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In reply to the discussion: That was pretty goddamned incoherent, frankly. [View all]iandhr
(6,852 posts)93. Actually no
Last edited Wed Sep 11, 2013, 02:14 PM - Edit history (2)
If diplomacy fails the President can come back to congress and the American people and say.
"The United States has made a good faith effort to resolve the situation diplomatically. Unfortunately these efforts have come up short. I now ask congress to authorize the use of force"
If that happened I think many Americans who are currently against would change their minds.
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Five years between Vietnam and Reagan's election "to make America strong again"
bananas
Sep 2013
#369
Rachel was just talking about this. The US HAS destroyed nearly all its stockpiles.
Hekate
Sep 2013
#237
some people are so mad at the country for various things they'll be in denial about stuff like this.
dionysus
Sep 2013
#422
Please explain why it was not complex to destroy 90% of the stockpile...
former9thward
Sep 2013
#443
"I state only facts," you say, just before blaming Russia for all of Syria's dead.
Comrade Grumpy
Sep 2013
#460
There is generally a good precedent that you let them know that all options are on the table
CAG
Sep 2013
#192
You noticed the Unitary Executive thing, too? He was directly referencing the Youngstown decision,
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#76
That it went right over the head of the OP is understandable, but regrettable. He did something
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#101
When he said that he had the authority to act, but believed that this authority was
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#149
That's the second time I've heard that from his lips: Unitary Executive, GOP wetdream since Nixon...
Hekate
Sep 2013
#234
Yes, it's so important to read between the lines to really understand this president.
gtar100
Sep 2013
#365
Pootie desperately needs the situation to be status quo ante bellum or he's out a small fortune.
MADem
Sep 2013
#213
There was no drama in Obama's brief remark. You're trying to create some, though, and I'm
MADem
Sep 2013
#525
I hate to tell you this, but even the KKK and those Stormfront nuts are Obama's constituents.
MADem
Sep 2013
#530
You apparently don't understand, won't grasp what I am saying, and I'm tired of arguing with you.
MADem
Sep 2013
#535
I take great comfort in the knowledge that the number of people that think that Putin
Number23
Sep 2013
#495
Military strikes in national security interest of the US. Make my children safer.
The Link
Sep 2013
#4
Not only was it incoherent, I had the impression that the President knew it.
winter is coming
Sep 2013
#6
I am ONE - maybe the only one? "America looks like a warmonger" . . . damm straight.
ConcernedCanuk
Sep 2013
#357
Pootie doesn't want the USA to target any piers in Tartus, that's the real bottom line.
MADem
Sep 2013
#267
Well, I'm having a hard time understanding because frankly, it makes no sense.
Llewlladdwr
Sep 2013
#102
Bwahaha! Still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! How many lost on popcorn stock?
freshwest
Sep 2013
#455
I don't think a lot of the detractors on this thread are going to like the home page today either...
MADem
Sep 2013
#457
Right-Wing Media's Love Affair With Putin Continues Over Syria Weapons Proposal
freshwest
Sep 2013
#290
I dont think he even really neede to give the speech..unless we were bombing tomorrow
NightWatcher
Sep 2013
#11
It was scheduled on the eve of the Senate vote, and I believe it was originally intended
winter is coming
Sep 2013
#60
The whole world was watching or listening. Every word was deliberate and had purpose.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#16
I heard the man ask for some time to continue to pursue a diplomatic solution to completion.
Skidmore
Sep 2013
#28
The glory days are no more, and peace is bor-ring. Speaking of the rule of balls:
freshwest
Sep 2013
#474
Some posters on this site know only one gear. And they crank that gear right into a tree. nt
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#506
I agree. I understood what the President was doing. Diplomacy with a big stick at the ready
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#507
It was perfectly clear if you didnt have your fingers in your ears going
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#190
Ha...looks like the one who almost got blocked today who people say is rude ALL
Laura PourMeADrink
Sep 2013
#513
Thanks for the summary version. I wasn't about to sit through the whole thing.
BlueStreak
Sep 2013
#47
Very weird observation. Reagan dyed his whole head at 80+ and PBO is going gray at 50-something
Hekate
Sep 2013
#228
What's most disheartening is we are wasting so much time and effort on this
Snake Plissken
Sep 2013
#57
Well, I think you're wrong, but you're looking for approval here, so I'll leave it at that.
MADem
Sep 2013
#62
So you and a maybe a couple hundred others are members of his "fan club" big deal.
