redstate_democrat
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:50 PM
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Obama should have his AG draft a bill to expand the Supreme Court |
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Since the number of judges on the Supreme Court isn't set by the Constitution and rather by legislation, he should have the number raised to 11. :evilgrin:
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:51 PM
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1. He most definitely should not |
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The criticism, based on the failed historical precedent of FDR's court packing plan, would be deafening.
Fortunately, its not anything to worry about, since Obama and his team is far far too smart to do anything so self-destructive.
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:52 PM
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 02:57 PM by redstate_democrat
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But his court packing plan helped "switch" the court's rabid defiance against FDR and his plans to help the economy through New Deal legislation. Before then, the court was only interested in helping wealthy property owners protect what was theirs. When FDR threatened to raise the court to 13 members, then all of a sudden the court started saying the government could regulate in areas of the economy.
Hmm. I believe some arm twisting like that could also be in order pretty soon.
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:55 PM
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4. Yeah, FDR would probably advise against it, based on personal experience. |
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:58 PM
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7. Not to mention SCOTUS being way too politicised as it stands.. (nt) |
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:52 PM
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We need control of all 3 branches of government.
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:55 PM
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5. There's no guarantee that the judges a president appoints will behave the way the preident expected. |
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Earl Warren surprised Eisenhower.
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:58 PM
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6. That's true, but how often does that happen? |
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:23 PM
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20. Let's see Brennan suprised Eisenhower, too, Byron White surprised JFK, |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 03:24 PM by WI_DEM
Lewis Powell surprised Ford, on the whole I'm sure Sandra Day O'Connor wasn't nearly as conservative as Reagan hoped. I'm sure that Souter was a big shock to Bush. So it happens quite a bit.
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:58 PM
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8. A man that was elected under such dubious circumstances as George W Bush ... |
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should not be able to leave his stamp on the SC for years after he leaves office.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:02 PM
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12. David Souter is a more recent example. |
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Bush Senior was expecting a conservative along the lines of Rehnquist or Scalia.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:18 PM
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17. That's because John Sununu was a gullible idiot |
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Souter had no record whatsoever but Sununu just assumed he would be a conservative and then sold Bush on him. Obama will take his Supreme Court appointments far more seriously.
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:59 PM
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9. If I could change ONE thing about the Supreme Court - it's that a new Chief Justice is picked.... |
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by each Administration. Roberts was good for Bush but I think I would rather see Souter running it for us under Obama.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:00 PM
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10. abso-fucking-lutely NOT |
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Let's not repeat FDR's stupid, failed idea
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:01 PM
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11. It sets a bad precedent. |
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Every time the executive branch changes parties the court will grow further in size. It could become rather unwieldy after a while.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:04 PM
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13. These ones go to eleven! |
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:07 PM
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14. The captain and number one is very displease with your post |
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:09 PM
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Let's go balls to the walls on the Rethugs. :evilgrin:
Besides, the Rethugs on the Supreme Court seem to be too cozy with their little situation. Like Sarah Palin would say, "Let's go to Washington and shake things up!!11!" :evilgrin:
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:16 PM
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16. A better idea might be . . . |
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If we could conclusively establish, via Congressional investigation, the illegitimacy of Bush's "election", Roberts and Alito could be pressured to resign and/or removed.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:29 PM
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22. LIke it or not, Bush was 'elected' in 2004 |
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I'm not talking about the popular vote. And I'm not talking about what happened in Ohio. The Constitution makes no mention of that. The Electoral vote is the only one that counts as far as who is President, and any chance to challenge that ended when Congress voted to accept the results.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:38 PM
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24. If it could be PROVEN that Diebold threw the '04 election to Bush |
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that might spark enough of a public outcry to warrant removing these horrible "justices".
That is assuming that Congress will even have the balls to investigate Diebold, which unfortunately seems unlikely!
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:45 PM
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28. it would no more spark an outcry to remove them than any of the 100s of other judges |
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and other bush appointees who have terms that run past the end of his presidency, or the legitimacy of any legislation signed by chimpy etc.
So even if it could be proven that the election was stolen, the results, and the consequences, are not going to change retroactively. The Senate confirmed those nomineees. The Senate and House passed the bills chimpy signed. They're done.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:20 PM
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Good way for him to destroy his presidency before he even gets started. Just a dumb idea. Reference FDR if you don't know why.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:25 PM
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21. Couldn't agree more this is not a fight that Obama needs to start his presidency with |
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besides we should have about three vacancies in the next year or so.
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Thu Nov-13-08 06:03 PM
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30. By the end of O's second term, SCOTUS should be 6-3 in our favor |
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I figure the only cons left on the bench will be Alito, Roberts, and maybe Thomas. All the rest will be gone, replaced by President Obama nominees.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:21 PM
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19. FDR at the peak of his popularity tried this with the same arguement and |
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he was rebuffed and democrats had many more members of the congress than they do now.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:36 PM
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23. You want Obama to repeat one of the two biggest mistakes that FDR ever made. |
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Of course the other mistake was agreeing to the internment of Japanese Americans.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:41 PM
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26. Give it another week or two. |
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There'll be DUers calling on Obama to throw Republicans in camps soon enough. The prospect of Democratic power is going to their heads.
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:40 PM
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25. We tried that once. It was a terrible idea. Let's not repeat the mistakes of the past. nt |
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Thu Nov-13-08 03:43 PM
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27. NO!! This is a horrible idea |
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We should just focus on electing Democratic presidents so we get liberal justices that right way. If Obama added justices, then the next Republican could add or subtract the number of justices needed to get a conservative majority. It would be a mess.
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Thu Nov-13-08 05:11 PM
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29. Wow - some here sure like to give ammunition to Limpballs & company |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 05:12 PM by RamboLiberal
FDR learned the hard way this won't fly!
Be honest, how would you have reacted if Bush had tried this?
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