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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:14 PM Original message |
Venezuela TV station to shut at midnight |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. They can go to satellite and cable broadcasts but not public airwaves |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. yep. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. Sure they can |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is this the equivalent of shutting down Fox news? It sounds good. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. It's worse than Fox |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. No matter how much lipstick they put on this pig, its still supression of the media |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:38 PM Original message |
No it isn't |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
14. Why not let another TV channel take the place, why put a government... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I don't see any indication Chavez himself will control the empty slot |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. "Televisión Venezolana Social" or Social Venezuelan Television is state run and controlled |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. But nobody has said RCTV's airwaves are gonna be replaced with that. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Actually, yes they did. I believe a NYT article posted in LBN on a thread about this... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Correction: It was a Reuters article, here it is... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. OK, we have established broadcast equipment has been seized. Now... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. I saw the transition at 12am on Univision |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Was it actual footage of the takeover of the RCTV facilities... |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Dupe |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Only if you ignore the part about them advocating violent overthrow of an elected government. n/t |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Corporate control of the media is suppression of free speech. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The problem is that Chavez controlling the media is no better. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. You are going in the right direction, as I see things, but not far enough. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:33 PM Original message |
Do you believe in the doctrine of separation of powers? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. There is a legislative branch in Venezuela. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Um, yeah, doesn't he have the power to rule by decree? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. The legislature gave Chavez authority to implement measures to return the control |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
86. So do you think conservative corporate extremist using media as a weapon of mass deception and |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Chavez is turning into a fat tyrant |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The station was antidemocratic trash |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Why do Nazi's get to march through predominantly Jewish neighborhoods in America? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Vulgar and unpopular speech does not equal incitement of violence and destruction |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I don't know, I didn't see anything in the documentary... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Allow me to cite two Supreme Court cases |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Yes, but you have yet to cite any hard evidence of footage where... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. We'll let the Supreme Court down there decide the case. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. You can also read some of the preliminary motions the Supreme Court has made: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Quite frankly, I don't trust the source you provided. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I should note that this source says the shutting down of RCTV has nothing to do with the coup... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. That was the Court's response to the charge by RCTV of... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. I wasn't aware it was controlled by the government. The four who run it are independent as far as I |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Have they ever featured an article critical of Venezuela and President Chavez? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Try this one highlighting issues surrounding Chavez and the party |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Oh well, it's not the un-network and soon anyone who opposes Chavez will become an unperson. |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. No he hasn't. This is the corporate oil interests trying to demonize him. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good f***ing riddance |
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DemDem07 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. What? |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
12. Any time one wins an arguement by stifling their opponents speech... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Don't tell that to the Chavez loving people over here |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. It is absolutely nothing like Fox News Channel |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. "Plus, 99% of their content is straight reporting." |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Personally, I watch 'em for the hot newsbabes. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. Enjoy "Televisión Venezolana Social", you Chavez supporters |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. It beat "Coup Televison" hands down |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. No, I don't agree. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Actually, considering Chavez tried a coup, it's just leftwing coup television... |
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brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I listened |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Both extremes are wrong |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
19. Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting had this to say about it: |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
26. You Chavez apologists are going to have to eat some crow someday... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. You are 100% fight, Flatulo... but some over here support left-wing authoritarism |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. So I've noticed. Cognizant dissonance is alive and well here. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Why disappear? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Oh I hope we're both around here in ten years, you'll be eating crow surprise. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Keep dreaming. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Oh, every country has laws for dealing with criminals... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. The Saddest Part Is Their Inability To Even Recognize It. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. It's not like we're supporting the opposition, but we're not supporting Chavez... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Exactly. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Actually, yes they did break laws, over TV airwaves no less, but they weren't prosecuted for it... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I've watched the footage in "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. First, they didn't JUST say that... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. You weren't watching closely. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Well, it's over with now: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the EU folks can probably be trusted. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Psst. Those are the countries making money off a privatized media, neoliberal policy, |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
77. They won't, though. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
84. I'm not a Chavez apologist. There is nothing to apologize for |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. He's As Much A Piece Of Garbage As Any Of The Rest. Shame On Him. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. But wait... Chavez knows and wants what's best for Venezuela, so |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
64. The Nature of CIA Intervention in Venezuela |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
67. Chavez is not a hero. He is a dictator and just because he stands up to Bush |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Shhhh!!! Remeber- If it's from the left, it's good no matter what! |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. In contrast to your view, that if it benefits corporate power it is a good thing. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Just because you believe the Chimpy lies does not make him a dictator. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. If Bush tried this, I doubt you would be cheering him on... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Bush does have those powers. Remember Fast Track Trade Negotiation? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Gee, I wonder where you heard that???? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Just a little critical thinking is all that's required. |
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