Reply #50: Occupation is not aid. [View All]

[K-W]

a. i'm not willing to jsut say fuck it - we trashed iraq - but there's nothing we can do about it now, let's jsut leave and let them sort it out.

Nor am I. There isnt much we can do about it now, but Im sure there are things we can do to help. But we cannot even begin to have the discussion of what we can do to help until we stop hurting them.

You for some reason seem to believe that military occupation helps countries. I dont know where you got this impression, but it is wrong. We can have a conversation about how to help Iraq if you want, but if you are going to operate under the assumption that occupying them helps them, then the discussion is piontless.

that's not fair at all, imo, and we need to do whatever is necessary or (asked of us by the Iraquis specifically) to make amends.


A good policy for us to persue after we end our illegal occupation of Iraq.


As for the Paprt Tiger bit - getting out of Iraq isn't going to make the Issues the radicals have with us go away. Iraq is but one battle in a long war. And The Radicals see it that way. As the quote above from Zawahiri clearly shows.

Actually, getting out of Iraq is going to make one of the issues the radicals have with us go away. Because one of the issues they have with us is our occupation of Iraq.

Perhaps you shouldnt take the words of Zawahiri as a good indication of reality. Al Queda does in fact view this as a battle in a war, because they are fanatics. The only reason we would choose to share this view, is if we too were fanatics or at least wanted to persue fanatical policies, like supporting illegal occupation as a benevolent force.

Here on planet earth the muslim fanatics are only a threat to us because they can draw support and recruit. The reason they can draw support and recruit is for 2 reasons. 1. The chaotic and despotic nature of society in the region. 2. Thier rhetoric ties into legitimate grievences.

Continued occupation is acting to exacerbate both problems. Leading to an increased terror threat.