Reply #12: not all is done for money, i am cautioning that some do this to protect [View All]

[sam sarrha]

their own beliefs because they feel if there is another effective method theirs is threatened, even if they are equally effective

the conclusion that is being 'begged' is that NDE's are not real.. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.. this is how people make a name for themselves in an industry that is myopic and and wants to keep things that way.. my fear is that the dialog seems ot indicate that this study is is to stroke those with grants with an obsession to disprove mysticism.....

Testable Hypothesis..???????!!! the real test here is if the event causes positive permanent changes in an individual and/or group. the question that follows is does a disbelief in NDE's create a positive and lasting effect in its dis-believes

i have no fear in what they prove neurologically..other than the methodology used is valid and that they actually understand the details and causes...which no one does. my concern is that the purpose is to prove us wrong and invalidate alternate perspectives that do have measurable effects... if you dont think there is a fundamentalist movement to disprove anything not supported by and that actually threatens mainstream religion then you are in a hypnagogid dream yourself.

and these People cant get a 'Control Group' for this.. first you have to have a group of psycho analyzed patients with a variety of background variables. then you have to kill them and bring them back.. and to cover all the options you have to kill them in a variety of methods.. this turd isn't going to fly.. i feel that it is possible some guy is just trying to get a grant from the 700 club

i am not trying to be right, i am standing up and trying to tell you this really cant be done short of wiring a patient to a PET scan and against the odds of that happening and its cost, it wont happen.. the point is that i was a dedicated scientist and i have Experienced ASC's ..Altered States of Consciousness.. both are real. there is more than enough data to prove NDE's are real.. why dont they try to prove they are real, and not sleep apnia. i dont personally feel a need to prove anything..i took a job to help juveniles in a lock up prison by teaching them meditation, every kid i taught to meditate was paroled in 60 days.. i lost my job.. and was told not to do that any more.. i did science and discovered a dangerous product and lost my job.. is that some kind of phenomena.. if not it is certainly curious.

science is a valuable tool, but what we see today is not always science, it is a corporate method to maximize profits. the corporations have infiltrated our education system, out hospitals, our food, our religion.. i follow no religion i seek what works, science hay day is long gone.. they used to seek 'cures' and now seek only methods to collect rent with expensive life long treatments, they used to seek effency and now seek profits.. it all started with Ronald Reagan... who knows when this madness will all end..

I just dont trust them is my point, i used my own experience as an example.. i didn't say science was worng only maybe they were wrong-their method/motovation, some of their methods are tho.

NDE's frequently change the person in a positive way permanently for the better, the disbelievers in NDE's dont seem to be changed in a positive way or in any way.. perhaps their disbelief is a symptom of some other negative mental disorder, i will get some of the staff down at the local yoga center for a control group.. :rofl: