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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:32 PM Oct 2015

Progressives and Staunch Liberals: You are irrelevant losers according the Third Way

http://www.thirdway.org/report/ready-for-the-new-economy
From the Third Way "Manifesto
Ready for the New Economy
EXCERPT:

With a singular focus on income inequality, the left’s main solutions are greater re-distribution and a re-writing of the rules to “un-rig” the system. But, however well motivated, some of the biggest ideas into which they are directing their energy do not remotely address the underlying “Kodak” conundrum—how do Americans find their place in a rapidly changing world? In fact, some would actually make the task of increasing shared prosperity significantly harder.

Take, for example, a policy championed by Senator Bernie Sanders and others that is in danger of becoming a top progressive litmus test for Democrats—expanding Social Security benefits for all, regardless of income. The leading House version of this idea raises taxes on every working person and employer.19 It takes trillions of dollars from working age people and transfers it to the elderly—many of whom don’t need it. In fact, those who would get the greatest benefit net of new taxes are well-to-do suburban elderly couples.20 Meanwhile, this huge tax increase would do nothing to foster new investments in children, schools, research, or innovation—investments that have taken a back seat to entitlements.

Another populist policy would spend $15 trillion to create a single-payer, government-run health care system21—a massive amount especially when we have just finished the largest expansion of the social safety net in decades with the enactment of the Affordable Care Act (which we strongly support). Single-payer would be funded with a large payroll tax increase on all who work, according to the plan offered by Senator Sanders. As with the proposal to expand Social Security for rich and poor alike, it would divert money away from job-creating public investments—such as cancer research, bridge repair, and school construction.

Moreover, the narrative of fairness and inequality has, to put it mildly, failed to excite voters. In each of the last three election cycles, Democrats—the self-styled party of the middle-class—have lost the middle class by an average of seven points, a combined margin of defeat of 20.4 million votes.22 In 2014, this margin was 11-points,23 indicating once again that the “fairness” agenda and narrative Democrats offered did not connect well with middle income voters....... These trends should compel the party to rigorously question the electoral value of today’s populist agenda....Much more
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Progressives and Staunch Liberals: You are irrelevant losers according the Third Way (Original Post) Armstead Oct 2015 OP
The Feeling Is Mutual ;) n/t fredamae Oct 2015 #1
No, seriously .. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #2
No..Pull my claw Armstead Oct 2015 #17
pffft.... Purveyor Oct 2015 #3
Honesty, does anybody really give a shit about what those clowns say? emulatorloo Oct 2015 #4
Hardly irrelevant Armstead Oct 2015 #8
See vicardog's post 9 below for my opinion emulatorloo Oct 2015 #10
Just sayin' they're not irrelevant Armstead Oct 2015 #11
Well aware of the history. Opinions as you know are like ass-holes. And they are assholes. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #13
Irrelevant? They run the Democratic Party. dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #47
Why doesn't the 3rd Way join the Republican Party fadedrose Oct 2015 #5
NO SHIT! Phlem Oct 2015 #7
Because the best way to push conservative ideas is to sabotage the opposition from the inside. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #31
My Party disgusts me. nt. nc4bo Oct 2015 #35
Yep. The situation sucks. nt GoneFishin Oct 2015 #38
Correct. dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #48
You saw the R debates - the 3rd Way has no place to go. jwirr Oct 2015 #43
because then the democratic party could become a serious policy contender against the republicans Scootaloo Oct 2015 #51
But you damned well better vote for our Republican-lite candidate. Otherwise ... Scuba Oct 2015 #6
Pretty much this ^ Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #23
You're on fire today! marym625 Oct 2015 #33
The Third way way spouts unadulterated Bull Shit and out right lies at every turn. Vincardog Oct 2015 #9
Amen. nt mother earth Oct 2015 #28
Wow. So much dishonesty. Matariki Oct 2015 #12
I think a little of both Armstead Oct 2015 #14
lots of duers believe it, though many have moved to the new hate site Doctor_J Oct 2015 #20
The Democratic Party has been losing members ever since the neolibs took over.. raindaddy Oct 2015 #15
Trademark Infringement Armstead Oct 2015 #16
There ya go, Trademark Infringement ..... raindaddy Oct 2015 #18
So do yopu think those "neolibs" will leave DU INdemo Oct 2015 #26
I kind of wish Bernie would've focused a little more on the traditional... raindaddy Oct 2015 #30
He has the next debate to do that and INdemo Oct 2015 #42
Agreed. Less Denmark and Sweden, more MLK, Jr and FDR n/t eridani Oct 2015 #56
Exactly...There's a long tradition of populism that runs through the Democratic Party... raindaddy Oct 2015 #58
we're their worst enemies, according to the proprietor of the new hate site for the hillarians Doctor_J Oct 2015 #19
I welcome their pitiful hatred. I think they are the most pressing threat. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #39
tim taylor needs to build the toilet for this one restorefreedom Oct 2015 #40
So is "loser" a step up or a step down from truedelphi Oct 2015 #21
they forgot something passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #22
Conduct your own unscientific pole, here's how. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #34
Just more fear and terror from the political rite-wing. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #24
What a mishmash of bullshit. blackspade Oct 2015 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #27
So glad I'm irrelevant to them MissDeeds Oct 2015 #29
What a load of horseshit... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #32
Thanks. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #44
MY, my, my....You make me feel lazy Armstead Oct 2015 #49
Actually, I want to read it a second time and really analyze it and then prepare JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50
In Arkansas, at least, we had a lot of Conservadem candidates last year Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #55
These Third Wayers are enemies to all but the 1%. Broward Oct 2015 #36
against Social Security and its expansion (saying it takes money from the working class?), for MisterP Oct 2015 #37
I am so sick of hearing this shit. sulphurdunn Oct 2015 #41
I think it is significant that this group has come out on this. jwirr Oct 2015 #45
They've been transparent since the 90's Armstead Oct 2015 #46
There's an implicit threat to any Democratic candidate who is getting too populist friendly. hedda_foil Oct 2015 #52
And this is why no endorsements, etc. The good thing is jwirr Oct 2015 #60
Volunteer to register Millennials to vote and then volunteer Fawke Em Oct 2015 #61
Exactly. jwirr Oct 2015 #62
Democrats don't concern themselves about the left because "the left has nowhere else to go," merrily Oct 2015 #53
Lol, they hate Elizabeth Warren also. A bunch of elitest, self appointed morons who think they sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #54
I thank them for their input. Alkene Oct 2015 #57
I've always despised Republicans. No matter what they call themselves. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #59
They have been saying this for years kenfrequed Oct 2015 #63

