Reply #65: Well....I would say that the people who have supported the Democratic [View All]

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party for so long are owed SOMETHING. For instance...Blacks and workers have been very loyal to the party...but they'll tell you they think they're getting screwed by the 'new' Democrats who don't support unions and are wishy washy on programs that benefit minorities.

Win some elections? You mean like the DLCers have been 'wining' since 1994? Please don't lecture others on winning with such a poor friggin record under your belt. The Democratic party has never been in this bad of shape in its entire history.

I don't have to show evidence about what women, blacks, poor, workers, etc think about the 'new' Democratic party. Look around the web...talk to the people and find out for yourself. Many Dems believe they've been sold out. Even Kerry stated that he EXPECTED the votes of the base as he went after the so-called swing voters. But in 2008...any Democratic candidate will have to EARN votes because they won't be automatically given as in 2000 and 2004.

It simply amazes me that DLCers can even THINK of compromising (and getting little or nothing in return) with the criminal, secretive, arrogant Bush* government. Many, many Democrats will never forgive them for this. Most Democrats are smart enough to know that the Bushies have committed crimes against the state and humanity...and that the Democratic leadership has done nothing about it.

On edit: the 'far left' hasn't had any real power or leadership role in the party since the New Deal and Great Society. You've said before that 'we' should win a few elections...but you should know that the New Democrats are actively working to keep anyone to the left of them out of leadership positions. "WE" knew long before the primaries that a DLCers or someone they approve of would become the 'chosen one' to continue to sell out the party.