she was, and is, to claim the Clinton legacy, then she has to assume the blame for that job sucking travesty NAFTA, for the Gramm-Bliley-Leech Act which overturned Glass-Steagall, for the Telecommunications Act which has produced the horrid consolidated media of today, and for Welfare Deform which has deepened the abyss of poverty. BTW: imagine the ridicule HRC supporters would heap on Babs Bush if she ever made a similar 'experience' claim based on 4 years as 2nd lady of the US, 4 years as 1st lady of the US and 8 years as 1st mom!

Then there’s 2002, HRC's first term in the Senate. How can anyone forget that IWR vote, that callous, finger-in-the-political-wind vote cast because of her POTUS aspirations. That vote makes her ultimately culpable for the death, debt, destruction and destabilization that war of choice has caused. Sure Bush would have gone to war anyway, but without the votes of Democrats like the would-be-presidents Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Biden and Dodd, it would truly have been BUSH’S war. Instead, HRC and the others were profiles in political cowardice displaying politically ambitious calculation, awful judgment, and a stunning lack of morality while providing the liars and thieves in the Bush White House bipartisan cover. Here at DU, we knew better than to believe the Bush cabal. Democrats like Edward Kennedy (a genuine liberal), Bob Graham (of FL), Robert Byrd and others not only cautioned their peers about such haste (casting votes just before the 2002 midterm elections) but warned, like canaries in the mine, about the long term consequences. Never forget Byrd’s poignant speech about the rush to war, the cost of war, the waste of war... It didn't take a classified report to see the facts. And those who think that vote is outdated, past history, something to be forgotten because HRC apologized for it, called it a mistake… just think, there are no do-overs for votes that cost so much in terms of death and destruction.

HRC is no friend of the common man. She pays handlers and marketing personnel to package her as the people’s champion, but it’s all smoke and mirrors because Wall Street (the likes of Robert Reuben, Larry Summers, Lloyd Blankfein/Mr. Goldmann Sachs, etal.) owns her. She is the mistress of triangulation who helped found the DLC and who remains 3rd way to her very core. She is tone deaf and thin skinned (see that 2008 primary campaign, again) and lacks the natural political skills and charisma of Bill. On that note, I would even go so far as to say, she is no pave-the-way feminist (like Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan). She is where she is today because of Bill.

After law school, she may have ever so briefly worked on the Nixon impeachment committee, but she was no heavy hitter, she didn’t pass the DC Bar, and she didn’t last long there. So what did she do? She ran off to Arkansas (to Arkansas… who goes there, who goes from Yale to DC to Hope Arkansas, if they are such a gifted and talented attorney… sorry Arkansans). She followed Bill because she recognized his innate talents and his rising star quality, and she latched on to him. She made it because of being Mrs. Clinton not because of being Hillary Rodham. Her only real lawyering was shilling for Walmart (a corporate lawyer for WALMART… so much walking the talk of being the people’s champion) and at the Rose Law Firm, she relied heavily on Vince Foster!

So now, she has the years as SOS under her belt, but can she really run on those 4 years of non-accomplishments? It'll be a general campaign about Benghazi and emails ad nauseum and ad

Truly, what has she DONE on her own that she can be proud of and lay claim to? She can't even give straight answers on what she supports half the time. If she's the best the Democratic Party can offer at this critical time in history, then we're screwed.

Go ahead and flame me, I really don't care.

[840high]

230. +100

[Logical]

237. +1000 nt

[m-lekktor]

251. excellent post!nt

[Fred Sanders]

175. The whole Sanders/Trump false equivalency media punditry, both being "atypical politicians"

both beloved of the common folk - you common folks in TV watching land must all see that, right (?) - is yet another mass media distortion, nicely positioned on the "news" schedule to then come after Clinton as being the "typical politician" in the next round of scheduled lies.

So easy to sway so many in Gullible America.

[last1standing]

213. If she keeps the lead through the primary, she'll earn it.

As for the slaps at her, are they any worse than those on Team Hillary who are trying to smear Bernie and his supporters as elite racists in order to keep African-Americans from hearing his message?

I think they're worse.

[colsohlibgal]

222. How?

By voting for GWB's stupid and costly war?

By just being the wife of an ex president?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

247. "By just being the wife of an ex president?"

"By just being the wife of an ex president?"

By this:

-Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973

-In 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C

-In 1977, Rodham cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund. Later that year, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had been the 1976 campaign director of field operations in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.

-Following her husband's November 1978 election as Governor of Arkansas, Rodham became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for twelve years (1979–1981, 1983–1992). Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year,where she secured federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas's poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

-From 1982 to 1988, Clinton was on the board of directors, sometimes as chair, of the New World Foundation, which funded a variety of New Left interest groups. From 1987 to 1991, she was the first chair of the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession

-Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992)

-In January 1993, Bill appointed Hillary to head the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, hoping to replicate the success she had in leading the effort for Arkansas education reform.

- Along with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, she was a force behind the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents could not provide them with health coverage, and conducted outreach efforts on behalf of enrolling children in the program once it became law.

-She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

- Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.

-In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

-In 1999, she was instrumental in the passage of the Foster Care Independence Act, which doubled federal monies for teenagers aging out of foster care.


-As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),on Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997), and on Children and Adolescents (2000) She also hosted the first-ever White House Conference on Teenagers (2000) and the first-ever White House Conference on Philanthropy (1999).


-She served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002), Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009),Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009),Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)and Special Committee on Aging. She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (2001–2009)


_Clinton spent her initial days as Secretary of State telephoning dozens of world leaders and indicating that U.S. foreign policy would change direction: "We have a lot of damage to repair." She advocated an expanded role in global economic issues for the State Department and cited the need for an increased U.S. diplomatic presence, especially in Iraq where the Defense Department had conducted diplomatic missions.


Your argument that all her accomplishments are a result of being married to a famous man is incredibly offensive sexist.

[Romulox]

255. We're now counting Hillary's post-grad work as an "accomplishment"? You also forgot Walmart. Thin gruel indeed!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

257. "We're now counting Hillary's post-grad work as an "accomplishment"?

"We're now counting Hillary's post-grad work as an "accomplishment"?

The fact that your reply contained nothing more than a snark displayed the paucity and vacuity that went into it.

[Romulox]

258. I heard she also earned *several* badges on her sash as a girl scout!1!!!!! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

259. You're better than this...

Usually your epithets are sophomoric. These brickbats don't even rise to that lofty (sic) level you set for yourself.

[Romulox]

265. No. I'm not. nt

[Romulox]

254. Even bringing up Hillary's record is itself sexist. It's HER TURN! nt

[dogknob]

266. ...A-a-and stop calling them "LEGOS..." They are "Lego Building Blocks!"

But some of these slaps at her are also aimed at disrespecting the importance or significance of her supporters, as if she's usurping the front runner status when she's earned/earning it just as every male canndidate has before her whose support and supporters haven't been referred to in this way.

She has earned the approval of The Establishment?

That is exactly what I DO NOT respect.

[Ken Burch]

276. Actually, Kerry and Gore were also described as "entitled" and "anointed"

in the run-up to the years in which they were nominated.

[ericson00]

281. K N' R like Axl and Slash

n/t

[SunSeeker]

284. K & R

[Puzzledtraveller]

289. I wonder who really runs faster, Hillary or Bernie?

Can we select the "front runner" that way?