Hillary vs. Biden Would Get Ugly Fast

[Stellar]

You thought Clinton-Obama 2008 was bad? Wait until a white guy steps in a woman’s path and attacks her integrity.
You’ve got to admit it was kind of a stroke of genius for Joe Biden to have that “secret” meeting with Elizabeth Warren over the weekend. The mind of course jumps instantly to the prospect of a Biden-Warren ticket, even to the idea that Biden could, when announcing his candidacy say next month, also announce that Warren will be his running mate.

Game-changer is a hoary expression in this town, so forgive me, but that really would be one. I’d guess Biden would go instantly from his current 13 percent to at least twice that. His ego would have to adjust to having a running mate who is more beloved than he is and who draws crowds about four or five times the size of his. But even something short of an official alliance, a nudge-wink implication that Warren is somehow on team Biden, makes him a much more serious player.

more at link: Daily Beast

[underthematrix]

1. Definitely NOT worth a read - sounds like PSYOPS to me

[stevenleser]

2. I'm not sure that is how it would play out. Biden's more immediate challenge would be to

knock out his other competitors in order to be seen as the definitive non-Hillary choice.

His main obstacle to that would be Sanders. So if Biden enters the race and goes after anyone early, I think it would be Sanders.

He might not even do anything about that. So far the candidates for the Democratic nomination have not gone after each other much. If he enters the race and is seen as changing that, it would look bad for him.

[Stellar]

5. LOL, what could he possibly do to Sanders! nt

[stevenleser]

9. Oh that's easy. A pro-Biden PAC could put together a video of Sanders self IDing as Socialist

the 5-6 times he did so. 50% of the electorate will not consider voting for a Socialist.

Someone is going to put that video together at some point, and it will be the end of Bernie's candidacy.

[onehandle]

3. Wishful thinking. Nothing more. nt

[askew]

4. If Hillary or her surrogates go negative on Joe, expect there to be massive blowback.

Joe is beloved by Dem establishment and the Obamas. Plus, he has had a hard life. She attacks his character and expect major Dem hitters to start coming out for Biden. She treats him nice and maybe Obama, Reid and others stay on the sidelines.

[Stellar]

6. and if Joe goes negative on Hillary...the same thing. nt

[askew]

7. I don't think so at all.

Biden is well-liked and has had that recent tragedy. Hillary just doesn't have that same likability factor. Plus, she has a long history of dirty campaigning so it will be hard to take her seriously if she whines about Biden hitting her.

[magical thyme]

15. Joe is far too savvy to go negative on Hillary

He'll let her take herself down with his "been around the block a few times" charm jujitsu.

[oasis]

16. No need for Hillary to chime in. Anita Hill and Emily's List will

do their part in jarring the memories of women voters.

[WillyT]

8. K & R !!!

[sufrommich]

10. Hillary v.Biden would propel Sanders to

"also ran" status overnight. The battle would be between two hugely popular democrats in the democratic party.

[frylock]

11. That's only if you buy into the bullshit narrative that Sanders supporters are strictly voting ABC

[Buns_of_Fire]

13. I would see him shearing off more votes from Hillary than from Bernie.

Which could possibly turn it into more of a three-way race.

I think Bernie's supporters and Hillary's supporters look at it all from two different angles. The BerniePeople see a possibility for a truly transformative moment. The HillaryPeople see a safe and competent person, with perhaps better odds for winning it all.

To think that Bernie's supporters are only in it because they hate Hillary is, to be blunt, a crock.

[magical thyme]

14. you wish.

If he runs, he'll be pulling more from Hillary than Biden because he is much closer to Hillary than Sanders on issues.

His ties to corporations and the bankruptcy bill are too strong to lure in Sanders supporters.

[AtomicKitten]

17. Nope. They will share the same voter pool.

Biden will pull votes from Clinton. Sanders voters do not agree with the ideology of the Third Way Dems, a club to which both Clinton and Biden belong. I read somewhere that Clinton's voters would have Biden as their second choice, and vice versa, thereby causing virtually no difference to Sanders' totals.

[karynnj]

12. What if the intent of the meeting is that he would "sponsor" an Elizabeth Warren candidacy?

Note that Warren would not need to challenge Clinton's integrity --- the contrast on things like big banks and bankruptcy bills exist. Not to mention, she is of course a woman -- a woman, who has risen to consideration because of things that she has led on. Even before becoming a Senator, many credit her for the existence of the credit watchdog agency and many stronger provisions of Dodd/Frank.

As Senator, she has had an impact that is incredibly unusual for a Freshman Senator. She has been far more a leader than Clinton was when she was a Senator, even though she came in as First Lady.

[Zorra]

18. The idea that Sen. Warren could ever be a running mate for Joe Biden is laughable.

Never going to happen, ever.

Warren: Progressive

Biden: Centrist