Brilliant " ingenious twist" to the media contrived E-mail nonsense!

[riversedge]

Brilliant " ingenious twist" to the media contrived nonsense!


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414366/-Clinton-s-Press-Secretary-Makes-Sense-of-the-Nonsense

Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 03:04 PM PDT

Clinton's Press Secretary Makes Sense of the Nonsense



Meet Brian Fallon.

He's Hillary Clinton's press secretary and he's damn good at his job...and that's great because he's been very busy lately making sense out of a whole lot of nonsense. You're probably going to be seeing a lot more of him for quite a while.

But the fun doesn't stop with the must-see video above. Check out the ingenious twist Fallon delivered this week during a conference call with reporters which exposed just how dumb this zombie email "scandal" truly is:

“Just as an aside, for the I.G. to now declare the material as classified, since it was provided by State to the House Benghazi committee earlier this year in unredacted form, presumably that means that members of the House Benghazi committee may have unwittingly handled classified material on unclassified systems within the House of Representatives,” Mr. Fallon said.

“Now, I don’t think that anybody here at the Clinton campaign is going to say that members of, say, Chairman Gowdy’s staff should have their computers confiscated for having possibly trafficked in classified material,” he said. “I don’t think we would say that. But that is, fundamentally, the same logic behind the I.G.’s referral to the State Department with respect to Mrs. Clinton’s server, since she was at worst a passive recipient of unwitting information that subsequently became deemed as classified. Let’s raise that as an aside.”


Could this be true? Could Gowdy's committee be in the exact same boat as Hillary? Is the "scandal" really getting this stupid? Why yes it is:.......

[riversedge]

1. NYTimes also has a story about Fallon and his response to the email nonsence...

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/20/spokesman-for-hillary-clinton-offers-new-take-on-email-issue/


Spokesman for Hillary Clinton Offers New Take on Email Issue



Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Iowa State Fair on Monday.Credit Eric Thayer for The New York Times

As Brian Fallon, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s press secretary, defended her on Wednesday during a conference call about her email use, he made a novel argument that got lost in the haze of questions.

Mr. Fallon spoke to reporters after Fox News had reported that two of Mrs. Clinton’s aides while she was secretary of state had sent her classified information over her private email server.

Mr. Fallon insisted that the report constituted a “watershed” moment that helped identify which emails an inspector general had flagged as containing classified information. That’s because, he argued, the definition of what is classified is subjective, and the emails weren’t marked as classified at the time they were sent. The inspector general referred to four classified emails in a letter to the F.B.I. about the security of Mrs. Clinton’s server.

Then Mr. Fallon tried to turn the theoretical tables on Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, the chairman of the House select committee investigating the Benghazi attacks, which has focused in recent months on Mrs. Clinton’s email use. If she was at fault for having classified information on her server without her knowledge, Mr. Fallon suggested, then aren’t other people in the same boat? ..................

[riversedge]

2. Politico: Hillary Clinton aide: Gowdy committee has classified docs on server, too

oh, this is soooooooooooooo smart of Fallo

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-gowdy-committee-has-classified-server-docs-121621.html?ml=tl_2_b



Hillary Clinton aide: Gowdy committee has classified docs on server, too

By Rachael Bade

8/21/15 6:28 PM EDT





Hillary Clinton’s campaign, under fire over the ongoing emails controversy, is pointing a finger at House Republican Benghazi investigators, accusing the panel of having classified documents on an unsecured system just like Clinton did.



..............Fallon said the committee received copies of the email months ago because the State Department did not — and still does not — consider it classified. But the intelligence committee is arguing that the information is indeed secret and sensitive, and should therefore be classified.

“Since the State Department provided the email forwarded by [top Clinton policy aide] Jake [Sullivan] to the Benghazi Committee several months before the FBI asked for any redaction, it has seemed to us highly plausible that for several months Congressman Gowdy’s staff may have been treating the email as unclassified just as we did and handling it on unclassified systems on Capitol Hill,” Fallon said.

Fallon also praised Gowdy for complaints the South Carolina Republican made in July about over-classification of documents. On July 8, Gowdy sent a letter to the Obama Administration asserting that overly aggressive classification of documents was hindering his information gathering.

