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seabeyond

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88. NO pony for me thank you. i do not want to spend on the feed nor clean up after. see.... here is

Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:36 PM

Aug 2015

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the issue.

we do not all want the same thing.

azzzzz well. i better understand. but i am too pragmatic. prove me wrong.

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So what happens when president Sanders [View all] Andy823 Aug 2015 OP

I wouldn't want to be here when... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #1

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #90

Republicans will do this to every candidate. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2015 #2

Great point. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #7

Johnson got some shit done, pocoloco Aug 2015 #119

I'm hoping some of that accent comes with JackInGreen Aug 2015 #145

Once they'd assassinated the POTUS that was going to dismantle the CIA 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #163

He had a democratic house. It is easier if you have the house yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #168

Yes they will do it to whoever wins Andy823 Aug 2015 #9

In other words, it's a lame-ass attempt at playing "Gotcha" n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #12

it is reality. most of us are pragmatic that we get it is reality and we will not be devestated seabeyond Aug 2015 #18

No, this is a "Won't some of you DUers look stupid when this happens" post. arcane1 Aug 2015 #41

i do not think so. again, we did that with obama. sanders is setting himself up more. seabeyond Aug 2015 #47

no it is an excellent gotcha treestar Aug 2015 #194

I'll play. tazkcmo Aug 2015 #43

The people who elect the current House dsc Aug 2015 #48

ah, the revolution. i see. this is interesting. thanks for spelling it out. seabeyond Aug 2015 #51

'revolution' enid602 Aug 2015 #83

i was told by administration when we came over on du3 to have faith in my fellow duers. lol seabeyond Aug 2015 #87

I don't know what Hillary will do Andy823 Aug 2015 #62

they reality is, these repugs are still getting elected so there is no threat to them. they have seabeyond Aug 2015 #63

I've answered the question. tazkcmo Aug 2015 #79

Because I don't know Andy823 Aug 2015 #129

BINGO swilton Aug 2015 #123

Educate them all you want Andy823 Aug 2015 #130

Obama said much the same thing and was zinged by the right and left for it. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #153

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #156

true. so sanders an independent, not a liberal. is he going to help congress ride his skirt into seabeyond Aug 2015 #17

he intends to win the House and Senate virtualobserver Aug 2015 #3

+10 - I think it's called 'Coat-tails' last I checked nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #4

the DNC has conceded the House until 2022 virtualobserver Aug 2015 #8

Wasserman Schultz and the DNC - pffft! Divernan Aug 2015 #103

pffft... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #124

Or like Talib Kweli, who refuses to vote in any years. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #146

He has actually changed on that a bit Senator Tankerbell Aug 2015 #159

Perhaps someone should update it. (n/t) SMC22307 Aug 2015 #162

Well, once Debbie Downer is gone Spirochete Aug 2015 #183

No way do we take back the House Andy823 Aug 2015 #11

more Democrats vote during Presidential elections...... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #16

I bet you $10,000 that President Sanders does not start negotating with with the GOP's last offer. Vincardog Aug 2015 #118

That's the first thing that came to mind -- negotiation starting point. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #148

Another winner! swilton Aug 2015 #126

really? lol. kinda like he promises 15 and hour nationally and free college and single payer???? seabeyond Aug 2015 #19

yes, exactly like that virtualobserver Aug 2015 #22

o.k. seabeyond Aug 2015 #30

Has he promised ponies yet? I WILL drop Hillary IF every American gets a pony. Metric System Aug 2015 #77

NO pony for me thank you. i do not want to spend on the feed nor clean up after. see.... here is seabeyond Aug 2015 #88

But these are special unicorn winged ponies LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #114

well. that.... i do want one of those. they fly, right? cause i want to fly, too. seabeyond Aug 2015 #116

Ah, man ... Cosmocat Aug 2015 #188

not really, it is kind of all or nothing virtualobserver Aug 2015 #189

I don't agree Cosmocat Aug 2015 #196

We will have to agree to disagree virtualobserver Aug 2015 #198

He has no power over that. treestar Aug 2015 #192

you only get coattails if you ask for them virtualobserver Aug 2015 #200

He is going to be lucky Cosmocat Aug 2015 #197

That's why I support Governor O'Malley, Andy; elleng Aug 2015 #5

What compromises are there to be had with this congress? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2015 #13

So how does Bernie, or any other candidate Andy823 Aug 2015 #31

omalley absolutely. this is where i think both omalley and clinton will excel and omalley seabeyond Aug 2015 #21

I definitely think 'more so,' seabeyond! elleng Aug 2015 #40

she has her in's. but he has the character and experience that gives him seabeyond Aug 2015 #53

I absolutely agree, seabeyond. elleng Aug 2015 #57

We've compromised our way into this mess..... JeffHead Aug 2015 #25

just yelling go bernie go isnt going to do it. so what do you have to offer. anything? seabeyond Aug 2015 #33

