2016 Postmortem

heaven05

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240. Oh man !!!!!!!

Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:15 AM

Aug 2015

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what BS. Jewish people are viewed for the most part as Caucasian in skin tone. A Jewish person CAN hide in plain sight from those groups mentioned above that you are so terribly concerned about and afraid of. Pogroms of the Jewish people, historically, are a reality, true. No argument. The day to day reality of the continuing white racism, ignorance and stupidity of the members of the 5 groups you mentioned, as well as many just plain privileged white folks of amercan society, in your response above, are calling for the eradication of black americans and/or a return to historical subservience of POC to the american white race, no matter the class, in the least possible scenario. Those mentioned by you are NOT actively looking for a new pogrom against the Jewish people unless one of their members start spouting off about ovens and the like. . Like I said a majority of Jewish people can, if they so choose, hide in plain sight in any country. Now let's discuss where a POC can hide......

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Sanders: Obama lost touch with grass-roots movement! [View all] KoKo Aug 2015 OP

I don't think he lost touch with it. ibegurpard Aug 2015 #1

You're wrong. n/t jaysunb Aug 2015 #5

As in intentionally AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #190

I disagree. apnu Aug 2015 #195

The one we lost because the nation was pissed off about Obamacare? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #250

Used it to get what? Higher profits for Wall Street? That's what he got. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #207

He is right Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #2

he couldn't ibegurpard Aug 2015 #3

Both you and Bernie are wrong. n/t jaysunb Aug 2015 #6

So what do you think he should have done differently to prevent the losses of 2010 and 2014? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #7

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #16

So you don't think he could have done anything to rally people? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #18

he lost most of those areas himself JI7 Aug 2015 #22

He was elected and then re-elected by Democrats. delrem Aug 2015 #95

I don't have contempt for the left ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #96

That's twice. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #99

those elections were mostly in conservative areas that obama lost JI7 Aug 2015 #14

I agree. He had enormous support from the people BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #189

I agree. bvar22 Aug 2015 #204

I watched in dismay as he avoided any mention of voting for the down-ballot candidates. Stardust Aug 2015 #206

Attacking President Obama is definitely a winning strategy. Metric System Aug 2015 #4

He'll figure that out soon enough. Number23 Aug 2015 #8

Lolol, I laughed out loud for real when I read that. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #10

Um... he'd better get on social media? Fawke Em Aug 2015 #41

you hang on heaven05 Aug 2015 #215

LOLOLOL... now we're "genteel." SMC22307 Aug 2015 #251

not really heaven05 Aug 2015 #252

Yeah, really. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #255

I am sure heaven05 Aug 2015 #256

"Privileged of the working class" is a complete oxymoron. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #258

so says you heaven05 Aug 2015 #260

I'm crushed. (n/t) SMC22307 Aug 2015 #261

Yes, that is indeed a master stroke of political genius and cunning - attack Obama from the left!?? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #15

Maybe Bernie should run against the ACA next. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #34

He's out there promoting Single Payer every day, which is very popular arcane1 Aug 2015 #203

We'd be better off without the ACA, right? JoePhilly Aug 2015 #212

The ACA, with all its flaws, is better than nothing (so far). arcane1 Aug 2015 #214

If nothing else this might push Obama to break with tradition and endorse a primary candidate. George II Aug 2015 #36

I really don't want to see that. n/t murielm99 Aug 2015 #92

Attack is a bit of a strong word for Sen. Sanders's comments, isn't it? WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #71

It don't sell papers, Wip artislife Aug 2015 #149

Of course it is.. whathehell Aug 2015 #170

You've got a peculiar interpretation of the word "attack." (n/t) SMC22307 Aug 2015 #74

Brilliant strategy. I guess Bernie doesn't need Obama supporters to win either. still_one Aug 2015 #91

Right. Wonderful strategy to gain minority support lunamagica Aug 2015 #93

And such a vicious attack! frylock Aug 2015 #97

It's a valid critique, and it's not political it's about strategy CanadaexPat Aug 2015 #165

And DU'ers loudly bitched whenever they got an email from OFA emulatorloo Aug 2015 #177

Once again you are confusing talking about tactics with attacking the jwirr Aug 2015 #209

Oh whoever gave his campaign this advice is going giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #9

what does this have to do restorefreedom Aug 2015 #27

They are running out of attacks so the anti-semitic dog whistles are coming out. Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #28

wow. that's desperation on display. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #29

It's the 9th paragraph of the OP giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #32

