Reply #21: You know I love your threads, arendt [View All]

[Zodiak]

Your disdain for the DLC even exceeds my own. I will never vote for a DLCer again...ever. And yeah, that includes Clinton.

However, I have a slight bone to pick with this OP. I am not completely convinced that Obama represents the same kind of triangulating corporate apologist as the DLC, Clinton in particular. We know that the DLC has groomed Clinton to be "acceptable" on all of the hotbutton issues that keep liberals voting while having the rest of their members vote like Atilla the Hun. This has kept the * juggernaut trampling over this country unabated while preparing the next corporate presidency to maintain the plan (just "smarter" than Commander Codpiece) through the other party.

I saw much the same thing with the DLC and Obama when he ran for the Senate (the grooming), but when tracking his votes, he did score more consistently with the progressive position and has voted directly against the DLC more than a few times. He has publically stated that he wants no part in the DLC and made them take his name off of their website. Like I said, his votes do not quite jibe with DLC positions. He could be a stealth DLCer like Schumer...but I do not have evidence of that as of yet.

Friendship with Joe Leiberman is immaterial. Boxer is a friend to Leiberman, isn't she? Not damning enough.

I think that Obama is a triangulator, but not in the vein of the DLC. I believe that he truly does think that if we can just sing Koombayah and hold hands, we can rebuild this country (he's naive and idealistic). He used the DLC for his meteoric rise to the Senate, but I do not see him continuing down that path.

I could be wrong because I cannot read his mind, but it is my belief that he is different than HRC. Not GREAT....but not DLC. We can work with him.

But I'd rather be working with Edwards or Kucinich.