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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:08 AM Original message |
Katrina vanden Heuvel: Why Robert Gates Is A Terrible Pick |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. Gates, like the rest of the cabinet, will do what they are told |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. I like this "mindless drone" meme you apologists are using to defend Obama's |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Exactly. |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. parrot.... |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. As an overseer to the Bush clusterf*ck in Iraq and Afghanland |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. meds? who can afford meds? |
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Andyit999 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Hillary is a bad pick too |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
74. LOL |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. "...assembled a national security team of such narrow bandwidth" Translation: not enough left wing |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Are you seriously suggesting that Gates is |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Nice extrapolation, but wrong (as most extrapolations tend to be) |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. you do know that 800 or so U.S. soldiers lost their lives during their 'surge' |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I always love having to answer the same question twice. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. The "decline in violence" is likely due to "ethnic cleansing." |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Agreed, ethnic cleansing is nearly complete in Iraq now. n/t |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. There's no one left to kill? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You think a few thousand U.S. troops really made any difference? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. You're the third person on this thread to put words in my mouth. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
71. Not exactly... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. i'm sure the ethnic cleansing has nothing to do with the decline in violence.. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. You're sure? I'm not. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. we sure are.. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Oh, I get it! Today is opposite day. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. i'm perfectly capable of engaging in a discussion of opposing viewpoints.. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It is opposite day! |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
75. Mmm. Not a good argument. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. What conversations do you suppose Gates and Obama had leading to Gates' appointment? |
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PRETZEL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
4. I don't think that this is the worst pick, |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
7. Damn, Katrina... Where were you a week and a half ago? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It wouldn't have made any difference.. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Perhaps... but it just makes me upset,now.... Powerless & upset... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Powerless is a given.. |
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
12. Gates seems to be doing a good job at cleaning up Rummy's mess |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
14. I agree with Katrina but also think that Obama knows what he's doing |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
15. It's troubling but I'm trying to have some optimistic view of it |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. For my money, Katrina is almost always on target with her analyses. I agree with her that |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. Oh joy, another one. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. No reason to distrust Obama's word? FISA, telecom immunity ring a bell? n/t |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Did I miss... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. political expedience always makes such a great excuse.. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I think rationality does. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. So you are essentially saying that Obama's word is worth nothing. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. This is going to be one of *those* conversations* then is it? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Telecom immunity is an abomination... |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Yes, some things are that simple. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
73. We all know telco immunity was what was really important about the FISA bill |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. if rape is inevitable, why not just lie back and enjoy it? |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Allow me... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. political expedience always makes such a great excuse.. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Alright then, I get it. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. i don't feel the need to type out a thousand words to get my point across.. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
65. you can rationalize a bad choice all you want |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Perhaps Obama decided to keep Gates on because he has |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Obama never said that he would just command the military to "get out of Iraq' |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. sigh... |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. much deeper and more dramatic sigh.. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Try reading it before posting it. All the way through. |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The rest of the article is Obama prepping us for a longer than 16 mo stay. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Is English your first language? |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Everybody including the b*sh administration has called for pulling out. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Do you have any kind of point? |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I want us out ASAP, Obama wants to listen to his commanders, who are |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. For the love of... |
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gogoplata (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Gates was 100% behind the staus of forces agreement. We will see where we stand 16 mo after Jan. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. Talking about womens' and girls' rights is great |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
34. You mean prick. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. I have mixed feelings on Gates. |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I also think Gates is great insurance against mischief on the way out |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
54. I've seen zero vision from Obama |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Oh, for Christ's sake. The man has not even taken office. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
55. Gates can always leave the post too. |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
58. People fell for W's "Compassionate Conservatism" and now we fell for "the Change" |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. LOL! What's your concept of change? Katrina vanden Heuvel as SoS? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
69. Here, Katrina -- some evidence that you're way out there in left field. |
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