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GGJohn

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68. Well, in my home, the statistics are wrong. eom.

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Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:46 PM

Aug 2015

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And again, guns are not toys, they're nothing more than a tool that's 100% safe if used properly and responsibly.

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It is time to unfuck America. [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2015 OP

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #1

This morning there was a post okasha Aug 2015 #2

Start by getting them off the police force. nt JEB Aug 2015 #7

okasha sheshe2 Aug 2015 #25

I'm so sorry your dad had such a devastating illness. okasha Aug 2015 #29

Thank you okasha. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #134

Yet 99.9% of firearms will never be used in a crime, GGJohn Aug 2015 #3

Inconvenient facts, those. beevul Aug 2015 #4

Jury results. beevul Aug 2015 #59

Thanks for the results. GGJohn Aug 2015 #69

Funny thing about that. beevul Aug 2015 #71

Yep, funny thing about that, GGJohn Aug 2015 #75

So the alerter DashOneBravo Aug 2015 #157

Pretty sure now who the alerter is. GGJohn Aug 2015 #188

I think you are partially correct, but there is either a partner in crime or a sock in this as well. beevul Aug 2015 #189

I think you're correct. GGJohn Aug 2015 #190

Do me a favor. beevul Aug 2015 #192

I was sent a PM, I won't post by who, but I'll post everything else. GGJohn Aug 2015 #193

Both alerts, word for word exactly alike. GGJohn Aug 2015 #194

Basically impossible... beevul Aug 2015 #195

Let me PM the person who originally sent me the results GGJohn Aug 2015 #197

Ok, I reached out to the person and they responded with the complete alert. GGJohn Aug 2015 #198

Do you have actual stats for that? sheshe2 Aug 2015 #5

Considering that there are 300 million+ firearms in this country, GGJohn Aug 2015 #8

Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #104

The statistics do matter, despite what you may think. GGJohn Aug 2015 #106

Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #107

Your needle is stuck, you keep repeating the same slogan. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #109

Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics - Dead Is Dead cantbeserious Aug 2015 #110

Give your head a bump, that should fix the problem. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #112

Matters Not The Statistics - Dead Is Dead cantbeserious Aug 2015 #114

Nothing intelligent to say? GGJohn Aug 2015 #115

Intelligence Provided - Multiple Times - Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #116

Uh huh. GGJohn Aug 2015 #117

I Do So Say - Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #118

You can do the math for yourself.. X_Digger Aug 2015 #10

Keeping a gun in the home is not a very "responsible" thing to do. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #6

That's bullshit, GGJohn Aug 2015 #9

It's a stupid personal choice. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #11

Number 1. GGJohn Aug 2015 #12

Try taking up fishing with your lovely wife. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #13

We already do fish, GGJohn Aug 2015 #14

Good. If you have cattle and hogs then you don't need to hunt. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #15

We eat a lot of fish, GGJohn Aug 2015 #16

I cook trout the same way! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #19

Those women in the Women’s Shelter need to have the guns taken from their abusive ex. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #20

You and I wholeheartedly agree on that. GGJohn Aug 2015 #22

With all due respect, I don't think you understand how statistical probability works. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #18

GGJohn is an anonymous poster on the internet. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #21

Mansplaining? That would be some trick... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #23

Well, obviously you don't need to be a man to explain something in a condescending way. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #27

pot.kettle.black Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #31

Gun ownership is stupid and irresponsible. It is a statistical fact. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #37

No, it's not. GGJohn Aug 2015 #46

Guns are deadly toys for the obsessed who horde them. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #50

Well, in my home, the statistics are wrong. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #68

While you may not consider it a toy, others do. progressoid Aug 2015 #91

Well then, he's a freakin idiot and the type of person I wouldn't want to be around GGJohn Aug 2015 #93

Yes, he is a freakin' idiot. progressoid Aug 2015 #96

Wow. Poster points the 'mansplaining' finger, at a woman. beevul Aug 2015 #32

Apparently, that was "condescending." Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #35

The eye of the beholder is very selective, in certain people... beevul Aug 2015 #38

Truth. As this subthread illustrates. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #41

When you start a sentence "With all due respect," everyone knows no respect is involved. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #43

Ah, and now an accusation of disingenuousness! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #47

You haven't disputed any of the statistics I cited. All you do is attack me. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #49

