Reply #24: Well put [View All]

[Clovis Sangrail]

though the way to get fundies to go along with this seems rather clear to me.

Most of the people I've met who are opposed to gay marriage are more opposed to government constraints on religion.
I've successfully argued gay marriage from this angle with more than one of them by pointing out that this is govt constraint on religion.
After that the issue changes from the govt not recognizing same sex unions to the govt recognizing some religions and not others.

We're both obviously on the same side of this issue, but unfortunately our current environment makes it very clear that this is an argument that needs framing, it is a debate that has to be won, and it will require philosophical discussion in order to change minds.

The constitution is a framework for the process of democracy - we have to fight to make sure its tenets are followed.
If the constitution was completely black and white we could replace the entire judicial system with computers.