Reply #34: Interesting that you added a qualifier to the use of violence... [View All]

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And that's *unnecessary* violence. And from yr history of posts here in this forum, it's easy to see that when the violence comes from the IDF, it's deemed to be necessary violence...

Nothing I have read from pelsar indicates that he is at all unconcerned with needless violence no matter what camp it comes from. On the contrary, he has always spoken out against any group or individual who wantonly causes bloodshed.

Okay, show me links to all these posts you say exist that are speaking out against the violence of the IDF...


About the article... I spent a while clicking around reading this story on different sites and checking out other stories on the original site posted. It's pretty clear that these protesters were not pacifists and didn't go there to just protest peacefully or even engage in non-violent direct action but to provoke the soldiers into engaging them, creating a fiasco for the cameras. But what's scarier to me is the way this article portrays the events, they are so innaccurate as to basically just be lying.

Ah, so even if a protest was a totally non-violent one, any violence from the soldiers would be written off as claiming the soldiers were provoked. Great. That's the same sort of argument that men who beat their partners and rapists use to justify their own actions...

And considering that this story is being covered by so many legit news sites, why did the DU poster specifically choose to link to the Cuban news site unless it was because their fake, anti-Israel news was preferable to real, unbiased news? And why do so many of you seem so unfazed by the gross innaccuracy of the clip that you are actually defending it?

I'm a bit curious as to how you managed to read the article seeing as how the link didn't work for me, even when I copied and pasted the entire thing including the ampersand that was causing problems into another browser. Have you got a working link for me to use? Also, I notice you totally ignore that I posted a very credible article from Ha'aretz which proves that the soldiers do lie about protesters being violent in order to justify their own violence. No surprises there :)

Do you have anything of substance to provide when it comes to yr claims that the source isn't a credible one? Apart from it being Cuban, that is?


I'm actually a little shocked. For all of your accusations against others of defending Israel no matter what, it looks like you might be guilty yourselves of that exact practice, only against Israel.

Go back. Read the post yr replying to and explain to me how you came to that conclusion.


Settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are described as the equivalent of terrorists. (And I happen to agree that militant settlers are vicious monsters.) But then when protesters attack soldiers with rocks launched from slingshots their actions are excused and defended. Let's be clear here, these soldiers were not engaged in any aggressive actions, they were not storming a village or destroying a house or doing anything that required defending against. In fact, they were responding cooly to attempts to engage them until they were actually attacked. And they WERE attacked.

Y'know, there's something abhorrent about settlers throwing rocks at civilians whether they be adults or children. The same would go if it were Israeli civilians. But somehow yr stirring defence of those poor defenseless IDF troops just leaves a fair bit to be desired when it comes to realism. They're armed, and as the article I posted shows, are guilty of unprovoked violence...

If you doubt this or think that they responded with excessive force I suggest you try an experiment. I think there's a pro-Palestine rally soon in New York. NYC cops can be gruff and quick-to-anger but they are a far cry from being stormtroopers or shock troops; they're a good group to try this test on. It's an easy test, if you want to try it I'll come with you to record the results and attempt to bail you out later...

Whoo hoo! I'll be there as long as you pay the airfare!!!