Stop the anti-semitic dog whistling Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #38

Really? Antisemitic my ass. I sit on this board giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #46

Have you ever heard of neo-Nazis? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #53

I understand WWII but what does that have to do giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #58

Remember the terrorist attack on the Holocaust Museum a few years ago? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #63

2014. Murdered because they were Jews. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #117

That's your systematic racism, this country is not giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #124

Because, believe it or not, there are semitic Jews who have no "invisibility cloak" and are Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #130

Ok, that group I can understand having issues because giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #131

Aryan Nation. Storm Front. KKK. Aryan White Resistance. American Nazi Party. Nation of Islam. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #132

& how are these Jews being spotted? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #140

Get real...Have you never heard of someone whathehell Aug 2015 #171

How are gay people spotted? Maedhros Aug 2015 #178

Exactly, they are just trying to inoculate Bernie from criticism and R B Garr Aug 2015 #181

Once again the past has no effect on anyone unless it is 400 years of jwirr Aug 2015 #219

Oh man !!!!!!! heaven05 Aug 2015 #240

Well one very easy way to tell a Jewish person is that they go to a jwirr Aug 2015 #218

I think you are addressing the wrong person. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #220

Sorry, that happens when old eyes do not see the right lines. I was jwirr Aug 2015 #223

Yeah sure, heaven05 Aug 2015 #242

Not denying any of that. The questioner is insisting the black people are jwirr Aug 2015 #246

When the privileged people here heaven05 Aug 2015 #248

Sometimes, if you look close, bvar22 Aug 2015 #217

First rule of holes tavalon Aug 2015 #126

clueless. antisemitic acts happen with alarming regularity in this country cali Aug 2015 #158

I've got to disagree with you on this JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #184

So very much agree with you I fear for both of them. And in President jwirr Aug 2015 #222

You're over-reacting to an honest question, IMHO, John Poet Aug 2015 #101

I am not one bit ashamed for calling out this bigotry Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #107

I'm not dismissing anything. Please don't put words in my mouth. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #115

I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you directly Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #116

"I didn't know that pointing out someone was white was racist" whathehell Aug 2015 #172

Oh, I see. So, since Bernie's family was killed in the Holocaust, John Poet Aug 2015 #121

I never said he wasn't white Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #122

folks trying to point out the anti-semitism used kid gloves with the poster nashville_brook Aug 2015 #247

BS heaven05 Aug 2015 #210

It wasn't exactly Bernie's ancestors (which implies generations ago) that "experienced WWII" dflprincess Aug 2015 #86

Ah... Jews are a minority too. Not all minority groups have 1monster Aug 2015 #42

Most Jewish people and most Arabic people can be "white," Fawke Em Aug 2015 #45

I'm on another board fighting a Muslim BS right now.. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #50

Yeah, my son isn't Muslim. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #55

I'm atheist & so are my kid's... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #62

We're in Tennessee. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #68

Thankfully, I live in a more educated part known for giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #77

Jews are a race, as well as a religion (Judaism), John Poet Aug 2015 #114

Thank you, all I was trying to understand is what the giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #119

Judaism is a RELiGION, not a "race". whathehell Aug 2015 #221

"My boyfriend is Paki" - Note that "Paki" is considered a racially offensive term. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #135

Paki, is shorter than me typing out the whole word. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #137

Here is an article with some history on the matter... PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #139

Ahh, that explains it, it's slang giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #141

I do not think his family was seen as white in Germany during WWII. jwirr Aug 2015 #213

This is the 9th paragraph of the OP.. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #31

you are the only person so far restorefreedom Aug 2015 #35

My point exactly... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #54

If you had a shred of humanity, you might care that his paternal family... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #70

I don't know any of my family on my mother's side & giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #73

This isn't a contest to see which minority group has it worse. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #87

I'm Puerto Rican of the darker variety depending on the giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #103

How many average white guys had family wiped out in the Holocaust? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #133

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #136

The guy? The family? Strangers? 10 yes maybe 15? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #138

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #142

No one is suggesting that as a strategy, but you. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #144

Oh yeah, how about Farrakhan is part Jewish? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #145

Farrakhan In His Own Words SMC22307 Aug 2015 #147

Yeah, he's not all bad. Has some pretty good ideas giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #148

You are actually praising Louis Farrakhan? The bigot who said "Hilter was a very great man"? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #153

good to know who.defends hateful bigots. cali Aug 2015 #159

He was smart enough to set up some pretty good social programs as jwirr Aug 2015 #227

