JoePhilly
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:44 PM
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Clinton / Obama ... there are 16 years of Democratic control at our finger tips ... |
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We need to stop fighting the small battles, and focus on winning the BIG war against the GOP's vision of a narrowly focused, hollow, government.
Let's make sure we get experience and change.
Let's make sure that any new Supreme Court Justices are appointed by a Dem President.
Let's make sure that no GOP congress can pass crazy amendments to the constitution.
Let's make sure that health care for kids and for everyone else becomes more affordable.
Let's make sure that our foreign policy becomes significantly less arrogant and misguided.
Let's make sure that our energy policy moves beyond OIL OIL OIL.
Let's make sure that the Bush cronies are kicked from office.
Let's make sure that science becomes a critical component of how we make environmental decisions.
And let's make sure that tax laws are revised so that those who really need tax breaks actually get them.
The turnout on super Tuesday tells the story ... we want them BOTH.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:45 PM
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:46 PM
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2. If we can win the general |
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I feel like we're at the cusp of a new generation. When we get control in November we can begin the push of our political arena to the left.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:48 PM
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5. Yesterday's Dem turnout IS the story ... we can ALL win |
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:52 PM
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9. These are some of the numbers |
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where Dems turned out more voters than the GOP in red states. I pulled this off of CNN this morning.
Georgia had more than 90,000 Tennessee had more than 66,000 Oklahoma had more than 71,000 Arkansas had more than 75,000 Colorado had more than 65,000
I'm cautiously optimistic for the fall.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:55 PM
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14. EXACTLY ... we can turn the US map BLUE. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:02 PM
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17. As Barack Obama would say... |
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Paraphrase alert!
There aren't red states and blue states, there are the United States.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:46 PM
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3. That's a pretty good argument. |
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I think this is going to have to play out for a little while longer though.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:47 PM
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4. And the "WE LOVE OBAMA AS SECOND FIDDLE" meme continues |
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:49 PM
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6. Ah, no. We love 16 years of Dems in the White House Meme continues ... |
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:49 PM
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7. Obama/Gore there is 16 years of PROGRESSIVE leadership at our fingertips. |
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Stop pushing the silly idea that the most Obama can 'hope' for is being Clinton's VP.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:53 PM
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10. You think Gore wants to be VP AGAIN? ahhhh, no. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 04:53 PM by JoePhilly
The point is much bigger than you make it.
We have two strong candidates. They both excite people. BOTH excite me, and MANY others.
It is only on DU where you here loud people ABANDONING the dems if there candidate is not THE candidate.
Barack is younger, and has the time ... and Hillary is not a likely candidate in 2016.
Why not stack the deck ... go for all sixteen years.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:01 PM
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Al Gore is going to be a rookie senator's VP.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:50 PM
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8. Nice try, but I want Obama now. |
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I don't want Clinton. Maybe sometime during Obama's eight years in the WH, she will change enough for me to want her, but I doubt it.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:54 PM
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12. So you'd stay home if Clinton / Obama is the ticket? |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:34 PM
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30. I live in NY. If she needs my vote in her home state... |
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she ain't gonna win.
I don't expect to see a Clinton/Obama ticket.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:53 PM
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11. If Clinton is at the top of the ticket, it is 4 more years of GOP control... |
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:54 PM
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13. So you'd stay home if Clinton / Obama is the ticket? |
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:57 PM
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:10 PM
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18. I 'd rather have Obama now, and bring about the changes we need to do |
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in the next 8 years. Then we'll see who looks good for the country and our party.
Let's skip a Clinton retread. We may lose in November, or in 4 years if we get more of the kind of divisive partisanship we've had for so long. That's pretty much guaranteed with the Clintons back in the WH.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:11 PM
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19. Obama/Anybody But Hillary = 16 years of Dem control. THEN Chelsea can have it. I'll be dead by then. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:15 PM
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20. Not really ... Hillary has lots of folks who want HER ... |
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we ignore them at our owm peril.
As is also true for the Obama-ites ... some of whom make the same claim.
The fact is they BOTH draw huge support ... why not harness it all now.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:16 PM
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21. I don't think America can afford a Clinton in the WH again. That's just my opinion, but its widely |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:24 PM
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26. So can America afford McCain in the White house .... ??? |
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Imagine he will handle the issues I list above ....
You think you'll see moderate supremes? Health care for kids or anyone else? A LESS arrogant foreign policy?
no no and no
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:18 PM
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22. No, we don't want them both. |
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He's a Democrat. She's a Democrat who has lost her way and isn't coming back.
We want Obama and someone else on the ticket besides Hillary.
At least I do, and I think many share that view.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:20 PM
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23. Clinton Obama 2008. I approve this message! |
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We need to bring Hillary supporters and Obama supporters together.
We need to put up a ticket that can deliver 16 years of change.
I think it could work, if Bill stays in his trailer out back.
Nobody wants Bill Clinton hanging around the West Wing.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:22 PM
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24. hahha ... fine, I'll agree, Bill needs a hobby area. nt |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:24 PM
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25. Yes, this is the desperate spin of the Clintons. A vote for Hillary is really a vote for |
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both of them because we'll make him VP and President-in-waiting. Pathetic.
Why would Obama want to spend perhaps 8 years of his prime as a man with a title and no job, Vice President to Hillary and Bill Clinton, to a woman who despises him because he had the nerve to try to take what was supposed to be hers, a woman who hasn't said a word to him away from the cameras since he announced his candidacy?
Better to return to the Senate and if her presidency goes poorly challenge her in 2012, otherwise wait for 2016.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:28 PM
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I thought this was not about him ... its about America. Maybe not.
He could have significant influence as VP ... AND, he'd be positioned to be President as well. Do you think Cheney had no influence?
But I understand ... some Dems don't think strategically, think about the longer term ... but the GOP usually does ... that is how they obtain and maintain control ... we need to figure it out too.
And btw ... I think in the remaining primaries, you should vote for who ever you want ... but I think this specific ticket gives us the best hope not only for 08, but beyond.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:27 PM
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has been arguing that unlike Obama, she is ready to be President, she is prepared to be Commander in Chief, that he's too wet behind the ears for the job.
The main criteria for the VP spot ought to be, is that person fit to be President should the need arise. Now, when the air of inevitability is fading, suddenly maybe he is prepared for the job in her supporters eyes?
If she does get the nomination, I'm sure Obama will support her and work to keep the republicans out of the White house but adding him to the bottom of the ticket does not transfer the excitement of his campaign to hers. It doesn't work like that.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:31 PM
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In your words ... it means you think the person is ready ... I think he is ready too ... her supporters think she is MORE ready ... not that he is NOT ready ... there is a big difference there.
I'll support either one ... and give money too ... but I think this ticket is very strong BEYOND 08.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:52 PM
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31. And this is exactly the "arrangement" the party elders will impose |
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if they step in and force a deal before the convention. They aren't going to give up eight to twelve years of Democratic control because Obama doesn't want to wait.
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