Reply #8: How much blame has Clinton accepted? [View All]

[Gyre]

I'm just saying that this is futile and a self-defeating exercise (ie, it will not reverse what's happened to US).

What Nader has done here is to articulate a big problem that we're facing and that the mainstream dem party seems oblivious to. Is that bad?

One thing that has occurred to me over the last few weeks is that while most of us self-identified dem/greens are unified on the issue of the chimp there are MAJOR divisions among us regarding what really happened to us in 2000 and 2004. We're probably going to have to reach concensus on the cause of those consecutive defeats before we can begin to argue productively on the remedy. And I just don't see that happening. Nader's observation/opinion is only useful if we have a majority in agreement as to WHAT EXACTLY is our Achille's heel? (I have a feeling that it's abortion and gay rights; and we're never going to agree internally that those two positions are killing our side of the political spectrum).

Cheers.

Gyre