“It’s not just the Clinton campaign saying that there’s a lean in favor of over-classification in government… it turns out that Trey Gowdy himself agrees with us,” he said.

[Historic NY]

3. I read that they passed around the so-called classified materials....

and now the so-called classified stuff is shared with the press. So is it classified or was it classified but now is it unclassified. The determination surely doesn't rest with the congress but with State & Justice.


http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law

[riversedge]

5. I would love to be a fly on the wall in Gowdy's rooms right now.

[HassleCat]

4. Dollars to doughnuts

"I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts..." is what my dad and his uncles always said when they were about to make a prediction about something. Well, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Gowdy and his pals have leaked plenty of classified information to their media lapdogs. I'll bet they sent it places it wasn't supposed to go. I'll bet they're purging their computers as we speak.

[riversedge]

6. wiping it? I have to admit

when I heard that phase the other day (reporters as HIllary about wiping it... and she repeated it--seems rather puzzled))---I was puzzled. I had not heard that term before. Call me naive.


But I do know that term--dollars to donuts.... used to hear it lot moons ago.

[seabeyond]

7. it is all stupid. people were sending it to clinton, knowingly, that it was her private email.

one can tell. so every person that sent her an email to that address, every person that did it without lifting an eyebrow or making a suggestion she do something different, every one is culpable.

[pnwmom]

10. Not really seabeyond. Because the State Department is saying that none of this

was classified material.

And the head of the National Security Archives, Tom Blanton, says that up to 3/4 of what he says labeled "classified' doesn't deserve that label; and that the whole system of classification is "arbitrary" and "capricious."

This is an argument between different departments in the government about what needs to be classified and what doesn't.

[tblue37]

19. A turf war between State and other agencies and departments. nt

[riversedge]

8. Clinton camp puts out Video: Hillary Clinton Email "Scandal" Fact Check

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[SunSeeker]

9. K & R

[pnwmom]

11. Thanks, riversedge! n/t

[ALBliberal]

12. Happy that they are turning this around but I would guess

that Hillary would have have approached the email protocol differently knowing what she knows now. I am a Bernie supporter but will vote for our Nominee. I don't want any of our candidates disparaged over email protocol!

[riversedge]

13. Bloomberg"-->Hillary Clinton Campaign Goes on Offense Over E-mail Controversy

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-21/clinton-campaign-goes-on-offense-over-e-mail-controversy


Hillary Clinton Campaign Goes on Offense Over E-mail Controversy


Aug 21, 2015 5:31 PM CDT

In a Friday video release and press call, Clinton staffers unveil the candidate's latest defense of her e-mail woes.

Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is trying to turn the tables in the controversy over her handling of classified information on her chief Republican investigator.

The Democratic presidential candidate's top spokespeople took the unusual move of calling a Friday afternoon press call to roll out their latest defense of Clinton's decision to use private e-mail servers while she was secretary of state. Their point: South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy and the panel he chairs that is investigating Clinton have dealt similarly with information that was later found to be classified.

"Trey Gowdy treated e-mails in this case the same way Hillary Clinton did, considering them unclassified and storing them on unclassified systems," Clinton press secretary Brian Fallon said. "We don't see what legs Trey Gowdy has to stand on in his criticisms of Secretary Clinton."

The Clinton campaign says none of the emails she sent or received on that server were marked classified at the time, and that rules at the time allowed her to use a private account. Some of the information that moved on Clinton's private e-mail account later was determined to warrant a classified designation.

Fallon also noted that Gowdy previously complained in a letter that the intelligence community was, in his view, over-classifying information, which the Clinton campaign has cited as one of the reasons for the controversy over her e-mails. "It turns out that Trey Gowdy himself agrees with us," Fallon said.............

[riversedge]

14. Hillary's IT Company: Server Was Never in Bathroom Closet

This lie --that the server was kept in the bathroom needs to be debunked! and is being repeated by Gowdy's office (see Bloomberg article above). It is a Fox host--Greta Van Susteren--that did this interview!


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-21/clinton-campaign-goes-on-offense-over-e-mail-controversy

....Gowdy's office said there are no parallels between their handling of e-mails and Clinton's.