RIF. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #52

It's a MAD, MAD WORLD!!!!!! lol EX500rider Aug 2015 #53

GGJohn is an anonymous poster on the internet. GGJohn Aug 2015 #24

The clinically depressed love and value life as well LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #28

I can only go by our beliefs, GGJohn Aug 2015 #30

Well congratulations and be well. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #33

Thank you GGJohn Aug 2015 #34

This isn't just about you. Your guns are a danger to everyone in your household. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #42

The only people in our household are my wife and myself, GGJohn Aug 2015 #45

And a neighbor of ours killed... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #51

Over 20,000 Americans commit suicide with guns each year. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #90

Do you have evidence that those suicides would not have happened without firearms. branford Aug 2015 #99

Yes. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #123

Kindly explain why suicide rates in the rest of the developed world branford Aug 2015 #127

Israel proved that if you remove the gun from the home, suicides decrease. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #135

The study does not prove what you allege. branford Aug 2015 #149

Sadly, thanks to the NRA, there haven't been much US gun violence studies since 1996. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #154

Sadly, thanks to the NRA, there haven't been much US gun violence studies since 1996. GGJohn Aug 2015 #159

Thanks to President Obama they did one sarisataka Aug 2015 #160

It would seem so. GGJohn Aug 2015 #161

Do you have a link to it that is not a right wing site? nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #162

I gave it to you before sarisataka Aug 2015 #164

What did it conclude about suicide? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #166

Exactly, it is not a conclusive report sarisataka Aug 2015 #169

Then you misrepresented the report. It was not research. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #171

I never said sarisataka Aug 2015 #172

OFFS. That is ridiculous. I know exactly what you said. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #175

It did address suicide sarisataka Aug 2015 #177

It does not. You lied and have the nerve to insult me. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #186

Lots of false accusations sarisataka Aug 2015 #187

And CDC never got that $10 million to do the research. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #173

I'm not afraid of the CDC sarisataka Aug 2015 #174

Did it study gun suicides? Got a link that isn't a right wing site? nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #163

No it hasn't. What actual research has been done? nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #167

Once there is no gun, killing yourself or others becomes harder treestar Aug 2015 #182

Really? GGJohn Aug 2015 #191

you really don't see the difference? treestar Aug 2015 #199

Then why does Japan have a higher suicide rate than the US? GGJohn Aug 2015 #200

Out of 80-100 million people who own guns, 20ish thousand take their own lives on impulse. beevul Aug 2015 #84

20,000 deaths each year is statistically significant. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #92

While those deaths are tragic due to the state of our mental health system, GGJohn Aug 2015 #95

Those deaths are due to the easy availability of guns, not mental illness. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #97

No, it's not. GGJohn Aug 2015 #98

See my post #123 above. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #125

In itself by itself, yes it is... beevul Aug 2015 #176

.1% can do a lot of damage treestar Aug 2015 #62

So are alot of objects, yet GGJohn Aug 2015 #70

What objects ? treestar Aug 2015 #73

Oh, let's see here, GGJohn Aug 2015 #74

Autos are used for transportation treestar Aug 2015 #79

I thought the overriding issues was how many people are killed hack89 Aug 2015 #80

how are auto deaths to be avoided? treestar Aug 2015 #85

Oh, ok then, GGJohn Aug 2015 #81

Which is not the issue as you know treestar Aug 2015 #86

So, again, GGJohn Aug 2015 #87

Everyone who dies is treestar Aug 2015 #88

Who's Gina? GGJohn Aug 2015 #89

Yes, guns can indeed kill people and animals, besides use in sport. branford Aug 2015 #103

By your logic there should be no breathalyzers treestar Aug 2015 #180

Even more horrifying... beevul Aug 2015 #183

Huh? treestar Aug 2015 #184

Keep your words out of my mouth, thanks. beevul Aug 2015 #185

KnR Yeah, that American exceptionalism. There is a streak of madness in our society. nt Hekate Aug 2015 #17

Indeed it is. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #26

The best outcome for gun ownership is you'll never use it. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #36

A very good point regarding using lethal force. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #39

Thank you. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #40

Indeed. And get rid of the death penalty too n/t eridani Aug 2015 #44

a good topic for discussion. I think a start would be to not allow to leave a gun unattended in cars Sunlei Aug 2015 #48

Over all the US rate is at the low end of the scale: EX500rider Aug 2015 #54

Sure, compared with 3rd world countries that are have genocidal wars and revolutions ThoughtCriminal Aug 2015 #55