4bucksagallon
Sep 2013
#366
That's pretty asinine. Those of us calling you out all disagree with the OP....
Hekate
Sep 2013
#531
+ a million, Summer. I 100% agree with MADem that this OP is nothing but a Will Pitt "look at me!!"
Number23
Sep 2013
#434
We are going to buy Assad's cooperation, just like we always do and call it a 'diplomatic solution'
Snake Plissken
Sep 2013
#161
No they aren't. They have a direct and DIRE interest in averting missile strikes.
MADem
Sep 2013
#256
That is a tiny port not capable of handling aircraft carriers, it's basically a re-supply depot
Snake Plissken
Sep 2013
#274
Yes, Russia had a lot to lose. So they put the squeeze on Assad. What's so hard to understand?
freshwest
Sep 2013
#518
It's a malady of the those who have intelligence without wisdom: a tendency to jump to their
alcibiades_mystery
Sep 2013
#284
Yes--I am. On a batshit insane thread, I find the poster who sees a 'glint' in the President's
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#95
The we "don't do pinprick strikes" thing obviously refers to the fact that America has such an
arewenotdemo
Sep 2013
#454
^^^^THIS post makes this trainwreck of an OP worthwhile. I wish I could rec this post of yours.^^^^^
MADem
Sep 2013
#145
+1, Quaker Bill. See, all you people who wished you could Rec this, I just did! :-) nt
Hekate
Sep 2013
#271
"he had no shame in explicitly identifying and defending American exceptionalism"
winter is coming
Sep 2013
#137
"And a failure to stand against the use of chemical weapons would... embolden Iran" - Obama
grahamhgreen
Sep 2013
#99
The one thing the President got wrong was suggesting that the 'Right' support our military
Snake Plissken
Sep 2013
#134
And let's not forget the reason he is 200 votes short in the House - 72% of all American voters
truedelphi
Sep 2013
#254
Ha. It's incoherent to understand the desire to stop a dictator from gassing people? GEEZ nt
Laura PourMeADrink
Sep 2013
#215
Are you serious? Hardly the same. Bush and Cheney were lying and making shit
Laura PourMeADrink
Sep 2013
#282
And what about Kerry's claim that Syria's chemical weapons are a threat to the US?
Doctor_J
Sep 2013
#381
Why yes--coming from the head of a country that is the chief weapons supplier to the world
eridani
Sep 2013
#360
circumstances required an entire new speech and he seemed to keep half of the old one
carolinayellowdog
Sep 2013
#222
Will is one of the "cool kids" who will lose his street cred if he ever admits he was wrong
scheming daemons
Sep 2013
#314
What is with the constant name calling? Other poster calls Will a fool, then you
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#416
I don't think it was as incoherent as all that. I think you're wrong on this one. nt
Hekate
Sep 2013
#241
YOu aren't wrong, but we have to be less wrong than the republicans. Is this the way?
Mellow Drama
Sep 2013
#276
When the wall came down and the cold war ended I thought this world police shit would stop.
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#283
It was coherent to anyone with a triple digit IQ and no anti-Obama agenda
scheming daemons
Sep 2013
#312
My fellow Americans, I need some some new speechwriters. Or at least a copyeditor to make sure part
avaistheone1
Sep 2013
#320
Your title sounds like something Newt Gingrich would say, with that "frankly" tick.
SunSeeker
Sep 2013
#351
Like I've said before. we know who's really running the media and the gov't in this country
Roland99
Sep 2013
#387
Yep! "Obey international norms, or we'll violate an international norm and blow your shit up."
backscatter712
Sep 2013
#374
He sounded a lot like somebody who had the opponent inside his loop and can't adjust
Lee-Lee
Sep 2013
#380
First thing I said to my wife when it was over: "I don't really know what he just said!"
beerandjesus
Sep 2013
#400
RE: Splicing some stuff about diplomacy into an already prepared pro-war speech at the last minute.
No DUplicitous DUpe
Sep 2013
#480
Hey stonecutter357, Librarian's are awesome people. They do have that nasty habit of saying shhh
Autumn
Sep 2013
#412
Should have used the time to say: Syria looks like we can find a sollution.. so let me use this
glowing
Sep 2013
#469
Poll: 69% of Americans Viewed Obama’s Syria Speech Positively, 61% Favor His Approach
Tx4obama
Sep 2013
#496