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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:50 AM
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87. Sorry to have upset you.
My profiling experience tells me that your attempts at sarcasm are defense mechanisms that people use when they are cornered in their self-made argument dead ends. That doesn't take omniscience, just an examination of your spinning POV. You said you did not hate Hillary, but then you say you concluded that Obama would make a better choice based on her voting record on the issues important to you - war, education, economics, civil liberties. But of course you only attack her record without acknowledging that his record on those same issues is almost identical to hers, any small differences being easily explained by the vagaries of voting trades and personal spite that goes on in the Senate. The argument that Hillary claimed that whites won't vote for Obama is an silly extension of the polling data that shows somewhat conclusively that there are still areas of the midwest, east, and south where she carried giant majorities of the white vote in the primaries. Of course Barack carried giant majorities of the African American votes. Does that mean that he says that Blacks won't vote for Hillary? Silly. Silly. Silly.

You do not address the fact that your posts did not address the OP, that the author's name merely triggered as a kneejerk reaction, a little HH rant. Again, the OP was about how the media had influenced the general populace to have negative opinions about Hillary, and how they will use their positions to create a the same opinions about Barack. The point I took from it is that if they had such an easy time convincing liberal minded Democrats that Hillary was so terrible, they will have a much easier time doing the same thing for Barack to the millions of moderate, independents, and situational libertarians that Obama supporters cite as his huge base of new voters. I don't doubt that we can keep those voters in the Democratic camp, but we need to know that they cannot be taken for granted, and that rabid Hillary hate will only turn off a substantial number of those that Barack will need to counter the coming loss of many of those who now champion him.

We started this exchange probably because of a tiny flaw in the English language. The word "you" is both singular and plural, both personal and generic. My generic use of the term about people refusing to see the truth was worded in such a way that you could take it personally, I didn't mean that you were the only person that I thought the idea referred to, just that what you wrote was an example of such a line of thinking.

It's going to be a bumpy summer and fall. Rather unpleasantly like being drunk. We all need to keep our towels handy.
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