Reply #49: No flames, but in light of your unsubstantiated, [View All]

[Cleita]

unsourced and unlinked statements, let me go through them one by one. Incidentally, I am concerned that they are very similar to those I run across regularly on websites less “bleeding heart” than this one.

#1 Having control of our borders - - might be a good idea

Yes, but..but…but, I thought Homeland Security was supposed to take care of this and the Border Patrol, but others seem to want to shoot ‘em instead.

#2 How many of our tax paid benefits are illegal alien families able to collect immediately - - I don’t presume to know so why would you? What benefits are you talking about, welfare, Medicaid, jobs, housing? What are they collecting immediately? I mean is there a social worker there waiting for the coyotes to arrive with their cargo to sign up all these new residents with benefits? Do you have access to those stats that tell you so? If you do why aren’t you backing your statements with facts, sources and links?

I don't know about you but I think that I pay enough in taxes AND I'd like to see some of those services when I need them, instead of just hearing that taxes need to be raised for our schools, roads, SS benefits to remain intact Yes, so would we all. Have you written your elected representatives about this? What do illegal aliens have to do with roads, schools and SS benefits.? Our government is supposed to be providing this with your taxes. Instead, your taxes are going overseas to kill a lot of Iraqis and make some American Corporations very rich with direct ties to our present government.

Have you ever gone to a Public Aid Office or Social Security Office where benefits are applied for? A major portion of the people in those offices don't even speak English. Where do you live in Puerto Rico? I’ve gone many times to the SS office recently because my husband just died. Everyone spoke English. Are you talking about the employees or the applicants? They also had translators for Spanish and Mandarin. This effort to communicate to reduce errors is evil, why? It always amazed me that poor English speaking people couldn't get anything in their hard times, but foreigners could come into this country and immediately qualify for benefits. There you go again with those ferriners getting immediate benefits. Who is saying this besides Rush Limbaugh? Have you witnessed this? Can you put up proof. Oh, by the way, I’m one of those Hispanics and I have never had to apply for Public Aid and I speak English. I find your statements about no one speaking English and only English speaking people deserving benefits very offensive. Maybe it's you who need to learn to speak English. I don't think you are hearing your facts right.

#3 Some years ago I traveled down to Miami, We were lost and asked some people on the street for directions, nobody spoke English. Miami was taken over be Cubans. Street signs, business signs...the minority were American born U.S. citizens. Well, I have been going to Miami since oh since WWII. It is known as the Gateway to the Americas, so it’s always had a high level of Latino culture. There is a huge continent under there. Also, since Florida was originally settled by the Spaniards, the rest of you are Johnny come latelys.


#4 (And this may be the most important) Keeping wage levels depressed. As long as corporate America can keep the borders open for illegals to cross so that they can be exploited, the vicious circle will never end. Construction is a good example No union, lots of illegals, shit wages. Union, very few illegals, great wages. Now I know that unions have much to do with this, but get "right to work" going, get rid of unions, and allow free and easy labor pools of illegals and guess what? OUR wages remain low wages and we aren't able to afford to get out of poverty. Can’t blame ourselves can we for poor wages? It’s always easier to blame some poor shlub whose poorer than you. It’s the employers that are keeping wages down because any laws that would have prevented this in the past have been removed. Unions have been busted. Companies like the division they can create by getting workers to hate each other. Racism is as good a way as any.


If we are such bleeding hearts, why not support aid to their countries to help them build their own economies. I'm sure that it would be better for all if we approached it that way. Illegals could stay with their families in the land that they call home and we could have better wages across the board instead of one state being so much worse with wages and jobs than another because of close proximity to borders. Finally, you could have a partial solution. Everyone would rather stay in their homes if they could.

And we could better equalize the wages in this country. We will never have control of our wages against corporate America if illegals will work for pennies to our dollar just to get by. Sure we blame corporate America if we can handle corporate america, then the problem of illegals would basically remedy itself because illegals wouldn't be able to get jobs so they would not be flocking over here for work. Too bad, just when you were making sense, you tune into your bigotry instead of looking at what is going on. Until we organize labor on a large scale, outside of the government, but regulated by it, we will never have decent wages in this country, even if you shoot or send back every single, illegal, alien here.

You know who we used to pick on about those guys taking our jobs, our benefits, our roads? African Americans until they learned to fight back. So brown people from south of the border are the new enemy. If you can’t see how your bigotry is being manipulated by the Mayberry Machiavellis, then I feel sorry for you.

At the bottom of all this is Bush. He has exacerbated all those problems, the lost jobs, the poor wages, the taxes that he steals for himself and his corporate fat cats. Actually, he wants those low paid workers to drive wages down even further. He has hocked this country to China with your taxes to fund his conquest of the world. That’s why you don’t have any proper services anymore. Believe me, he’s not giving them to any illegal aliens unless it’s his rich Saudi buddies. As for those Cubans in Miami, they voted for him. Also, voting would make them Americans and not Cubans, no?

Oh, by the way, I consider myself a "kindhearted liberal". I refuse to let the side define me.