sandnsea
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:31 PM
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Palmieri says Edwards-Clinton the same |
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One of Edwards' campaign strategist says Edwards and Clinton have the same policies for the poor. She says the anti-establishment people would like Obama.
I think people are believing their own campaign hype is what I think. Edwards and Clinton do not remotely have the same idea for the poor, I think Mudcat clearly gets that.
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:31 PM
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1. But of course you'd think that. n/t |
sandnsea
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:37 PM
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3. I thought it was Hillbama |
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Now an Edwards' strategist tells me Edwards and Clinton are the same.
I'm genuinely confused.
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:37 PM
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2. Edwards and Clinton win the working class vote. |
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:40 PM
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4. which only proves that poorer workers routinely vote against their best interests |
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:45 PM
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5. poorer workers routinely vote against their best interests |
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Poor are voting Clinton/Edwards, and Obama is getting the rich and elite... I wonder if you think they are just voting against their own interests for the fun of it? There couldn't be an underlying cause that we might be refusing to see...
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:51 PM
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8. funny - I see Clinton getting rich & elite as well as Obama. Why do the poor vote |
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against their interests? Because MSM presents what suits its corporate masters so they can "sell" the candidate of their choice.
Any other questions?
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:54 PM
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10. Edwards is richer than either of them |
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:shrug:
The size of someone's bank account is not a measure of their sincerity in helping working people.
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:57 PM
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12. sorry - i meant "getting support from the rich & elite" - not the candidates own wealth |
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my bad - I wasn't clear...
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:01 PM
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15. It takes that to win elections |
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If Edwards were winning, he'd have gotten those millions too. What do you think would happen financially if Edwards were the Democratic nominee?
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:57 PM
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13. How elitist of you. Maybe the poor shouldn't even be allowed to vote. |
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:59 PM
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14. if only MSM (Murdoch anyone) would present the facts about each & every candidates positions |
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and fact check their speeches then perhaps people would have a better idea of who would best represent them and their interests.
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:19 PM
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18. If only there was this place people could go |
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and find out what the candidates said for themselves.
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:57 PM
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22. believe it or not a lot of older voters don't have internet and are not comfortable with it |
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They rely on traditional media.
Traditional media (M$M) has let us down.
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Wed Jan-30-08 08:16 PM
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25. I live in a retirement town |
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Old people are online almost as much as young ones and talk more about the issues too.
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Thu Jan-31-08 07:47 AM
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28. fair enough - but of my 80 year old mom and her friends only one has a computer |
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they all rely on the local newspaper and evening news
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:49 PM
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6. Edwards apologized for his support of the resolution which gave |
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Bush the authority to launch a preemptive war. He referred to his vote as a BIG MISTAKE.
Hillary refuses to apologize for that vote to this day.
To me, that is a HUGE difference.
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:50 PM
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you ever think. Just sayin.....
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:53 PM
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9. I think Edwards and Clinton are more alike (more progressive) on economy... yeah. |
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And they're also more alike healthcare and energy policy.
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Wed Jan-30-08 06:55 PM
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11. That's just crazy, it just is |
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Unless you mean alike in supporting NAFTA and China trade and forcing people to give all their money to insurance companies.
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:06 PM
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16. Sorry but it's more about his stimulus package. |
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He seems to back tax cuts instead of aid to help the poor... and it doesn't have the alternative energy stuff that Endwards & Clinton do.
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:18 PM
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17. He supports FICA tax cuts and senior citizen benefits |
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That's what he supported. The alternative energy plans are in his economic package because a stimulus is immediate and completely different than long term energy projects. Stimulus: http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/13/barack_obama_announces_plan_to.phpEconomy http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:22 PM
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the ubiquitous link, always the links.
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:30 PM
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20. FICA tax cuts... I like removing the cap... that idea I like... |
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"long-term energy projects"... I don't like that. Why would it take more than 30 days to get it off the ground?
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Wed Jan-30-08 08:13 PM
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23. The point is whether it's immediate stimulus |
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Long term projcts don't provide immediate stimulus. They're also the kind of thing that are likely to end up being give-aways to friendly corporations, as opposed to a true energy strategy. I don't think it's the kind of thing one would vote no on, but I see why it isn't part of a stimulus package proposal.
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Thu Jan-31-08 10:09 AM
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29. Long-term projects have to start... and the people working on them have to be paid. |
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I still don't see why these projects can't be started in 30 days.
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Wed Jan-30-08 07:45 PM
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21. Obama's been working on poverty and civil rights for the last twenty-five years. |
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His politics are clearly staked in that ground. It is incorrect to say that there is no difference between Hillary's and Obama's position on poverty: Obama's stake is personal.
“I'm in this race for the same reason that I fought for jobs for the jobless and hope for the hopeless on the streets of Chicago; for the same reason I fought for justice and equality as a civil rights lawyer; for the same reason that I fought for Illinois families for over a decade… That's why I'm running, Democrats — to keep the American Dream alive for those who still hunger for opportunity, who still thirst for equality.”
— Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, November 10, 2007
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Wed Jan-30-08 08:14 PM
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24. Obama actually has a proven stake |
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and it doesn't include abandoning people in the name of ending big government.
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Wed Jan-30-08 08:19 PM
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26. I find Clinton and Obama to be the same.. |
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whereas Edwards stands off to the left from those too. I also do not expect much to change when either HRC or Obama are on the Hill, I really dont.
And if a repiglican was to take the Hill, which will not happpen, we are really and truely FUCKED.
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Wed Jan-30-08 09:08 PM
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Because I'm really fed up with that line when Obama has the record on making change for working people and the poor.
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