"Our system and server for handling classified information in electronic format was subjected to and passed a year of painstaking planning, documentation, and review by numerous security and IT professionals in the Intelligence Community. We didn't put it in the bathroom," Amanda Duvall, a spokeswoman for Gowdy, said in an email. (The reference is to a report that Clinton's servers were kept in a bathroom closet, which is disputed.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/20/exclusive-it-company-managed-hillary-clintons-private-server-goes-record


Hillary's IT Company: Server Was Never in Bathroom Closet

by Fox News Insider


As seen on On the Record with Greta Van Susteren

The small Denver technology firm at the center of Hillary Clinton's email scandal is speaking out.

Griff Jenkins spoke to Andy Boian, crisis management coordinator for Platte River Networks, "On The Record" tonight.

Boian explained that Platte River Networks was hired by the Clintons in June 2013 to upgrade, manage and secure their email server.

He said the company never looked at the data on the server and did not know it included sensitive material. They simply managed and protected it based on what their clients requested.

Boian told Jenkins that the server - which was handed over to the FBI on Wednesday - was never kept in Denver, but in a secure data center in New Jersey.

[HereSince1628]

15. Why would it matter if -the- server was in a bathroom?

The issue with the device seems to hinge on 1) it's being privately owned and operated, which seems to translate into outside gov't security without direct authorization and 2) the fundamental concerns about security of the device and communications via the device.

I would think the nation would -desire- it's senior government officials to be in communications contact with the government...even when at home, or at a vacation setting (say the Texas, or Vermont or Alaskan Whitehouse.

State of the art personal digital devices could fundamentally help government officials do that. But, it seems, the gov't has trouble imposing order upon the rush of technology, and the chaos produced is available for loopholes/foot-snares depending upon partisan interpretation.

The gov't and it's departments and agencies, needs to figure out how to accommodate the changing technology while at the same time making sure that users of that technology don't compromise anything via faulty communications security.

[riversedge]

16. It is a RW talking pt--including by Gowdy aides to

further their cause of demeaning Hillary and this issue. 'server in the bathroom' is mentioned often by hate radio also.

[HereSince1628]

17. So, if I understand, radical radio thinks a server in a bathroom is a problem

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consequently it becomes a serious issue. Thanks.


I suspect this is one reason why there is that saying when a campaign is reacting in defense it is losing...you make yourself look dumber by reacting to something so stupid and beside the point.

[riversedge]

18. I did not see

them hit back yesterday in their offense.


The bathroom crap was included in comments by the Gowdy folks so I included it

[Buns_of_Fire]

22. Naw, it wasn't in a bathroom at all...

In fact, I've come across some EXCLUSIVE security camera footage of an employee of Platte River Networks arriving to perform some minor maintenance. It seems the house in Chappaqua is a lot bigger than it appears from the outside.

(And before some perpetually-outraged people with their fingers on the ALERT button act, let me say this: Geez, lighten up, people. Nobody is attacking anybody here. It was just the first thing that came to my mind. Who would seriously recommend that a server be in a bathroom, anyway? The environment is much too humid...)

[Motown_Johnny]

20. Did they wipe half the server without any oversight?

If not, this is not the same thing.

Also, if the guy is good at his job, explain that whole "i didn't want to carry two phones" nonsense!

Or why she was not ready for the question about the server being wiped.

This looks like a "Heck of a job, Brownie" moment. The guy is terrible at his job but as long as you say he is good at it, nothing else matters.

Spin all you want, this is a terrible campaign run by a terrible candidate.

[Adrahil]

21. Talking of spin....

What does wiping the server have to do with charges of "mishandling classified information." The mishandling charge is bullshit, and this situation is a perfect illustration of why that is true. You can't "mishandle" information if you didn't know it was classified. As for the whole "should have known" bullshit, I can say I have NEVER seen anyone disciplined, or even warned for "mishandling" unmarked classified data in 30 years of dealing with classified data. And yeah, it happens reasonably frequently that someone discovers that some unmarked piece of data should actually be marked classified.

As for the server.... I can tell you that when we transition servers and create archives, my company wipes them as standard practice, even if they are not used for classified information. There very often is "distribution controlled" unclassified information such as FOUO (for official use only) and NOFORN (no foreign nationals) info that needs to be wiped.

[Puzzledtraveller]

23. Contrived?

We will see.

[Persondem]

24. K & R