Reply #139: Their Enjoyment of Their Cruelty Toward Us IS the "Joke" [View All]

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Great post. You always find that there are several attitudes and opinions that go together, and they are exhibited again on this thread. The response jumps, quickly, from "it was just a joke," to "I CHALLENGE you to PROVE IT," "male-hating 'bitch,' " "YOU really have serious psychological problems," "you are so fucking stupid, I can't even believe it," etc., etc., instantly--right below the surface. The thing that makes some people laugh at violence/humiliation "jokes" is a complete lack of empathy for the hated group--they can never suffer enough to finally please those who hate them. I offends the bigot, that the other even has a perspective that deserves to be heard. I have heard this from family members, other males I have known--you can feel them tightening up when a woman even wins a debating point, gains some kind of a victory, or anything else, and you know, there is going to be a fight. There is a certain type of woman-hating male, and you can read them yet again on this thread, who gets excited at the thought of more torment, who laughs and attacks every single thing you say or write, right down to the details of wording, and keeps it up, more and more angry and sputtering, more sarcastic, more hostile. If a woman's separate perspective is even referred to, if males are criticized at all--look out.

Their trivialization is so ingrained in them, that they can't even find it, separate from the whole anymore, like the animal abuser who gets indignant: "You're arresting me because I kicked a dog?? A goddamned DOG??" They do not get that it is they who have diminished the other; they accuse you of exaggerating; and they don't get the flip side of the same coin. The manipulation is endless, of course: First, rape is "so serious" that they are furious that anyone should ever be allowed to make the charge, then a second later, they themselves are "laughing" at rape "jokes." They are "shocked, outraged" that anyone would ever want the rapist-lovers off the air, yet where are all the women on the corporate media telling jokes about cutting male penises off? Obviously, there are none--they were all censored by males, and no one complains. There is censorship all over the place--of us. As a matter of fact, I don't even know why this thread only refers to Condoleezza Rice, as if they were "selective." I heard a commercial promo on CNN Headline"News" for their "Hollywood" program, on this topic, and that it was "Offensive, Horrible, and Disgusting--and We Have It, Coming Up Right After This Message," and no, I did not listen to it, that mentioned that they were attacking other women too, including Queen Elizabeth. It is a hate-party against all women, who cannot do anything to stop it, because it has been given permission.

Many attitudes go together: a use of violent and/or degrading pornography, hated of feminism, excitement at violence from many male-media sources, enjoyment of taunting others, and complete lack of empathy for women and their perspective, leading to instant, angry attack and opposition at everything we try to express, no matter what it is. Dismissing the very experience of women, so that, 1) they are "always lying or exaggerating," 2) their history is "not important," the way "real, male" history is, 3) things are always worse when they happen to a male, and I don't want to bother listening to a "bitch" regardless. Some people make the mistake of thinking that they are good people, but just uninformed, but after you get lunged at, attacked, manipulated, and accused, several more times, each one more hysterical, then you can start to wake up. They will always defend the rapist, and attack the woman and her defenders.

I read some years ago, during the '80s, of a rapist who later felt a conscience for what had been done to the victims, and became a counselor in a prison rape-group, to make them face what they had done, and what their attitudes of hate toward women are. Knowing that the crime had happened, that it was rape and that the woman victim was telling the truth, this rapist described the treatment of the investigation and questioning by (male) police: "I coudn't believe it. They believed everything that I said." This is always the case with male bigots--they always cast the male as pure and truthful, and always treat any defense of women as if it were a "test"--(pro-"bitch," or "one of us")--and it is going to be a fight. The only good thing about this depressing spectacle, is that it seems the numbers of fighters-for-women has increased. I am no longer surprised that "Democrats" are shown to be woman-haters and abusers; this should be faced.