emulatorloo

(44,289 posts)
4. Honesty, does anybody really give a shit about what those clowns say?
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:46 PM
Oct 2015

If anybody is irrelevant it is that crowd.

emulatorloo

(44,289 posts)
10. See vicardog's post 9 below for my opinion
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:14 PM
Oct 2015

I just don't care what they say about progressives and liberals. They are not relevant or credible to me.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. Just sayin' they're not irrelevant
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015

They shaped the modern "centrist" democratic party, And their opinions may drive the next five maybe nine, years.

emulatorloo

(44,289 posts)
13. Well aware of the history. Opinions as you know are like ass-holes. And they are assholes.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:28 PM
Oct 2015

i don't think their tentacles or testicles have the same reach as they did in the 90s. We disagree.

At any rate have a great day, enjoy your thread!

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
5. Why doesn't the 3rd Way join the Republican Party
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:47 PM
Oct 2015

and leave us irrelevant people alone...surely they don't expect us to contribute to them, not with their attitude about how money should be spent.

And they might need the millions of our votes they won't get if us irrelevants make our own party, and call it the Roosevelt Party.

Can't wait.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
7. NO SHIT!
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

they love conservative policies and screwing over so much, they're definitely not even Democrats. I will resist and fight the bullshit that is the Third Way till the day I die.

With friends like that, who needs Republicans.

