Reply #50: leftchick [View All]

[Diclotican]

leftchick

Yes I know it is millions out there, who are shamed, shocked and enraged by this administration that... And the case is the same in the rest of the world.. You are not alone even if it sees like that in the dark ages of mr Bush and the bandits.. The whole claim of defending security, freedom and democracy and using torture is just so stupid and criminal that I do not know.. If US was indeed there to make a country better and build a country with security, freedom and democracy, they have to play by some of the rules the US was so instrumental of make possible after World ware TWO.. Then some of the americans understand that to stop what happened in ww2 they have to have rules, who will defending the weak, the civilians and they who couldn't fend for them self in a war.. Or was not part of military formations...

Yes it is been known for many decades that US have been using torture, and murders in the "dirty" wars.. South America was once the prime targets from "the school of americans".. The same is the case in part of Asia. Who US was treating more og less as their own home jard, but today the fact is so much open, and into the light.. Today the US can not more claim to not know, when stories like this is making headline.. And we all know that this administration you have had for 8 year, more og less openly have supported that type of things.. And even claimed once and twice that torture was an important way of getting information.. Even that every expert who was coming out after the case broke (2004 Abu Girab) have told that it is not an important way of getting information. In fact the intelligence can get far better information by behave decent, and to treat their prisoner with some respect.. In the end they are talking anyway.. All this torture and murderers the US soldiers have been doing, is more from the point of REVENGE than of the point of "protecting the security of US".. And in the last 8 year, the revenge have been the norm in Iraq, and in Afghanistan. If anyone still believe the Abu Girab pictures was some bad apples who going the wrong way, then they are wrong.. Soldiers are seldom given the freedom to do this type of behavior without the approval from high ranking officers.. The whole concept of soldier do as they please, even in a prison where the prisoners are pretty well in the hand of the guards.. And I do not believe even the high ranking officers have not doing this without approval from higher up.. Like the Vice President, The President. The Pentagon and its like..

Well, yes it some hawks there in obama government that is true.. But compared to the republican government of mr Bush I would claim them to be more normal than the Bush administration.. And the next administration have to much problems inside their own country, to be to warlike abroad.. US can not fight more wars today than they already is doing.. And Obama have pointed out one important thing, he want out of Iraq.. And even that the next president without doubt want EU/NATO to get some involvement into Iraq I doubt they will manage to get EU/NATO into there.. Not the "old europe" as mr Rumsfeld once claimed us to be.. And the "New europe" have not the resources to get into a shooting war on their own.. Not if US was to pull out most of their forces.. Even that many was to came to Afghanistan and not home.

And even Afghanistan would be a hard time to clean up now.. The Taliban, the War Lords and others have managed to almost cripple the government in Kabul.. I would take a long time to make this possible to be a stable peacefully country if not something is been doing very soon.. If US had just put the foot of th ground in 2002-03 instead of going to Iraq. Then maybe, just maybe Afghanistan had been a lot more stable and safe for the afghans..

It is amazing that the US of 1945 managed to build up the Marshall plan, who in many cases "saved" the Western Europe when it came to the first couple of winters after ww2. The germans of 1945-48 was almost starving, and the most of the country was been destroyed by the war.. A decade later, West Germany was more or less rebuild, even that it would take many year to fully repair everything..
Why can't US manage to do the same once again?.. If the US, with their friends in Europe (I really doubt Saudi-Arabia would give two cents to Afghanistan) in the aftermath of 2002 BOMBING had managed to sent resources to rebuild some of the ruined city's, then maybe the Taliban have not been that dangerous anymore..

You are welcome to emigrate to Norway. As I know it, it is rather difficult to emigrate to Norway, but if you are willing to go true the proses, you would be welcome here;). We are at least, a very peacefully little corner of the world;)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language