2 words expressing my support for a candidate is all you're focused on? JeffHead Aug 2015 #85

So closing down the government Andy823 Aug 2015 #64

Not for me, it doesn't. cheapdate Aug 2015 #84

Sure does. JeffHead Aug 2015 #105

This is the problem Andy823 Aug 2015 #127

It worked for Clinton in the 1990's. TM99 Aug 2015 #128

that's not the way it works treestar Aug 2015 #193

Exactly! Andy823 Aug 2015 #32

Thanks for being here, Andy!!! elleng Aug 2015 #35

Same thing as would happen with President Clinton or President O'Malley. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #6

I agree Andy823 Aug 2015 #23

Why do so many in this thread mention O'Malley? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #120

Exactly... TheProgressive Aug 2015 #59

I agree that Sanders will handle it better and do a better job of taking his case to the people. dflprincess Aug 2015 #108

Bernie has already said -- he will take it to the people. immoderate Aug 2015 #152

I don't think the meme is that Sanders per se will be the only one with this problem Recursion Aug 2015 #186

Manufactured, artificial flame-bait. arcane1 Aug 2015 #10

why? it is a political question. i was talking to my second year university niece today asking her seabeyond Aug 2015 #15

I like Bernie also Andy823 Aug 2015 #28

one of my concerns about sanders, watching over time, is he tends to dig heels in the sand seabeyond Aug 2015 #37

Not really. Andy823 Aug 2015 #20

Sorry, I'm not in high school, so I don't play these games. I just call them out n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #42

or the rpug party stands up day after the swearing in and states they will oppose EVERYTHING sanders seabeyond Aug 2015 #14

Then we organize jeepers Aug 2015 #46

now i really like the idea of going after the states. but i see both clinton and omalley being more seabeyond Aug 2015 #55

He has something Obama did not... zappaman Aug 2015 #24

They may, but the tide is shifting and if we have a President Sanders, libdem4life Aug 2015 #26

Do you really think Andy823 Aug 2015 #36

Not necesarily, but they do care about getting re-elected. They also do polls. libdem4life Aug 2015 #44

One problem Andy823 Aug 2015 #67

You make a good point, but the Primary Mayhem, if it happens, may force libdem4life Aug 2015 #76

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #91

obama supposedly had that too. repug party stood up day after election and stated they would not seabeyond Aug 2015 #38

A few things...He's been around Washington and knows all the players. libdem4life Aug 2015 #50

unfortunately i do agree seabeyond Aug 2015 #58

Sanders will have his own learning curve, to be sure. But the Rs will be libdem4life Aug 2015 #65

thank you for approaching it as a discussion whether one agrees or not. seabeyond Aug 2015 #73

Back Atcha !! libdem4life Aug 2015 #94

None of that will make conservatives care more about America than their ideals. My issue with uponit7771 Aug 2015 #92

Well, of course we don't know, but only have his rather lengthy background libdem4life Aug 2015 #101

Obama was voted in with a "mandate", and southern wingers wont even consider Sanders.... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #106

I'm not sure what a "winger" is. There are lots of interests and it's never easy libdem4life Aug 2015 #111

right "winger", they're ideologues and don't care about the rest. The locals on the GOP side don't uponit7771 Aug 2015 #113

Sanders is not black mikehiggins Aug 2015 #154

Happy 70 sept 2! seabeyond Aug 2015 #157

Thanks for the birthday wishes mikehiggins Aug 2015 #161

It IS Cosmocat Aug 2015 #199

He mobilizes the movement hootinholler Aug 2015 #27

Really? Andy823 Aug 2015 #75

The last guy didn't mobilize the movement? tia uponit7771 Aug 2015 #96

No he didn't n/t hootinholler Aug 2015 #166

I disagree uponit7771 Aug 2015 #173

Mobilizing the grassroots? Marching? murielm99 Aug 2015 #149

That's ok hootinholler Aug 2015 #165

Machine politics? LOL. murielm99 Aug 2015 #174

Sanders has compromised his entire political career. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #29

he hasnt really accomplished much, right? i mean, he made a deal with the dems to not run seabeyond Aug 2015 #45

Regarding the 2 post offices? that is true. And that's it. n/t lunamagica Aug 2015 #140

so that really is it? and yet, he will accomplish 15 an hour, single payer, free college. ok. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #142

I agree Andy823 Aug 2015 #78

He's compromised with people willing to spend 24 billion in shutting down the government or uponit7771 Aug 2015 #110

He surrounds himself Newest Reality Aug 2015 #34

Yes. Nothing overnight to be sure, but some new realities that most of the libdem4life Aug 2015 #56

Except that Andy823 Aug 2015 #71

Oh, there must be compromise. Like on another thread mentioned, it's different libdem4life Aug 2015 #80