Oh and guess who lost the midterms for us, and they want to do it again.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
31. Because the best way to push conservative ideas is to sabotage the opposition from the inside.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:38 PM
Oct 2015

The Republicans are on board with all of their ideas. A Democratic Party, however, which actually represented the interests of the people would have no room for right wing corporatist economic and military policies. Infiltrating and dividing the Democratic Party is a despicable but effective strategy to hobble populist efforts.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
51. because then the democratic party could become a serious policy contender against the republicans
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

Better to infiltrate and smother.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. But you damned well better vote for our Republican-lite candidate. Otherwise ...
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:01 PM
Oct 2015

... we'll blame you when we lose.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
9. The Third way way spouts unadulterated Bull Shit and out right lies at every turn.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015

Fuck them and the elephant they rode in on.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
14. I think a little of both
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:33 PM
Oct 2015

They actually have some good ideas mixed in with the shit.

But they basically are Republican wanna bees.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
15. The Democratic Party has been losing members ever since the neolibs took over..
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:37 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary marks a fork in the road IMO... Hillary becomes the nominee and we're face with four more years of third way politics this party ceases to be the solution...

Maybe traditional populist FDR Democrats can sue them for stealing the brand.. Moderate Republican Party has a certain ring to it..

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
26. So do yopu think those "neolibs" will leave DU
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:57 PM
Oct 2015

after Hillary loses Iowa?
I think the "neolibs" here are in fact sent here by Bills work behind the scenes..Its just his style.
Take a look back at what Bill did in 2008 with the negatives stirring up the pot/kettle against Obama

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raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
30. I kind of wish Bernie would've focused a little more on the traditional...
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:35 PM
Oct 2015

Ideology of the Democratc party instead of Socialism Because we need a national discussion on what once was the assumed definition of what a Democrat stands for. In case there are those who are posting to DU and the rest of the country have forgotten.

There are people who think appointing corporate and Wall Street insiders to top positions within a presidents administration is standard precedure.....

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
42. He has the next debate to do that and
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

It is essential. And he can't give Hillary anything that her and Billl can turn into a "sexist " remark.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
58. Exactly...There's a long tradition of populism that runs through the Democratic Party...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:57 AM
Oct 2015

Why wave a Socialist banner when the tradition of workers rights, standing up to the banks, Social Security IS the Democratic party.

We need a national discussion as to what has happened to a party that once was a firewall between the insatiable lust for power and wealth of a handful of billionaires and the poor and middle class... Hillary Clinton isn't going to engage anyone in that discussion and more people will listen if the context is fixing the existing Democratic party as opposed to over emphasizing Socialism

A two party system with both parties in the pocket of the Wall Street banks and global corporations isn't sustainable.. And we're seeing that in the from of declining membership and voters showing up at the polls.. Which is great news for the oligarchs..

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
19. we're their worst enemies, according to the proprietor of the new hate site for the hillarians
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015

Then we'll be lectured on how Sanders supporters are mean, and how we have to vote for their candidate. Sorry, people. Not going to happen.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
39. I welcome their pitiful hatred. I think they are the most pressing threat.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:32 PM
Oct 2015

Not the biggest but the most immediate because there is no way to effectively push back on and fight the bigger enemy with their ideological kissing cousins controlling our half of the duopoly.

Every day we fail to flush the Turd, the more stink and shit we are covered with.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
21. So is "loser" a step up or a step down from
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:46 PM
Oct 2015

The "retard" label that Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff, stuck us with?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
22. they forgot something
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:46 PM
Oct 2015
the “fairness” agenda and narrative Democrats offered did not connect well with middle income voters


They forgot that the economy is growing, but the wealth is all accumulating at the top, leaving the middle income voters behind...they are becoming the lower middle income...and because of that they will continue to switch to the progressive agenda in larger and larger numbers. The revolution is coming, want it or not.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
34. Conduct your own unscientific pole, here's how.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:06 PM
Oct 2015

On a large 2 foot by 3 foot foam board write

HONK
FOR
BERNIE

Go to a busy intersection and hold the sign up high so the drivers can read it.

A couple of things will happen, it might get loud with horns honking and others will realize how many supporters he has.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
32. What a load of horseshit...
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

#1. Expanding Social Security will not divert money away from schools, children, innovation, etc....these things are already funded through entirely different means. Expanding SS will also put money into the hands of people who need it and be spent right back into the economy. It's also the morally right thing to do.

