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R. P. McMurphy

(837 posts)
37. Over a period of years.
Thu May 2, 2024, 06:52 PM
May 2

When I was about 11 I was introduced to fossils, atomic dating methods and plate tectonics. This was when I started thinking about the incongruities between science and religion.

By my late teens it was clear that stories such as that of Noah were merely ways to explain to curious humans why there were marine fossils on the tops of mountains or what is a rainbow. I was firmly agnostic by this point.

In college I was exposed to the rigors of the scientific method. It was there that I learned that the story of the great flood actually predated history. A mythology class taught me many ridiculous beliefs that various cultures have held. This is when I first embraced athesim.

In ensuing years, when having theological discussions and being pressed to commit one way or another, I would respond with "on a good day I'm merely agnostic."

Over the years I've been fortunate enough to have witnessed scientist's growing understanding of the quantum universe. Paradigms that once seemed so sure now waver at the edge of what we may soon be able to observe. Could there be a Schrodinger's God?

Another influence on my thoughts have been the lovely psychedelics that have come my way. I have heard that if one takes them often enough you'll eventually see God. I haven't actually seen God but I have been intimently in their presence on several occasions. During those episodes,and continuing with me now, I want nothing more than to remain in the presence of the peace, love, joy, blinding light and the sense that beings I will know and love are all around me; just out of sight.

Now, in my 60's, I still can't believe in the Old Testament. I am pretty fond of Jesus' teachings but the hatred and ignorance of a substantial number who purport to be his followers keep me from claiming to be a Christian. I don't know enough about any other religion to know what my beliefs about them may really be.

So, rationally and in the absence of some convincing evidence, I remain an atheist. Psychedelic experiences may just be manifestations of my hope. I do know that that there is so much that my pitiful human mind can never comprehend. I do believe that the universe holds wonders that would astound us and may be, actually, god-like(?).

I'll paraphrase Mark Twain. When asked if he feared death he asked why he should. He said that he knew nothing in the eternity before he was born and that he wouldn't know anything after he died. Here's to hoping he's wrong and my psychedelic vision is more the model of what's to come.

If only I could believe.

I went to Sunday School as a Presbyterian. I loved applegrove May 1 #1
My parents sent me to a different Christian Bible School every summer. LakeArenal May 1 #2
About 25 years of age. I got tired of it being crammed down my throat AND Ferrets are Cool May 1 #3
A few years after realizing there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny. Silent Type May 1 #4
Not sure the age but young. My Dad tried to shove religion down our throats. CousinIT May 1 #5
God has become a tool for the oligarchs Farmer-Rick May 10 #63
When God said to me that he didn't exist. Doodley May 1 #6
Due to family, church people, and friends' pressure, I joined the church and was baptized when I was thirteen years old. spike jones May 1 #7
By 18 after 9 years of Catholic school. MOMFUDSKI May 1 #8
George Carlin said SCantiGOP May 2 #49
Teenager, 15 or 16 I guess vanamonde May 1 #9
As George Carlin said, "I was a Catholic, until I hit the age of reason." (paraphrasing) alwaysinasnit May 1 #10
0. Just like everyone. Voltaire2 May 1 #11
Unfortunately almost everyone on the planet is indoctrinated Bundbuster May 1 #12
Your Unitarians had doctrine!? CCExile May 2 #25
Back in the 1950's most Unitarians in that church Bundbuster May 2 #47
I've heard Unitarians described as SCantiGOP May 2 #50
Yep. Cultural Christian. We know all the bible stories, but CCExile May 2 #52
Pretty late in life--50ish. Timeflyer May 1 #13
Probably about the time I found out Santa doc03 May 1 #14
I never believed the Bible stories from the children's lessons in Church. pandr32 May 1 #15
Age: 21. Occasion: The night my 19 year old brother died in a car wreck. watrwefitinfor May 1 #16
Thanks for sharing, very thoughtful and forthright Bundbuster May 1 #17
Around seven. Susan Calvin May 1 #18
At about the same age as you. BigmanPigman May 1 #19
LOL - my atheist father would throw me a smirk as he read the Sunday paper on the couch Bundbuster May 1 #21
It solidified in my early teens. canuckledragger May 1 #20
Started questioning around 12 Faux pas May 2 #22
About 8. When professional wrestling would come on TV after the church programs Sunday mornings. sybylla May 2 #23
I went to Catholic School. If you weren't Catholic you couldn't go to heaven. twodogsbarking May 2 #24
Thought you were going to go the Billy Joel route unblock May 2 #28
I was 12. When my dad died. I hadn't been brainwashed, indoctrinated or groomed in anyway before that and ever brewens May 2 #26
Always. First time I had the concept of god explained to me I said "what the f*ck is this sh*t?" unblock May 2 #27
Uvalde maptap22 May 2 #29
(( )) Deuxcents May 2 #45
about age 15. just decided this God stuff made no sense. NoRethugFriends May 2 #30
I went to Catholic school 12 years. I dont ever remember believing really. Srkdqltr May 2 #31
As an alter boy I learned mass in Latin. Arne May 2 #32
I was christened in the Church of England Skittles May 2 #33
...made up this religion so he could divorce his wife to marry his pregnant girlfriend, who he later had beheaded. Bundbuster May 2 #44
*SNORT* Skittles May 3 #61
I think it was probably about 13 or 14...I grew up in the First Baptist Church walkingman May 2 #34
During high school Cartoonist May 2 #35
In my 30s AmBlue May 2 #36
Over a period of years. R. P. McMurphy May 2 #37
In stages. no_hypocrisy May 2 #38
About 18 gibraltar72 May 2 #39
HA!!! gay texan May 2 #57
I was raised Mormon YodaMom2 May 2 #40
Welcome to DU, YodaMom2, and especially to this Forum Bundbuster May 2 #43
Thanks! YodaMom2 May 2 #46
Watching my grandfather watch Oral Roberts beveeheart May 2 #41
Assume I was born that way. Freethinker65 May 2 #42
Catholic - mindlessly ate meat on a Friday - caught by my neighbor rurallib May 2 #48
I was a skeptic before I was a teenager, and a card-carrying atheist by around 15. Chainfire May 2 #51
2022 CountAllVotes May 2 #53
Around 30, flakey_foont May 2 #54
Seeing the control of repukes in the White House since 2000 I have become more agnostic! kimbutgar May 2 #55
16 or 17, via rock n roll gay texan May 2 #56
I've never been a believer. chowder66 May 2 #58
11 years old if..fish..had..wings May 2 #59
Some time later in grade school, but a seed of doubt was planted early on. dgauss May 2 #60
Was around ten or twelve for me too Woodwizard May 6 #62
When I discovered girls wyldwolf May 22 #64
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