Reply #201: Violet, you are mistaken on all counts. [View All]

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But I will answer you, anyway. What books I've read, you ask. Well, on the specific problems of Palestine, none. Furthermore, I don't intend to. I know their claimed history well enough. I read a lot of political journals, and it is covered over and over. I hang out a www.democraticunderground.com, where I find plenty of links, many of which I've read. I read at www.arabnews.com every day. I read and post at www.islamicity.org on a fairly rregular basis (under another name, of course). For cryin' out loud, I go read at www.yellowtimes.org at least twice a week. I defy you to find a site more dedicated to the Palestinian cause. But I also read the Israeli side.

OK, I wasn't there when Israel was founded, but I was politically aware at the time of the 1967 war. The Arab side, not just the Palestinians, lost and lost territory in doing so. what makes them so special?? Other people have done so. Perhaps, All Muslim Arabs ought to move back to Saudi Araabia and give the rest of the Mid-East back to the Greeks, who were running the Byzantine Empire at the time they exploded out of Arabia, conquering territory, and forcibly converting Christians to Islam??

When I hear 2 contradictory stories of which I have no first hand knowledge myself, I will decide who to believe by who I can determine is otherwise lying to me. This has proven to be the Palestinian side, most often.

So why bother. I am not going to change my mind on this, neither are you.. You're right. I'm sorry, you made me mad. However, what I meant to say was that based on the facts, as I know them at theis time, and as presented by you and the other pro-Palestinian side, I wasn't going to change my mind. And, as you seem to know the fact that the Palestinians are targeting] innocent Jewish women and children for murder, and you don't, insofar as I can tell, think that affects the legitimacy of their cause, I don't think that anything I can say will change your mind.

Let me give you an opinion. Regardless of the justice, or lack thereof, of the Palestinian cause, the Israelis would be foolish to address it until the Palestinians are beaten. The P's say that they intend to drive the Jews into the sea, they say that there will be no Jews in Palestinian lands, they say that they want to come back to Israel to vote it out of existence. and they are willing to do murder to do it.


As far as commonsense goes, history teaches us that in war, one side wins and the other side loses. It gets to be a case, for the opposing sides, if not for spectators like me, and, I am assuming here, you, of us or them. We may deplore that, but that is a fact of history. It is not, however, necessarily, a question of good vs bad. But, any 'peace process' that doesn't end with the Palestinians getting everything they want is doomed to fail. So the Israelis have no choice but to wage war. The Palestinians, on the other hand, do not want to wage war, they want to murder, and there is a considerable difference.

Seriously, you cannot suppose that the Israelis are morally obligated to let themselves be murdered, or to be driven into the sea, can you? As nice talk does not seem to work, hard actions are the only options left. that is my opinion