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108. Yeah, Marty Baron is known for caving to powerful opposition....

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:08 AM

Jan 2019

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I wish people could be more honest about why the very IDEA of this particular fact check enrages them.

Especially when a politician devotes most of an entire day this week to a back and forth about it.

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WAPO: Fact checks AOC statements on living and minimum wage [View all] ehrnst Jan 2019 OP

That article is shit manor321 Jan 2019 #1

"I'm no professional fact checker, but" - Julia Carrie Wong ehrnst Jan 2019 #6

Since she actually pointed out... tonedevil Jan 2019 #15

You don't seem to understand appeal to authority... ehrnst Jan 2019 #18

If you're going to say someone doesn't understand something melman Jan 2019 #21

I do understand it, and was pointing out what they got wrong. ehrnst Jan 2019 #22

Who is doing the fact checking... tonedevil Jan 2019 #24

Marty Baron's newsroom. ehrnst Jan 2019 #29

Since she's now protected her twitter account, so we can't see the reference any more... ehrnst Jan 2019 #116

Why are you saying.... tonedevil Jan 2019 #154

She has hidden her posts from anyone who isn't a follower ehrnst Jan 2019 #158

Fake news!!! (Screamed the true believers ..) n/t Apollyonus Jan 2019 #28

Here's a professional debunking of the "fact check". AOC is right EndGOPPropaganda Jan 2019 #126

Actually... you may not have seen this rebuttal to her rebuttal ehrnst Jan 2019 #148

But you must not have read the link I posted. EndGOPPropaganda Jan 2019 #160

AOC attacks a cite incorrectly to "prove" she is right and WAPO is wrong. ehrnst Jan 2019 #166

Kessler was wrong. WAPO was wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. EndGOPPropaganda Jan 2019 #172

"Wrong wrong wrong wrong?" Because it makes you unhappy? ehrnst Jan 2019 #173

Still a freshman backbencher exboyfil Jan 2019 #2

This fact check wasn't on DOTUS. It was about AOC's statements. ehrnst Jan 2019 #7

I think my comment is more directed at other media exboyfil Jan 2019 #8

I don't see that there is an issue with the media fact checking DT. ehrnst Jan 2019 #13

Facts are important. It serves no good purpose to exaggerate on these matters. It can be risky. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #3

walmart workers need public assistance Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #4

You may not have been able to read this part of the article: ehrnst Jan 2019 #14

I read it Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #16

This part: ehrnst Jan 2019 #17

focus on wrong part Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #19

No one is disputing that Walmart/Amazon "should pay people more." ehrnst Jan 2019 #20

they are examples Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #27

Why not say she goofed and will do better as she matures? Apollyonus Jan 2019 #32

because she didn't; the author did Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #36

mmmmkay Apollyonus Jan 2019 #37

The author is the WAPO fact check team. ehrnst Jan 2019 #48

no exemption for AOC or the press Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #54

Then I suggest you respond to them. ehrnst Jan 2019 #58

thank you for the discussion Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #59

+1000. ehrnst Jan 2019 #52

Economic theory assumes nothing. GeorgeGist Jan 2019 #23

Every theory makes baseline assumptions and builds on them. n/t Apollyonus Jan 2019 #33

And WalMart's minimum wage is $11 nationwide Recursion Jan 2019 #183

+1000. Dems have to measure up to the standards that we demand of the GOP. ehrnst Jan 2019 #9

+1000. Truth IS the high ground. If she is a good liberal, Hortensis Jan 2019 #43

"...this tactic is typically used extensively by populist movements bent on taking down governments..." NurseJackie Jan 2019 #44

And as you said, accuracy is critically important. Hortensis Jan 2019 #45

One should either fact-check for themselves, or have their staff do things like this for them. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #57

Yes. Note, her staff are NOT inexperienced. Although no doubt Hortensis Jan 2019 #69

Those tactics are ALL of those things. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #70

Unfortunately, Repubs have proven that bypassing intellect to Hortensis Jan 2019 #78

You have totally nailed it here! R B Garr Jan 2019 #118

Attacking fact checkers that don't tow the line is something that she learned ehrnst Jan 2019 #147

Getting defensive about being fact checked ehrnst Jan 2019 #51

Researchers say young people growing up in a world of IT lies Hortensis Jan 2019 #88

Indeed. ehrnst Jan 2019 #94

Amazon warehouses are a high-pressure, mis-managed shitholes with 80-90% turnover rates in 1st month TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #5

Who are they attack an awesome young Latina congresswoman by checking her facts? Empowerer Jan 2019 #10

.... ehrnst Jan 2019 #12

lol Apollyonus Jan 2019 #35

they could be more honest about it, but that's hard when you're owned by Bezos, I imagine. All JCanete Jan 2019 #73