And they'll get bupkis, just like older Farrakhan supporters. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #249

"what is so bad about being Jewish?" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #154

But those are not the only ways one can be discriminated against. And jwirr Aug 2015 #224

HE is not throwing anything out there restorefreedom Aug 2015 #72

So is the I'm Jewish a way to try & connect giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #105

no one called minorities lowly restorefreedom Aug 2015 #106

Duly noted, please inform the OP of that. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #109

no need restorefreedom Aug 2015 #111

No. jwirr Aug 2015 #228

Oh I don't know. Maybe because Jewish people have had a history of slavery and oppression. Autumn Aug 2015 #83

So, his whole family dying & him never knowing any of them giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #108

Bernie is 73 years old. He know what it is like being stalked, profiled, harassed and murdered. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #125

Jewish people were racially profiled, harassed, stalked, arrested & murdered Autumn Aug 2015 #156

Results of alert JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #163

Note that giftedgirl 77 is being presented as a martyr in a protected group Maedhros Aug 2015 #179

Yeah I saw that, Autumn Aug 2015 #225

It's trend; hides for bad conduct are now "silencing" posters. Maedhros Aug 2015 #232

Sometimes a time out is deserved and that's not silencing a poster. Autumn Aug 2015 #234

Are you fucking kidding me? Puglover Aug 2015 #237

Thanks for the results. I'm glad to see the jury got Autumn Aug 2015 #226

And no matter how white they looked they were the subject of jwirr Aug 2015 #231

You really need to get an education. What you said about the plight of jwirr Aug 2015 #229

I've run into a few Hillary backers on Facebook John Poet Aug 2015 #60

I don't get what Jewish has to do with anything? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #66

you do realize that Jewish people are STILL ibegurpard Aug 2015 #110

Some people hate Jews as a group, the way John Poet Aug 2015 #127

Stop explaining, I got it. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #128

it's not an "age thing" -- it's an anti-semitism thing. nashville_brook Aug 2015 #175

^^^I wish I could rec your post, nashville brook^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #236

given that there's a history of anti-semitism in some brands of nationalism nashville_brook Aug 2015 #239

She didn't listen to what the other posters were telling her. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #241

i guess i'm just old school - i believe solidarity should extend in all directions nashville_brook Aug 2015 #243

Agreed. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #244

"Oppression Olympics" is spot-on. n/t nashville_brook Aug 2015 #245

I mentioned it not being a contest upthread... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #254

Pretty bad strategy. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #11

Well sheshe2 Aug 2015 #40

I was an Obama supporter. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #48

Same here. WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #76

Me, too artislife Aug 2015 #151

To be truly honest Raine1967 Aug 2015 #49

Which political party was Sanders a member of when Obama "lost touch" with the party grassroots? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #12

Not the Democratic Party. Indydem Aug 2015 #43

Has Sanders previously ever called himself anything other than a "socialist", without added words? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #80

Yes. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #118

In the same dated article there is this, so he seems to use all kinds of terms: Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #161

Thanks. I read it too. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #166

And yet ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #13

This isn't going to go well at all. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #21

This isn't the first time he has said this. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #23

Do you honestly think that "the grass roots" only refers to people of color? haikugal Aug 2015 #69

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #75

Yeah not this one ibegurpard Aug 2015 #78

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #90

you mistake his win in 2012 for an approval vote for him ibegurpard Aug 2015 #98

Your excellent characterization exactly matches my own feelings: truebluegreen Aug 2015 #120

+10 840high Aug 2015 #134

No ... I am correctly reading the 2010 - the present polling of Democrats. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #160

Approve of, yes Babel_17 Aug 2015 #208

I think you hit on it here ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #211

Thanks, yes it does include all those people plus the old. I wasn't sure. haikugal Aug 2015 #79

Yes ... will will. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #94

Thank you. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #102

Thank you. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #143

This article was from February 23, 2015 Andy823 Aug 2015 #17

Bernie hasn't changed his message...if anything his message has Grown in Scope.... KoKo Aug 2015 #19

Is Bernie a Democrat? I haven't heard him say so. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #56

He's running for President as one ibegurpard Aug 2015 #85

Not quite true... Adrahil Aug 2015 #155

Nailed it... SidDithers Aug 2015 #162

I have no doubt ibegurpard Aug 2015 #164

Seems that the only people hung up on that distinction have no intention of voting for him anyway.. frylock Aug 2015 #188

