BREAKING: Bernie Running As Well, Or Stronger, Than HRC In Key Swing States

[marym625]

Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 06:02 AM CDT
BREAKING: Bernie Running As Well, Or Stronger, Than HRC In Key Swing States

From Daily Kos:

This just out at 6 a.m. Eastern Time from the Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Click Here (yes, I'm farmer-like). It only covers Colorado, Iowa and Virginia:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is behind or on the wrong side of a too-close-to-call result in matchups with three leading Republican contenders, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, according to a Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released today.

And:

In several matchups in Iowa and Colorado, another Democratic contender, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, runs as well as, or better than Clinton against Rubio, Bush and Walker. Vice President Joseph Biden does not do as well.

Part of the reason this needs to be taken with a grain of salt is matchups against any opponents on the clown-car side is completely irrelevant since the spectacle there changes daily.

That said, while I've said time and again that Bernie has a very very steep hill to climb to win the nomination, I've never bought the line that he is a weaker general election candidate than Hillary Clinton primarily for the very issue of honesty, integrity and authenticity which, whether people like it or not, is a factor in the way people decide; they just don't sit down and compare each person's ten-point plan.

More at link.

Bernie Running as Well as HC in Swing States

Yes, this it is July. Yes, things can change overnight. But DAMN! This is fabulous news!

#Bernie2016

#FeelTheBERN

[Scootaloo]

1. Biden, huh? How's Elizabeth Warren polling?

[marym625]

6. As long as Bernie is ahead of someone actually declared

that's all I care about

[arcane1]

49. Yeah I am curious to see how long he remains included in these.

At some point it just seems like sand-bagging.

[shaayecanaan]

67. my guess is

if warren couldn't be tempted to throw her hat into the ring, it probably comes down to lack of ambition, or lack of a jam tart. So probably better that she didn't.

[merrily]

84. Cal Coolidge has 6 points

[madfloridian]

2. That's amazing.

Thanks for posting.

[marym625]

7. I actually went to DKos to grab a different article

But this was at the top of Team Bernie and it was too good not to post here!

[ruffburr]

3. Bouncing for Bernie-

[marym625]

8. AWESOME!

that's a K&R&B

[TwilightGardener]

4. Heh.

[marym625]

9. Showing support and

enthusiasm for Bernie is a big part of this group. This is a good thing.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. MSNBC Panel Reacts to ‘Stunning’ Unpopularity of Clinton in Swing State

i know ........... the morning joke and chuck slob but hey





Scarborough called the numbers “stunning.” President Barack Obama won all three states in the 2008 and 2012 general elections.

Meet the Press’ Chuck Todd said that if it was not for the media’s fascination with Donald Trump, the biggest story of the summer would be Clinton’s continued struggle “solidifying herself” among the Democratic base. The poll found socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) doing better than Clinton against Republicans in Iowa and Colorado.

“This fits another pattern of hers,” Todd said. “Whenever she’s been out front as the face of the Democratic Party, her numbers have gone down. They always have, whenever she is the focal point.”

When asked why that is, Todd answered Americans like Clinton more when she is in a supportive or operative role.

“You could just simply say she doesn’t wear well,” Todd said.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/msnbc-panel-reacts-to-stunning-unpopularity-of-clinton-in-swing-states/


Don't link this in GDP try to find the msnbc story the free beacon is a rag but the story is still true

[marym625]

10. Todd is close to the top of my list of the bottom feeders. But...

I do like what he says here

[Enthusiast]

29. He's a bottom feeder alright.

[RBInMaine]

78. Polls mean nothing right now. Absolutely NOTHING.

[marym625]

83. Funny how they meant so much when Sanders was at 3%

And now they're irrelevant

Obviously, as I stated in the OP, it's only July and anything can happen. But the meme that Sanders is unelectable, that he can't win the primary let alone the general, should be put to rest.

He can and he will win the White House!

[jalan48]

11. And this with very little media exposure (it's going to Trump).

[marym625]

14. Yep. And if anyone should be ignored, it's trump

[Dustlawyer]

88. Trump's popularity, ginned up by constant coverage of his every insult is just what Bernie

has been talking about. What is important to the media is not what is good for elections. They get better ratings showing these bombastic, childish comments rather than informing us of policy positions of these candidates. I wonder what would happen if they all did their jobs by asking all of these candidates their policy positions on the issues of the day instead of "What do you think of Trump's comment about you and your Mexican wife..."
Bernie had to train reporters on how to interview him! These networks rely upon the PUBLIC AIRWAVES to do business. They are OUR AIRWAVES!!! All the more reason to get Bernie in and revamp the FCC as well, getting rid of the industry insiders and make them protect the public airwaves.

[Fearless]

12. I'll be glad to see the "Clinton polls better" meme disappearing

[marym625]

15. Me too!

[nxylas]

22. I won't hold my breath

I'm sure it will go on being repeated whether it's true or not, like the "Bernie is a racist" meme.