#2. Single payer will not divert money from "job-creating public investments". The payroll tax people will pay will most certainly be less than what people are currently paying for insurance premiums and deductibles. People will be healthier, happier and more productive creating more tax revenue on the backend. It will also spur more entrepreneurs in creating new businesses and more jobs...not to mention it's the morally right thing to do....win, win, win.

#3. Maybe one reason the Dems have lost support from many in the middle class is that they've promoted the Third Way's bullshit policies over the last few decades rather than a truly populist/progressive one...duh!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. Thanks.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

I read the entire treatise.

Clearly a lot of work went into it. It has a fair amount of detail although a lot of dirty economic tricks are played in it. It shows how much wages have increased over a number of years but says nothing about how much the cost of housing has increased. It laments the rise in healthcare costs but does not acknowledge that treatments for many diseases that were in the past quick and certain death sentences are now treatable -- but at great cost. The problem with healthcare costs is not the doctors' increasing the number of procedures or patients seeking unnecessary care but the fact that the technology and other medical tools now in the hands of doctors cost a lot. Lives are saved or extended but at great cost.

Getting the for-profit motive, the for-profit health insurance companies out of the mix is not mentioned, but that is the key to reducing our healthcare costs. Bernie Sanders' plan acknowledges that fact. Other countries have cheaper healthcare because they either severely limit the amount of healthcare that includes in its cost a profit for "investors" to either nearly nothing or a very, very small portion of the cost. Bernie Sanders' proposal for Medicare for all is far more efficient and far less costly than the proposal in the OP treatise. I know. I've lived in several European countries. It's the care your doctor provides, not the role of the insurance company that determines the quality of your care. Medicare for all means that doctors are not quite so dependent on pro-treatment pay and thus give better and ultimately less expensive care.

The first portion is pro-corporate to the extent that it insults us mere human Americans.

In that portion, math is played with so as to create a picture of America that is downright dishonest in part.

Social Security's future problems will be solved by a) raising the cap on the income subject to payroll taxes -- which goes up to about $113,000 or thereabouts per year. Bernie's plan does not raise the payroll taxes on people earning less than that in order to fully fund Social Security although he has talked of a very tiny increase in order to fund pre-school education. The treatise makes it sound like Bernie wants to increase payroll taxes on those already paying the tax on all their income. That is not my understanding. Bernie wants everyone to pay the tax on their income and not just those of us who earn under $113,000 or so (I may be wrong on that exact amount) per year. How about the stock options of the CEOs of the investment firms? How about capital gains? Why shouldn't they be taxed to pay for our social safety net.

You can tell that this proposal is written with hoped-for future donations from Wall Street in mind. The pension proposals all suggest less money in Social Security kinds of government programs that are reliable and really pay out and more on "investment" programs. Let me tell you about 401(K)s for us little folks. First, once you reach 65, the lucrative, risky investments are ill-advised for us. That means that you basically will get a return on your "private" investment close to the current interest rate. Right now that is a trickle of money. Also, picture yourself at the age of 85 reading investment charts and trying to make decisions about your retirement fund. My mom lived to the age of 98. She was a teacher and a brilliant woman. She managed money well, but she hated doing it after she reached about 85. It is unrealistic to expect us to do that as we age. I'm 72 and already I can read the writing on the wall. Now, where did I put my glasses? My keys were supposed to be hanging on that hook on the wall? Where did they go? No to these private retirement accounts to replace Social Security. And no cuts for anyone receiving Social Security.

This plan advocates for means-testing Social Security. That is wrong. Not at today's cap on $113,000. Everyone should be treated the same. Means-testing will require a lot of paperwork, a huge amount of bureaucracy. Rather than means-testing, simply charge people who have an income over a certain amount regardless of their age a higher tax. It's called progressive taxation. There is nothing new about it. It's fair. We are already doing that. The billionaires who "receive" Social Security should and do just pay it back to the general fund in taxes. And from the general fund we pay benefits to the disabled, and others who need help. We just do not need the bureaucracy and confusion of means-testing Social Security. Let the IRS do its job. Social Security is, bar none, the most successful and best program in the US. Don't mess with it. Raise the cap. That's all.

