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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:16 PM Original message |
here's my problem with dismissing the hitler youth thing: |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. How do you tell someone |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree. n/t |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. But aren't the choices we make in the hardest of circumstances |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. If we hold people up to that standard then we'd have no leaders, ever. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. this isn't mayor or even president, it's the POPE for crying out loud |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. I'm just saying |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. The way I see it...the 100 or so Cardinals that know him probably |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Well, that brings us to his harmful ultra-conservative views |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Well yes you are correct but do you think any normal |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. you're talking "normal". i'm talking "pope material". |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. It isn't as if they are born knowing they are going to be Pope |
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BlueStateBlue (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Yeah, but |
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ReadTomPaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. You and Mojambo above have really hit the nail on this issue. n/t |
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Kmarx (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
69. This holier than thou is really laughable. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Ever hear of the martyrs? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. I read the subject line of your post last night, disagreed, and couldn't |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Yes I agree that the choices made in such circumstances |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. the Pope fails his own test in this regard |
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Mondon (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
65. Evil? |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. We All Pay |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. I just don't think it was a choice... |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 12:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. less of a choice than being gay? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
60. The question is not what the German kid chose to do |
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Mondon (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Huh? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Twisting people's words sounds unprincipled. |
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vpigrad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. I can't believe some people here make light... |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. What association with Hitler are you talking about |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. He was a guard in a concentration camp *CORRECTION* |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Where do you get this info from |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. News reports |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. I found one mention in one report from time that said he was |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. where did you come up with this fantasy? Camp guards were all SS |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Camp guards were NOT all SS |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. He was helping man an AAA batery protecting an aircraft |
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cestpaspossible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. That information is easily available to anyone through google. |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Tell me about it... |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Actually no they weren't all camp guards were either drawn from the SS |
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Charon (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
54. Guards |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Oh please, this is not an issue of anti-semitism |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. I agree but at 78 I doubt we will have to worry about him very long |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I dunno |
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borg5575 (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. It's up to God. |
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Kmarx (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
70. What could have Pope Pius XII done? |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Has Ratzinger repented? |
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Mondon (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. Not equivalent to Byrd |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. To me Byrd more serious |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. New Pope: Violence against Gays acceptable |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. And pedophilia is okay, too |
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Grooner Five (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 02:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
51. I'm missing... |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Hey, stop using facts! |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Except that |
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cmkramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. More quotes regarding homosexuality |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. An old, OLD tune, which... |
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cestpaspossible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
21. a few comments |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. A few responses |
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cestpaspossible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. only one more? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
30. Most of our leaders were spoiled rich kids |
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New Dealer (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. What do you expect a 14 year old boy to do? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. How about when he joined the Wehrmacht at 17 in 1944? |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Folks don't want to hear that |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Yeah actually it was. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. It most certainly was mandatory |
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Charon (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 09:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. He was Drafted |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. He was 14 when he first joined, not when the war ended |
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cestpaspossible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Was that where he deserted from? |
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Kmarx (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. You're right |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
36. Easy, labeling something as "that hitler youth guy" can only be derogatory |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Yes.. BUT.... |
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Mondon (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. What evidence |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
57. I dismiss it--and judge him only on the RW fascist LYING example |
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borg5575 (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Exactly |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
58. Problem with a Pope who grew up in an anti-Nazi household? |
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Mondon (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. THANK YOU |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
67. The least of what bothers me about this man |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
75. If a German Nazi resister is a hero, then what is this new pope? |
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