Well, here's why it's important to me. Adrahil Aug 2015 #193

I think Sanders is more concerned with advancing the quality of people's lives.. frylock Aug 2015 #198

That's a really naive point of view.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #202

How often has Obama proudly stated that he's a Democrat... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #259

This is from February, and I fundamentally disagree: Raine1967 Aug 2015 #20

hmm wonder what the point is in posting it now JI7 Aug 2015 #26

recall that when the administration had massive Dem majorities nashville_brook Aug 2015 #24

Obama got rid of DADT ... changed how the federal governent treated same sex couples ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #39

I think the problem is that while Obama has been fantastic on social issues, Fawke Em Aug 2015 #51

That's a good read of the situation. Maedhros Aug 2015 #182

it's infuriating. and it's sad to see such misplaced animus nashville_brook Aug 2015 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2015 #192

No leadership on the best direction to take in bringing about change. jwirr Aug 2015 #230

"No leadership" in my opinion pretty much sums up the Obama Administration.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #233

He is using the Justice Department to work with cities like Ferguson MO jwirr Aug 2015 #235

This was from when he was considering a run for the Presidency MelungeonWoman Aug 2015 #25

Bernie compliments Obama all the time, he gives one critique annnd.... retrowire Aug 2015 #30

Somewhere along the line the "Hope and Change" got lost. jalan48 Aug 2015 #33

Yeah, nothing has changed. Oh wait. It has. Adrahil Aug 2015 #57

I agree he's done and tried to do a lot. jalan48 Aug 2015 #65

Oh yeah ibegurpard Aug 2015 #81

TY! R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #37

Ugh, another unforced error. GitRDun Aug 2015 #44

People were thirsty for change in 2008, 2012 and are still... Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #47

I see you have 3rd way DU up in arms here PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #52

I wonder JackInGreen Aug 2015 #61

I already saw something like that Mnpaul Aug 2015 #216

nope ibegurpard Aug 2015 #82

But they did vote for Obama treestar Aug 2015 #199

I do not think they all voted Obama in the primary PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #201

As a life long member of the Democratic Party.. Peacetrain Aug 2015 #59

Everything is an attack to certain people. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #64

I remember Bohner attacking Obama for azmom Aug 2015 #67

No he backed off it because he never believed it ibegurpard Aug 2015 #84

Let's see if whoever the Democrat is becomes President, exactly what they will accomplish if still_one Aug 2015 #88

Yeah fighting his own party on TPP was terrific! ibegurpard Aug 2015 #100

Not everything is good, but not everything is bad either. I take the presidency as a whole, and still_one Aug 2015 #146

But but but what about the bully pulpit and republicans redstateblues Aug 2015 #112

I heard a phrase recently that resonates with this tavalon Aug 2015 #89

Yes. Bernie will take to the bully pulpit and usher in redstateblues Aug 2015 #104

If Bernie is the nominee, he will have huge coat tails. Maedhros Aug 2015 #183

Ain't that the truth. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #113

Obama had the worst obstruction ever experienced by any President. gordianot Aug 2015 #123

Its gonna take a lot more than the bully pulpit redstateblues Aug 2015 #167

Exactly gordianot Aug 2015 #169

Use the groundswell of support he's building, rather than squander it like Obama did? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #186

Exactly! Maedhros Aug 2015 #185

But he noted that Republicans took control of the Senate in the last election by linking Democratic Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #129

Not putting single payer on the table in 2009 was a part of this 'lost touch,' PatrickforO Aug 2015 #150

He's clearly never heard of OFA frazzled Aug 2015 #152

Not cool going after the President Sanders bigdarryl Aug 2015 #157

Well, LannyDeVaney Aug 2015 #168

Oh, for fuck's sake that's a stupid thing to post. Maedhros Aug 2015 #187

Liberty U, a place to search for support. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #173

I don't think Obama really led a Grass Roots movement. He represents the Democratic Establishment. Romulox Aug 2015 #174

Bernie I wouldn't piss off too many Obama supporters. FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #176

This is an old article from February. Don't know why it was posted now. emulatorloo Aug 2015 #180

6 month article posted without attribution to the date......not nice. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #194

this ^^^^^^^^ treestar Aug 2015 #200

He sure lost touch with this grass root Doctor_J Aug 2015 #196

No he did not treestar Aug 2015 #197

Really then Bernie isn't paying attention..... Historic NY Aug 2015 #205

Like her DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #238

A question: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #253

Laughing at Sanders' gaffe. He'll want Obama's list KittyWampus Aug 2015 #257