The portion on trade deserves a fools gold award. It does not begin to talk about why our trade balance is in the negative. It talks about how we are exporting more and then kind of mentions that we are importing far more than we export. The numbers on the percentage of companies that are headquartered in China is humiliating considering that we are supposed to be the capitalist country, and China is supposed to be the Communist country. I thought capitalism was the only way to build a strong, entrepreneurial economy.

Some explanation of the seeming disparity between China's reality and our American belief system is needed at least for me. I realize that China allows a lot of free market theory in practice, but what is really going on?

The real problem is the disparity in wages not only within the US but between the US and foreign countries. Another problem is the lack of proficiency in foreign languages and the lack of understanding of culture in general and foreign cultures in particular on the parts of Americans. The education proposals in the treatise are very weak in this regard. They focus on technology, STEM, etc. and leave out the education for human values, improvement in communication skills which are not just reading and writing, but the communication of the entire person. Literature is important. So are the arts. The proposal seems to ignore the fact that education must be broad in its scope if it is to raise society. A great technician can grab a gun and kill a hoard of his/her fellow students. We need a humanistic (or spiritual if you will) education to accompany the technology. Otherwise our society is doomed. I do not mean any particular religion or philosophy but rather a study of all of them.

The article acknowledges that fact in the last portion -- but without stating that outright.

As you can see, I could go on all day about what is wrong with this treatise. There are a lot of good proposals in it, but the analysis of why we are where we are has flaws, big ones, conservative ones.

One thing I would like to mention is that we pay for the cost of healthcare and education -- in part with money but also because of our inefficiency.

Corporations, businesses need to pay a much higher part of the cost of training people -- and they should do it by paying their taxes without receiving direct favors or compensation from the schools doing the training.

The final list of proposals includes some excellent ideas. Too bad that the tone is so demeaning to the American people.

I had to laugh when the treatise bragged at how educational "reforms" or as my children used to say, "deforms," of the past decade or so have improved educational performance only to, a few paragraphs later, admit that SAT and ACT scores have actually declined in recent years.

All state colleges including junior colleges should be free. Allowing poor students who owe loans to indenture the first years of their working lives to school administrations is a really bad, again, demeaning idea. Horrors!

I could go on and on. One thing I have to mention. The reason that Social Security benefits are taking such a large portion of our national income is that people are living longer and the baby boomer generation was much larger than preceding generations. Those facts are, to a great extent, benefits we owe to the wonders of science. The polio vaccine, the discovery that tobacco kills, that we need to exercise, so much that science and medicine have taught us in the last 40 years on top of birth control and women in the workplace have contributed to our longevity.

But -- no one has found a way to increase the energy of the average 70-year-old so that he/she can compete with the average 25-year-old. And the best of medical discoveries have not strengthened the legs and hearts of our 70-year-olds to the point that they can, most of them anyway, wait tables in a restaurant from 9-5 and sometimes stay over the supper hour to help out. Just not realistic.

I will not vote for any candidate who thinks means-testing Social Security or cutting its benefits are plausible ideas. The average Social Security benefit is about $1300-$1400 a month and the top rate a year ago was around $2200. I'm writing that off the top of my head, so I may be mistaken. I am 72, so my memory may be failing me. But look it up. Social Security is a rock bottom amount of money. And those seniors who managed to save as they worked should not be subject to a cut in that small amount from Social Security.

Let's help our young people in ways that don't penalize the elderly on Social Security. Remember. Social Security is how senior housing, nursing homes, etc. are funded. It is not a place to cut.

This proposal suggests cutting nominal corporate tax rates. We have heard that before. It leads to even less government money to fund the kinds of great infrastructure projects this treatise proposes.

Until we have corporate money out of our elections, it is my firm conviction that we will not be able to have meaningful tax reform.

Personally, I favor doing away with our international trade agreements and returning to import duties on goods. I was not so sure about that before reading this treatise, but the picture it paints of our place in the world in terms of trade is so bleak that I cannot see that more trade or even continuing the trade policy we now have will save us from ruin. We need to protect our industry. Sorry. But we do. It's either that, or forget about maintaining the sewers under our cities. We are on the road to ruin if we keep buying more trash from Asia than we sell to them.

My coarse, rather angry opinion about this treatise which will dazzle many who will not see its weakness and depressing view of our future.

The trade portion says nothing about the threat that our trade agreements pose to our legal system, especially our jury system in cases involving foreign corporations suing our governments.

More another day.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. MY, my, my....You make me feel lazy
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:34 PM
Oct 2015

I just cut and pasted the introduction.

You shold make this an OP. Not that certain people would bother to read or care, bu it certainly deserved to be seen widely.

Great job

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
50. Actually, I want to read it a second time and really analyze it and then prepare
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:07 AM
Oct 2015

an OP on it.

I suspect that it was written by more than one person and that the authors didn't really share a vision. But it will take me some days to get back to it to do justice to it.

I recall the results of the 2014 Democratic races a bit differently from the authors of the article. I thought the most liberal candidates won and more conservative Democrats lost but I need to check that.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
55. In Arkansas, at least, we had a lot of Conservadem candidates last year
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:08 AM
Oct 2015

and most of them were soundly defeated, including the candidates for Governor and US Senator.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
36. These Third Wayers are enemies to all but the 1%.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:15 PM
Oct 2015

Things will not change for the better until the Third Way ideology is resoundingly rejected and thrust out of the Demicratic Party. I fear things will have to get much worse before this happens.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
37. against Social Security and its expansion (saying it takes money from the working class?), for
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

outsourcing, against Medicare, saying that 2014 was because we talked about inequality too much, more war

they're goddamn zits: a fucking DALEY wants to slap American politics out of the hands of the American people, like we're a baby who'd grabbed a lighter, and then tell us it's all for our own good; he wants to revoke our driver's license just as we decide to steer our own future

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
41. I am so sick of hearing this shit.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015

US GDP was $18 trillion dollars last year. That is about 20% of the GDP of the entire planet. Just 0.1% of the people own 22% of the nations wealth, but we cannot afford to provide social services taken for granted by advanced societies because we don't have the money?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
45. I think it is significant that this group has come out on this.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 08:20 PM
Oct 2015

I do not remember them being this transparent before. Not in any election I have voted in. We must really have them on the run. But what they have said is not going to help them in any way that I can see. They basically told us that they were guilty of all the things we have been saying.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. They've been transparent since the 90's
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 08:26 PM
Oct 2015

They, and their forebearers at the DNC don't like liberals. Never been shy about saying it.

The Clinton;'s were great at glossing it over by triangulating.

They were just kind of publicly irrelevant for a while. But now that Clinton (TM) is getting traction, they want to remind her not to get too carried away by this "pandering to the base in the primary stuff." and remember where her real loyalties should be.

hedda_foil

(16,380 posts)
52. There's an implicit threat to any Democratic candidate who is getting too populist friendly.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:13 AM
Oct 2015

"Play with the populist tropes too much and you can forget about our friends funding your campaign."

This isn't new, but it's taken years for us to become fluent translators of their language.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
60. And this is why no endorsements, etc. The good thing is
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

that Bernie already knew this when he got into the race. God, I hope we trounce their ass. I do not like being owned.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
61. Volunteer to register Millennials to vote and then volunteer
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

to drive them to the polls.

They are the key to kicking ConservaDem ass.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
54. Lol, they hate Elizabeth Warren also. A bunch of elitest, self appointed morons who think they
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:54 AM
Oct 2015

know more than the rest of us about what's good for us. Which would be, they take most of the money from our economy and redistribute it among their Wall St Friends, and we can have some crumbs they decided are all WE need.

Never saw a more stupid, harmful to this country, bunch or out of touch, ignorant morons. Except maybe for the others like them, the Koch et al who are also trying to take over our country.

But we know about them now, changing their name from the DLC to the Third Way didn't help them much. Nothing else much changed about them.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
63. They have been saying this for years
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

And actually they manage to discourage progressive participation in elections, which causes Democrats to lose more often, which causes the third Way folk to say we have to move more to the right in economic issues.

As a parallel our party moving to the right on economic issues encourages the republicans to move further to the right which causes the "center" to move as well.


Whatever happens Bernie Sanders has been a crucial candidate in moving the party back to the left where it belongs!

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