We are better than Uganda what a win for America Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #56

Low end looks more like middle, and only compared to totally barbaric areas doesn't solve issues nightscanner59 Aug 2015 #57

"Murder rate in U.S. hovers at 10 per 100,000" EX500rider Aug 2015 #58

The OP chart sarisataka Aug 2015 #60

Where do you get 10 per 100,000? Statistical Aug 2015 #65

PEW Research: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware NickB79 Aug 2015 #61

There has been one mass shooting each day this year Gothmog Aug 2015 #63

Those murdered one at a time are neither less dead nor happier discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #83

"We're number one!!" smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #64

I think a lot about the shit that goes on Quayblue Aug 2015 #66

I would be very curious to know how many "pro lifers" own guns . Initech Aug 2015 #67

Gun nuts won't like this but more guns=more gun deaths. Period. alarimer Aug 2015 #72

Not according to the FBI's UCR, GGJohn Aug 2015 #76

Not true.. The percentage of households with guns has not "greatly increased." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #100

No poll can prove that households with firearms has gone down, GGJohn Aug 2015 #101

Riiiight. Polls lie. Except when they agree with you. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #102

Aren't you doing the same thing? GGJohn Aug 2015 #105

Nope. You have cited no polls/links re "dramatically increased." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #108

Fair enough. GGJohn Aug 2015 #111

This does not say gun ownership in the US has "increased dramatically." It is not even a poll. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #119

It still proves that firearm ownership is increasing in the country, GGJohn Aug 2015 #121

No, it doesn't. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #126

Since you're so stuck on polls, here's one. GGJohn Aug 2015 #130

I am not advocating banning all guns. This chart has nothing to do with gun ownership rates. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #133

Speaking of the CDC sarisataka Aug 2015 #139

That has nothing to do with the CDC; it says there is disagreement as to defensive use numbers. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #143

You're the one who brought up the subject of the CDC and how the NRA GGJohn Aug 2015 #146

Didn't follow the link, sarisataka Aug 2015 #147

Another false statement. GGJohn Aug 2015 #140

Nope, the CDC is not "free" to do studies on gun violence. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #151

Bullshit GGJohn Aug 2015 #155

So cite to all this post-1996 CDC research. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #170

The article cites nothing but gun control advocates branford Aug 2015 #156

So what research has the CDC done since 1996? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #168

There are unquestionably more guns in the US now. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #137

Great post. GGJohn Aug 2015 #142

We have cut our murder rate in half over the past 20 years hack89 Aug 2015 #94

Our gun death numbers have not been cut in half. Suicides, if anything, have gone up. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #113

"Statistically insignificant" does not mean the deaths are not tragic, branford Aug 2015 #120

See my post #123 in this thread. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #128

It doesn't even begin to explain why suicide rates in other comparable developed countries branford Aug 2015 #129

You left the part out where I said that those deaths are tragic. GGJohn Aug 2015 #122

If you thought they were tragic, you would want to do something about them. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #124

I already put forth a reasonable solution, GGJohn Aug 2015 #150

In what post #? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #152

This one. GGJohn Aug 2015 #158

Those are all great gun control ideas, but most suicides are not people adjudged mentally ill. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #165

That's a reasonable idea I could get on board with. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #179

So did suicides go up in direct proportion the number of guns? hack89 Aug 2015 #131

It appears so. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #136

So the Great Recession had nothing to do with it? hack89 Aug 2015 #178

Possibly...but the previous spike also includes a recession that hasn't truly ended for most. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #148

And all people who died in auto accidents are "just as dead." treestar Aug 2015 #181

K & R! Very, very good post PatrickforO Aug 2015 #77

Last night a deputy was pumping gas into his partol car, was shot from behind in the head, Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #78

The suspected shooter had a lengthy (and serious) police record. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #144

K&R Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #82

K&R betsuni Aug 2015 #132

K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #138

Doesn't this tiresome discussion belong in the Gun Dungeon? Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2015 #141

The prohibition on gun discussions in GD is a bit of a joke. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #145

It likely does sarisataka Aug 2015 #153

" . . . scaredy-cats who wanted to look like lions." Major Hogwash Aug 2015 #196

Name change needed to Gunited States of America. nt valerief Aug 2015 #201

We avail ourselves too much of Stalin's axiom... LanternWaste Aug 2015 #202