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Liberator_Rev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 10:42 AM
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91. The Catholic Church disowned Hitler ONLY AFTER he was defeated!
The Catholic Church disowned Hitler ONLY AFTER he was defeated!but when it helped his cause to play the role of a defender of Catholicism or Christianity, the Catholic Church did nothing to remove that advantage from Hitler. He was obviously an evil man and may not have been a Catholic in GOD'S eyes, but he certainly was a Catholic in the eyes of the Catholics of Germany, because the Church (for whatever reason) AVOIDED excommunicating him, which is what would have made it obvious to everybody that Hitler was NOT a Roman Catholic in good standing with his Church. (And the same should be said of all the OTHER Roman Catholic allies of Hitler, one of whom, Tiso, was a Catholic PRIEST ) :



Hitler Was Not An Atheist

( but a Roman Catholic )

by John Patrick Michael Murphy



Every time Christian soldiers put their NAZI uniforms on,
they were repeatedly reminded that "God is with us".

       
In George Orwell's 1984, it was stated, "Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past." Who is going to control the present-fundamentalism or freedom?
History is being distorted by many preachers and politicians.  They are heard on the airwaves condemning atheists and routinely claim Adolf Hitler was one.
        Hitler was a Roman Catholic, baptized into that religio-political institution as an infant in Austria.  He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church.

        Its worst doctrines never left him.  He was steeped in its liturgy, which contained the words "perfidious jew." This hateful statement was not removed until 1961.  "Perfidy" means treachery.  In his day, hatred of Jews was the norm.  In great measure it was sponsored by two major religions of Germany, Catholicism and Lutheranism.
        He greatly admired Martin Luther, who openly hated the Jews.  Luther condemned the Catholic Church for its pretensions and corruption, but he supported the centuries of papal pogroms against the Jews.  Luther said, "The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows, seven times higher than ordinary thieves," and "We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them." "Ungodly wretches" he called the Jews in his book Table Talk.
       
Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, ". . .  I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator.  By fighting off the Jews.  I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.  Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him.  Great literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mein Kampf never appeared on the index of Forbidden Books.  He was not excommunicated or even condemned by his church.  Popes, in fact, contracted with Hitler and his fascist friends Franco and Mussolini, giving them veto power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain, and Italy.  The three thugs agreed to surtax the Catholics of these countries and send the money to Rome in exchange for making sure the state could control the church.
       
Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and microphones.  Acclaimed Hitler biographer John Toland explains his heartlessness as follows: "Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite the detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jews was the killer of god.  The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of god . . . "
       
Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church.  Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us).  His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests.  It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church and blindly followed all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical.
       
Hitler, like some of the today's politicians and preachers, politicized "family values."  He liked corporeal punishment in home and school.  Jesus prayers became mandatory in all schools under his administration.  While abortion was illegal in pre-Hitler Germany, he took it to new depths of enforcement, requiring all doctors to report to the government the circumstances of all miscarriages.  He openly despised homosexuality and criminalized it.
        The author is a retired attorney in Colorado Springs who writes a weekly column for an alternative newspaper.
{ from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 19, Number 2 

And here is a translation of part of a speech that Adolf Hitler gave in April, 1922. It was then published in "My New Order" :
       
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
       
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
       
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
       
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
       
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
       
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."

        "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." {Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46}
       
"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." {Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.152}
        I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator.  By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work.

Excerpts from http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/RCscandal
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