Or does he go to the people and say "You elected me to do such and such and the Republicans .... Scuba Aug 2015 #39

you mean what Obama should have done Doctor_J Aug 2015 #49

Bingo! Scuba Aug 2015 #52

And how do you do that Andy823 Aug 2015 #81

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #97

He issues an executive order making the Medicare eligibility age 60, immediately Doctor_J Aug 2015 #54

And that would be legal? Andy823 Aug 2015 #86

He starts his bargaining over to the left instead of in the middle? Fawke Em Aug 2015 #60

This ^^^^ libdem4life Aug 2015 #70

and that doesn't become more of a waste of time because? Were have people been the last 6 yrs?! uponit7771 Aug 2015 #98

He'll be called a "corporatist, shill for the 1%, POS used car salesman," and worse. Hoyt Aug 2015 #61

Yeap uponit7771 Aug 2015 #99

IDK what he'd do. Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #66

Exactly Andy823 Aug 2015 #131

Take your pic: An obstinate congress, or one that initiates monthly investigations into Clinton's cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #68

either way nothing gets done, there's nothing new uponit7771 Aug 2015 #100

Bernie has already addressed this when he stated that he can't make snagglepuss Aug 2015 #69

Obama said exact same thing and still became hated by Berniacs et al uponit7771 Aug 2015 #109

You are so very correct! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #132

I hope we find out what happens when President Sanders takes on the machine. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #72

He will offer them a Grand Bargain and Hang up his comfy walking shoes. bahrbearian Aug 2015 #74

Republicans will Kenjie Aug 2015 #82

Agree wholeheartedly. libdem4life Aug 2015 #104

Sanders will "bern" them and they'll do what he wants them to do uponit7771 Aug 2015 #89

This BainsBane Aug 2015 #93

Yeap, of the 20,000 issues that the left ascribes to Sanders bet not compromise on one of them or... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #107

why single out sanders? restorefreedom Aug 2015 #95

Because of the expectations he has set himself, he'll never be a POSUCS because of the 20,000 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #102

and you think the others restorefreedom Aug 2015 #138

Not just Sanders Andy823 Aug 2015 #170

agreed but there are different levels of compromise restorefreedom Aug 2015 #172

The GOP has been opposed to progress since just after the CIVIL WAR. What do you think is Vincardog Aug 2015 #112

Yep...that's the definition of Conservative...dwelling in the past, fear of anything libdem4life Aug 2015 #117

Actually that was the Ds during the Civil War. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #136

Notice I said AFTER the Civil War. Nodding to that factoid of US History Vincardog Aug 2015 #137

Sanders's run was CAUSED by Obama lying down and blaming obstruction or compromise MisterP Aug 2015 #115

Can't disagree. He can claim some measure of a learning curve, but I believe libdem4life Aug 2015 #122

He was a U.S. senator for three years. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #150

Yes, but 3 years in Washington as a freshman Senator isn't a lot of time. libdem4life Aug 2015 #171

Bull! nt Andy823 Aug 2015 #134

Every candidate faces this obstacle. LWolf Aug 2015 #121

I agree Andy823 Aug 2015 #125

It's instructive to take a look LWolf Aug 2015 #176

so now we are good with compromise and working with repugs and all above thread they are seabeyond Aug 2015 #144

It is a bit confusing, isn't it? LWolf Aug 2015 #175

interesting lwolf. i do not know the answer. i want more done. i do not want certain things seabeyond Aug 2015 #179

You're welcome, of course. LWolf Aug 2015 #185

That's why we need to work to elect Democrats, too emsimon33 Aug 2015 #133

What happens when (insert president here from the D side of the Houe) nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #135

I have a thought, but will post it later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #139

Given his track record at getting legislation passed? jberryhill Aug 2015 #141

He Will Put Public Pressure On Obstructionists colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #143

But he's got really big crowds though. moobu2 Aug 2015 #147

Imagine a President who champions traditional democratic bread and butter issues CentralMass Aug 2015 #151

They don't compromise AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #155

I can't afford any more compromises. mmonk Aug 2015 #158

Massive protests on Capitol Hill Senator Tankerbell Aug 2015 #160

President Sanders will tell the truth to the American people about the obstructionists senz Aug 2015 #164

Bernie will also face a majority of Democrats in Congress who won't support him. Sancho Aug 2015 #167

Compromise was never the problem with Obama. Dawgs Aug 2015 #169

So, what happens when YOU get off your keester Trajan Aug 2015 #177

How do you define LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES? Andy823 Aug 2015 #182

As the Democratic nominee INdemo Aug 2015 #178

And they lived happily ever after... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #180

Well it's all about real change INdemo Aug 2015 #181

Hmm... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #184

He's not going to be president MaggieD Aug 2015 #187

Bernard Chazelle said, "America has lefties but no left." Garrett78 Aug 2015 #190

Yes they will treestar Aug 2015 #191

Compromise what to get what? TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #195

. LWolf Aug 2015 #201

might seem off topic jeepers Aug 2015 #202

This is what will happen: ecstatic Aug 2015 #203