Reply #252: Best post I've seen in this thread [View All]

[guitar man]

especially this part:

The real question is do you believe that a civilized society makes sure that all of its' citizens have enough to eat, clean air and water, health care, education, and old age security regardless of what they can "buy?" Because if you believe that, then it means some form of what conservatives call "big government" and it means paying fair, progressive taxes. Fair taxes mean that corporations, which depend on the roads, schools, water systems, courts, etc. also pay their fair share - not a lower rate than the poorest among us.

Are you getting this, fedup? What kenzee has posted here strikes at the heart of what is wrong with pro big business conservative policy and has always been wrong with it. If you want to make the jump, you have to SERIOUSLY consider what is written above. The words "to promote the general welfare" were put into the preamble to the Constitution for a good reason. If you believe in promoting the general welfare, even if it costs more than we might want to pay sometimes....especially for the wealthiest among us, then you're in the right place.

Hell, I don't like paying taxes, I don't think anybody does. And, I certainly want to see our system fine tuned to make the most efficient use of every penny we pay into it. However, the "cut taxes on the richest, shower them with corporate welfare and we'll all benefit" meme is THE BIGGEST SACK OF HORSESHIT ever fed to the American people. Almost 30 years after we took the first bite of that horseshit, we have found that IT DOESN'T WORK. IT NEVER WORKED AND IT NEVER WILL WORK


I have no problem with wealth, wealthy people or getting wealthy.Hell, I'd like to be that way myself. But, like it or not, the scope of influence of the uber-wealthy needs to be kept on some kind of a leash or they WILL get out of hand and run rampant over the lives, liberty and pursuit of happiness of the common people. And they need to pay their fair share for what their business interests use in the way of public resources. We made the mistake of letting them run rampant since the rise of Reagan and look where it has gotten us...a country damn near in ruins. And you know what, I seem to remember plenty of people were getting plenty rich before Reagan came along with the idea that things were just so difficult for them . Horseshit.

that's just a little food for thought. good luck in your continued quest, wherever it may lead you.


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