[marym625]

25. Best way to get rid of false memes,

Don't repeat them

#BernieFightsRacism

#BernieIsWinning

#BernieStands4Equality

[sabrina 1]

33. Exactly. Don't feed the talking points, but do show the FACTS, the records, the

issues, there is no one in this race can top Bernie on every single issue of importance in the last several decades RIGHT UP TO THE PRESENT.

[marym625]

74. EXACTLY!

He's untouchable and unstoppable

[SoapBox]

13. Early yes but like you said, Fabulous!

...there was another poll post someplace about HRC's "trust" factor...which was very unfavorable.

The usual crowd was frothing at the mouth over that...ha.

GO Bernie!

[marym625]

17. Yeah, some people just don't lke that

But there's a reason for it. And frankly, I don't know why anyone would want to find out if that can be changed while in office.

[daleanime]

16. Now that just makes today....

that much nicer.

[marym625]

18. It's just a GORGEOUS DAY!!

[Plucketeer]

42. If we had storm clouds here

This news would run them off!

[marym625]

44. I know, right! ?

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

19. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

[marym625]

20. Bernie WILL WIN!

[retrowire]

21. better early than later!

this is terrific!!! yesss!!!

[marym625]

26. And it will only get better!

[aggiesal]

51. There's this old addage ...

"The earlier you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up."
Bernie has been behind since the beginning, so he has all kinds of time to catch up.
It appears that this is really starting to happen.

I believe, that HRC will never admit that she's behind and won't until that first
primary. By then, it might be too late.

[marym625]

79. yep. and it will be too late!

It's all about the people and the person that fights for living, breathing, real people (not the SCOTUS definition) is Senator Bernie Sanders!

#Bernie2016!

[Betty Karlson]

23. GREAT! So after Clinton and Sanders agree on

LGBT issues, PoC issues, immigration issues, we can now scrap electability from the list of considerations too?

This is awesome. These primaries become more and more about policies and policies alone.

No primaries were ever so much about just substance.

[marym625]

27. Yes, now that Clinton has agreed with Sanders

On most issues, and is proving he will be elected, we can concentrate on the issues again.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

40. Several vocal HRC supporters main line - "but he's unelectable". Just keep smiling...

[7962]

24. Havent seen Sanders fall short of any expectations yet. he's getting out there

[marym625]

28. Bernie ROCKS!

[Enthusiast]

30. Kicked, recommended and bounced a whole bunch!

[marym625]

36. K&R&B I love it!

[sabrina 1]

31. And WITHOUT CORPORATE MONEY and in just TWO MONTHS from being an almost

complete unknown, who says that a Progressive Message doesn't sell? Bernie proves that to have been false.

It will only grow as people learn about WHO he is, and what his record is as opposed to every single other candidate in this race.

[marym625]

37. Absolutely!

And he is listening and has proved that as well!

[AzDar]

32. Bernie!!

[marym625]

38. Yes!

Should have used at least one in the OP!.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

34. This says it all in a nutshell

Colorado Iowa Virginia
* Clinton 38 36 41
* Sanders 35 36 37

Plus


Haven't heard of the candidate
----------------------------------
Colorado - HRC 6% BS 39%
Iowa - HRC 9% BS 39%
Virginia - HRC 7% BS 46%

That gives Bernie a LOT to work with. Hillary is tapped out.

[marym625]

39. For sure!

Thanks for that. Makes it pretty clear

[sabrina 1]

43. It's about the issues, they know that, which is why they are not letting

Hillary go into situations where she will be faced with questions by real people. AND why we are seeing all the distractions. And they thought they could smear Bernie enough before people got to know him, that they wouldn't bother.

But none of the obvious attempts to do that worked, remember the 'socialist' meme, and the 'not electable' try, not 'viable' 'can't beat Republicans' 'Too far left' etc

People are not stupid, once they get a chance to hear someone for themselves, not the interpretation of those with an agenda, they know who is for them and who is not.

Hillary has an issues problem. And it's only going to get worse as time passes.

However, I do not count out the nastiness that we can expect. All that corporate money is going to be spent on taking him out of competition. So far, his supporters have been doing a great job of destroying the lies.

People cannot give up or get discouraged, that is the goal. In fact, as Manny, said we should be energized by these attempts to smear him, it is a sign of how worried they are, and they know better than we do from all their internal polls, what the real story is.

[RoccoR5955]

56. If he gets 2/3 of the people who haven't heard enough

He's got the win!
I know that he can do it!

[L0oniX]

65. ^^^this^^^

[Scuba]

35. Rec for posts 25 and 33 this thread.

[marym625]

41. Thanks Scuba!

It's like we're all in sync! .

[Zorra]

45. Thanks for the smile!

[marym625]

46. You are welcome!

We aim to please in the Sanders Group!

