Reply #13: Reordered for Consistency [View All]

[ieoeja]

America was built on genocide and slave labor, and still enjoys the fruits of slave labor TODAY, at home and abroad. Some of you may think that this is a hateful thing to say, or is an Anti American view point, it is neither, IT IS THE UGLY TRUTH!!!! To say anything otherwise is revisionist history and blasphemous. e.g. "this country was built on Christian values" or "this country was built on liberty and justice" Give me a break.

America was built on both actually as the United States was the first country to expand the British/German concepts of democracy and individual freedom beyond the aristocracy to the common man. The battle to enfranchise an even larger portion of the population has existed since America's inception beginning with Jefferson calling for the repeal of slavery in the first draft of the Declaration of Independence.


There are plenty minorities that are picking fruits and vegetables in America TODAY that are being exploited. Plenty of minorities that work for below minimum wage in the restaurant industry, construction industry and cleaning industry that are not WORKING the system.

I have some poor white people you need to meet. My non-minority brother was a migrant worker as a young adult. And truck farming is a very common summer job for a large portion of the white teenage population in rural areas.


America really did a number on African Americans. Desegregation in public schools only happened 40 years ago!!! That’s within our lifetime, and we expect minorities to be on par with European Americans? When uneducated Europeans came to this country, it took two to three generations for a family to become middle to upper class. One generation worked all their life in a factory, as a result, they were able to buy a home. The next generation inherited the family home and didn’t have to worry about paying the mortgage or paying rent. This enabled the following generation to have more advantages and so on ….

Those days are gone and the leap for a poor un educated families is bigger than ever before. There are no factories to work a lifetime at, higher tuition costs, housing costs ect …

Now I have some immigrants you need to meet. The real father of the kid who sometimes calls me dad was the Mexican-American son of two Mexican immigrants. He did manual labor right up to the time he died, but every one of his siblings are middle-class, white collar professionals. And the Mexican farmer who bought the home next door to me ten years ago had up to thirteen wage earners living under the roof at one time. I got news for you, even if you're getting paid shit you can pay off a mortgage in less than a decade if there are thirteen of you getting paid shit. And several of the kids are actually doing quite well already. Of course, a lot of people did better last decade. (remember peace and prosperity way back then?)


What about Asian Americans, how come they do so well in this country? Well, recent Asian immigrants that come to this country already come with a good education and/or profession and/or already come from money. So they are more on par to compete with European Americans. What is the equivalent of the ghetto or barrio in the Asian community? There is none. They all live in middle or upper class homes, and asian teenagers drive souped up Honda and Acura racing cars ala fast and furious. So to compare Asian immigrants with African Americans or Latinos is an unfair comparison.

It is true that the Asian experience in the United States has typically not been quite as bad as that of Africans or Latinos. And in more recent times it has even been positive. It amazes me how many IT managers see/hear an Asian and leap to the conclusion that they are dealing with a software genius. But as I say, these are relatively recent developments in the treatment of Asian-Americans. Historically they were treated more like other immigrants, getting the lowest paid jobs as cleaners, cooks, etc.


American companies really get medieval on non white countries though. They build their factories in Mexico, China, India etc etc ... Why do American companies only use non white workers for their slave labor? Why aren’t American companies going to Russia or Yugoslavia and using their peoples for slave labor? Nike has Chinese people making their shoes in appalling conditions, earning a slaves wage. Same thing in Mexico, that’s why they all come here. It’s better for them to be exploited by an American company in America, than an American company in their own country.


You seem to have forgotten that the former communist countries in Europe were formerly communist. As someone with considerable international business experience I can assure you that those countries STILL have labor laws that make it look "medieval" right here inside the United States. The reality is that American companies go to poorer, minority populated countries because (1) workers will happily work for less money because there is less wealth available in their country and (2) those countries have fewer laws respecting labor rights. If you have a problem with this I suggest you take it up with the leaders of those countries. You seem to be bashing American CEOs for the actions of Hugo Chavez or Vincente Fox.

And what happened to all Asians coming from money? Do only wealthy Asians emmigrate?