Reply #183: Wow. Exaggerating my "exaggeration." Superb. [View All]

[Ron Mexico]

If only internet posts had that kind of power. Luckily for all of us there are no such consequences to sharing our opinions on a forum and we can discuss things freely.

Think that way if you like, but I wouldn't underestimate the power of the Internet. I think it had a lot more to do with Bush's second term than those AM radio assholes did. We can certainly discuss things freely, but spitting on people who disagree with you generally doesn't make either side look good.

Except of course that this is completely bogus. Nobody has suggested this.

Plenty of people have, and in the case of the OP I honestly didn't think I needed to ask the "okay, who is going to pay" questions that were already asked elsewhere in the thread. I kind of thought the implication was obvious, but it wasn't in your case. Mea Culpa.

If someone is so fickle and stupid that they pick parties based on whether or not they agree with one post on a forum setup by some members of that party, we really cant be concerned with pleasing them, can we?

I was merely describing the effect the post can have on people. All of us on this board are voting Democrat anyway, but there still is a swing vote out there. When I read the OP's tirade,I didn't just see an opinion which opposes mine, I saw this:


"AAAAAH! WE MUST PAY FOR ILLEGALS' HEALTH CARE, AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WILL BURN, BURN, BURN!"

There is no cause that this guy in the picture can be for which is likely to attract voters with that sort of approach, and in the case of the OP I would have been shaking my head reading that sort of post even if I agreed. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that your "stupid and fickle" shot wasn't directed at me, those who are truly stupid - likemost of the freetards - have a vote that count just as much as yours and mine. And in the case of the OP, I truly believe that anyone who posts telling others how to think deserves anything that comes. Freedom of speech doesn't mean a guaranteed adoring audience. Just as you're free to scoff at my post, I will feel free to scoff at the OP. But thanks for your input.

We don't provide them with any other kind.

Yes, we do. I was talking about receiving EMERGENCY CARE (care in an actual emergency), not just seeing a doctor in an emergency room like you or I would see a general practitioner, which illegals and the homeless do all the time. That costs billions. Further, my wife's best friend is a nurse in a D.C. hospital and tells us that illegals come on all the time complaining about whatever will get them this prescription or that, and in accordance with law the hospital has to provide a full battery of tests, most of which are expensive and go unpaid until the tab is passed to the taxpayer. For that matter, we provide school health care (and, for that matter, education) to kids here illegally. We DO provide them with other kinds. You couldn't be more wrong.

To address your second point: You may well be right about preventive care being cheaper (I assume you mean society-wide, not just for one individual who happens to get smacked by an emergency), but that's another issue entirely and wouldn't change my mind about taxpayer-paid services going to those here illegally. I'll discuss that in another thread if you start one and PM me the link, but not here. My point was that if the OP wants to change minds, the approach chosen is as poor of a choice imaginable.

Regardless, if you have no problem with providing illegals emergency care, then why are you going off on a tirade about a post that suggests pretty much the same thing?

It doesn't suggest the same thing, and even if it did, I was commenting on the "you're a fucking piece of shit if you don't take my view as gospel" tone anyway. I can't believe you read both posts and didn't get any of this.

Your post is every bit as hostile and exclusionary as the post you are replying to, perhaps moreso.

I'll agree with your use of "hostile," I admit that I intended that, but not with "exclusionary." Even if you're referring specifically to my indicating that I didn't care what the OP, personally, thought on other issues, at least I wasn't spitting on everyone who disagrees with me. Unlike the OP, I can hear different points of view without blowing a gasket and putting up a thread to bark at everyone who doesn't agree with me. Tolerance means tolerance of different viewpoints, no matter how distasteful you may find them, and the OP is anything but tolerant where this issue is concerned.

If you think that the OP's approach is effective, more power to you. I don't, and was exercising the same freedom of speech that the OP was. I showed him what you just showed me: nobody is guaranteed freedom from disapproval.