Yeah, Marty Baron is known for caving to powerful opposition.... ehrnst Jan 2019 #108

that's not my issue at all. I laid out my actual problems with the article. From you on those? JCanete Jan 2019 #131

Actually, it was exactly your issue in the post above... ehrnst Jan 2019 #134

you literally responded to it with "and..." JCanete Jan 2019 #135

Oh that post - I was wondering what that had to do with the fact check. ehrnst Jan 2019 #141

then try harder. Plenty of things literally address issues in the article. But dismiss it if its JCanete Jan 2019 #142

Did you mention where AOC deleted a tweet with a claim that was debunked? ehrnst Jan 2019 #143

and how is that at all relevant to the article's biases and micharacterizations? nt JCanete Jan 2019 #144

OK, which article are we talking about now? ehrnst Jan 2019 #145

I addressed the WAPO article. What other article are we talking about? The OP is the WAPO JCanete Jan 2019 #150

Ah the fact check. Here is new information - there was a back and forth all day on Wednesday ehrnst Jan 2019 #151

ah, so you continue to avoid any point I've made. If my arguments are so bad, I'd prefer you JCanete Jan 2019 #156

Still not getting it, are you? ehrnst Jan 2019 #157

I don't get at all why you won't engage the points I laid out. You made the claim that the WAPO JCanete Jan 2019 #159

I could ask what you believe you are getting out of this exchange ehrnst Jan 2019 #163

The minimum wage in her last statement was a clear error dsc Jan 2019 #11

Yeah, it's pretty obvious she meant "a living wage" in that statement. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2019 #38

Polticians deal with statements. Words matter. ehrnst Jan 2019 #115

Thou must not fact check Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #25

The very definition of "appeal to authority." ehrnst Jan 2019 #30

More like melman Jan 2019 #39

I guess you're not familiar with the concept of sarcasm NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #40

..... ehrnst Jan 2019 #42

This might be true if you're a "FULL TIME WORKER" which most are not... PeeJ52 Jan 2019 #26

When I applied to Amazon last December trev Jan 2019 #41

The part-timeness is why so many workers struggle. nitpicker Jan 2019 #179

Facts are facts. Apollyonus Jan 2019 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #34

so basically this is a defense of Amazon and a slam on AOC bigtree Jan 2019 #46

It's a fact check on AOC's statements. ehrnst Jan 2019 #47

it's what I said bigtree Jan 2019 #49

Journalists holding politicians accountable for their statements is "riding herd" on them? ehrnst Jan 2019 #50

what's the relevance here at DU? bigtree Jan 2019 #53

The relevance of a fact check on a Democratic polician on DU? ehrnst Jan 2019 #56

Objectively, this @GlennKesslerWP fact check from yesterday should simply be retracted.' bigtree Jan 2019 #60

Objectively, why should we take the opinion of a reporter from Intercept & YT, which are very biased ehrnst Jan 2019 #67

the subjects at hand have an obvious bias of association bigtree Jan 2019 #68

I'm quite familiar with the Intercept and YT, as well as WAPO ehrnst Jan 2019 #71

objectively, you should take those arguments into account and if you can, refute them. JCanete Jan 2019 #74

Whatevs. ehrnst Jan 2019 #75

? JCanete Jan 2019 #77

!! ehrnst Jan 2019 #79

@# melman Jan 2019 #96

Omegerd!! ehrnst Jan 2019 #99

To be fair, it's really not that many. Mariana Jan 2019 #63

You keep falsely making things personal, I guess as a chosen R B Garr Jan 2019 #167

Breaking news: Kurt V. Jan 2019 #55

My question is: Does Walmart pay the same starting rate across the board or GemDigger Jan 2019 #61

Some states set minimum wage at higher than the federal one. Mariana Jan 2019 #62

Glassdoor.com is a good resource for that info: ehrnst Jan 2019 #64

Thanks for the link. GemDigger Jan 2019 #65

Walmart and Walton family government subsidies UpInArms Jan 2019 #66

what? Of course companies like Amazon and Walmart are essentially stiffing the public. They get JCanete Jan 2019 #72

And? ehrnst Jan 2019 #76

you want more? YOu said this article was a fact check. What is it fact-checking? Why did it JCanete Jan 2019 #90

Fact checking is pretty self explanatory ehrnst Jan 2019 #95

oh you...here I thought you were posting cuz you cared about facts, not what they say they JCanete Jan 2019 #97

I do care about facts. ehrnst Jan 2019 #98

Here's a fact that often gets overlooked - about 30 states already have a minimum wage.... George II Jan 2019 #102

and which among them has a $15 dollar minimum? JCanete Jan 2019 #104

California and New York. betsuni Jan 2019 #105

We will have 15 we certainly do not now in California. its going to be a while still before it gets JCanete Jan 2019 #106

Yeah, but that wasn't the point of the OP. $15 wasn't part of the discussion at first... George II Jan 2019 #123

"raising the Federal minimum wage is moot" melman Jan 2019 #129

My entire sentence: George II Jan 2019 #130

how would that make raising the federal minimum wage to 15 moot? it would only make it moot in like JCanete Jan 2019 #137

You skipped right over post #130. George II Jan 2019 #138

so, on average, raising the minimum wage, you would agree, is nowhere near moot, so why would that JCanete Jan 2019 #139

Read my posts, please. George II Jan 2019 #140

FWIW, half of Walmarts employees are part time TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #93

thank you, very informative post, and I totally agree. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #103

Ocasio-Cortez Rattles Pundits Across the Corporate Media Spectrum BeckyDem Jan 2019 #80

Not sure what this has to do with fact checking. ehrnst Jan 2019 #81

I didn't post for you. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #82

It's in response to me. ehrnst Jan 2019 #83

My post was in response to the OP. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #84

That would be my OP. ehrnst Jan 2019 #85

You didn't write the OP. Its not about you. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #86

OK. You responded to me. ehrnst Jan 2019 #87

No, my first post is in response to the OP. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #89

You posted it on a public forum and, thus, should expect comments from others EffieBlack Jan 2019 #91

I posted my response to the OP not the person who listed it. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #92

I don't think that WAPO is on DU... ehrnst Jan 2019 #114

You're not the author of the OP. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #161

WAPO is. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #162

Things that make you go, Hmm. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #164

Interesting... see the post above. ehrnst Jan 2019 #165

You finally see the distinction, good. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #168

Again... Since you are responding to WAPO, shouldn't you do it where they can actually ehrnst Jan 2019 #169

You're confused, willingly. BeckyDem Jan 2019 #170

No. Just pointing out the futility of responding to WAPO ehrnst Jan 2019 #171

Trump caved. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #100

So Amazon pays at least $15 per hour to its hourly workers. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #101

Those are not things she made statements about, so they weren't included in a fact check. ehrnst Jan 2019 #107

Understood, but these factors are vital to understanding the larger point. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #127

Again - what does that have to do with the fact check? ehrnst Jan 2019 #152

UPDATE: AOC apologizes for trying to discredit WAPO cite for the fact check. Sort of. ehrnst Jan 2019 #109

Hot Air linked and quoted with approval on Democratic Underground? Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #110

Is it the documentation of the whole back and forth that bothers you? ehrnst Jan 2019 #111

No. Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #112

I acknowledge your claim on the link. ehrnst Jan 2019 #113

Acknowledge my claim on the link?! Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #117

Apparently it was the most pressing political issue preoccupying some reps on the Hill this week ehrnst Jan 2019 #119

The FACTS noted in the original post (with the hot air link) are now exactly the same sans... George II Jan 2019 #124

Speaking of odd allies... ehrnst Jan 2019 #132

Some call this sort of thing "whataboutism" melman Jan 2019 #133

That one left a mark, eh? ehrnst Jan 2019 #136

Of course melman Jan 2019 #146

Actually, whataboutism is when someone defends something by pointing to something else.. ehrnst Jan 2019 #149

"Denzil has yet to reply" because Denzil had other things to do during the course of the day. Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #153

Didn't work, huh? ehrnst Jan 2019 #174

What didn't work was your attempt at deflection with a nonsense comparison. Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #178

I guess you didn't read my response to your critique about RW sources... ehrnst Jan 2019 #180

I did. They're irrelevant to my objection. Read my post above again. I didn't make "numerous posts". Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #181

It's your choice to read or not read, and spend your time or not on DU, yes? ehrnst Jan 2019 #182

Amazing isn't it? melman Jan 2019 #128

Great find. Calling people corrupt lobbyists as a default R B Garr Jan 2019 #120

Tweeting while angry doesn't lend itself to thoughtful, well researched rebuttals. ehrnst Jan 2019 #121

Yes, the Twitter wars do appear to be indiscriminate and R B Garr Jan 2019 #122

Good article Gothmog Jan 2019 #125

This is why hyperbole is so destructive to real dialogue. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #155

Usually, experience at the local level in politics allows you to make these kinds of ehrnst Jan 2019 #175

Funny I've only seen her fact checked JackInGreen Jan 2019 #176

I guess you don't see many fact checking sites, or newspapers, or posts on DU... ehrnst Jan 2019 #185

Uh... fact check... my niece worked at a local Amazon distribution center lapfog_1 Jan 2019 #177

Your niece's story would be something that WAPO or NYT would be interested in hearing. ehrnst Jan 2019 #184

I believe the way they get away with this is "employment status" lapfog_1 Jan 2019 #186

That's not what they stated in their press release. ehrnst Jan 2019 #187