[WillyT]

48. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[marym625]

66. Thank you, WillyT

[rtracey]

50. come on

Look, any poll right now is basically meaningless. Hillary could go through the roof, Bernie could go through the roof, O'Malley could..hmmmm well maybe not, but anyway..no debates yet, no primaries yet.... plus who were the voters polled, just 1200 or so out of all the states population..... I'll wait until we get into primary season before I jump off a cliff.

[Trajan]

57. True ... BUT

Enthusiasm counts ...

K&R !

[rtracey]

58. well true

but saying shes behind now, lets see what happens when enthusiasm kicks in.....

[marym625]

68. Come on

He went from literally 0% to this in a couple months. It's good and encouraging news.

Yes, anything can happen. But ya know what? This has.

[rtracey]

90. ok

Yup he went from 0% to 35% or so in a few months, and its wonderful for those who support their specific candidate, but to walk the cliff because there are down poll numbers this far out?.........come on....

[marym625]

91. You are in the Bernie Sanders group

Which is to support Sanders.

[rtracey]

92. yes thank you

yes indeed I am, and whats your point.......your guy went from 0-35%... my point is...ok you know my point about polls now....

[marym625]

94. This is a group for support of Sanders

And your 4 posts on this thread do not do that. One post would be letting me know what your thoughts are on the polls. Four is belittling his surge.

You know exactly what my point was. And you know exactly why I just blocked you

[question everything]

52. So let me see if I understand you

You are happy, jumping for joy, because Rubio, Bush and Walker are leading both Clinton and Sanders in Iowa, Virginia and Colorado?

Looks to me that, except for Iowa against Bush, all three Republicans are leading Sanders more than Clinton. But I think that all are within the margin of error - 37 vs. 38?

[rbnyc]

55. No doubt

This is really distressing.

I don't fucking understand people, meaning those who support Rubio, Bush or Walker.

[marym625]

70. First

This -> is The Bernie Bounce

Second, Bernie went from 0% to this so yeah, I'm thrilled.

Third, the polls regarding the repugs are immaterial in this context.

Finally, just like Bernie has gained so much in the polls in such an incredibly short time, he will skyrocket once the debates start. No one can hold a candle to him.



Anything can happen and it is happening!

[senz]

53. There's hope for America yet!

Sounds like the American people are figuring it out.

Thank you and bravo!

[marym625]

71. Sounds like it!

Saw my first Bernie sign in an apartment window across the street today! YAY!

[TBF]

54. And THAT is why he is being swiftboated -

Certain people who like the way things are now (ie billionaires) will make sure this happens. It won't just be the BLM incident, he will be targeted in other ways as well. Anyone who talks seriously about class is a threat to the oligarchs in charge of this country and they will make up or create scandals if they have to.

As advocates for Bernie we are going to have to dig in and get ready for work (defend him).

[marym625]

72. Sometimes, the best defense is to ignore

That's just SOMETIMES. Because sometimes, though there maybe swift boating behind some of it, some of it is legitimate and letting the campaign and Sanders address it is the best thing we can do. Which happened and it's helped.

On other such things, we're ready. His record speaks for itself!

[TBF]

87. True -

and it's hard to know exactly where things are coming from at times. Waiting it out a little can be very good advice.

[kath]

59. So much for that bullshit "he's unelectable" line.

Go Bernie Go!!

[marym625]

73. EXACTLY!

#Bernie2016

[azmom]

60. Feeling the burn.

[marym625]

75. #FeelingTheBern!

Absolutely!

[cantbeserious]

61. Settling For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils Is No Longer The Only Option - Go Bernie Go

eom

[marym625]

76. and I will never settle again!

Thank goodness for Bernie! Like you said, we actually have a GREAT option. OK, you didn't exactly say that.

[hornyfrog]

62. HRC in debate

She would kick GOP bootie in a debate. Don't care if she starts an underdog. She is shrewd and tough. Don't ever count her out. 'Sides it is waaaaay too early.

[smokey nj]

63. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[marym625]

77. Doesn't really matter

Because it's not Hillary that will be debating the Republican nominee. It's going to be Bernie and he will murderlize them in the debates, the polls and at the voting booth!

[Kalidurga]

81. Hillary underdog status? You are too funny.

[secondwind]

64. AWESOME!!! Go Bernie!!

[marym625]

80. He's going! Right to the White House!

[cantbeserious]

69. No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[marym625]

82. Absolutely!

Do you know you said this up the thread a little? I love it! It's a first in my lifetime! At least my voting lifetime

[Change has come]

85. Gulp

#DejaVu

[eridani]

86. Just wait until we involve more of the 63% that didn't vote in 2014 n/t

[Babel_17]

89. Live by the meme, die by the meme

"The Inevitable Candidate" is now also known for having high negatives, and for consistently falling numbers. However you approach the matter, through charts and graphs, or just discussing it, you have one campaign losing popularity, and another gaining it.

If Biden enters it will look like an influential part of the moderate center has lost confidence in HRC.

[d_legendary1]

93. Somehow I agree with that last part

especially since that candidate tends to shoot itself in the foot when the going gets tough: