Bush Lashes Back at Kennedy's Criticism

[bluedog]

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Bush Lashes Back at Kennedy's Criticism
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WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) on Sunday described as "uncivil" Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record)'s critical remarks of the administration's policies in Iraq (news - web sites).




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In an exclusive Oval Office interview with Fox News' Brit Hume, Bush said that while he respected Kennedy, the senator "should not have said we were trying to bribe foreign nations."


"I don't mind people trying to pick apart my policies, and that's fine and that's fair game," Bush said in the interview that will air Monday night. "But, you know, I don't think we're serving our nation well by allowing the discourse to become so uncivil that people say — use words that they shouldn't be using."

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[DoYouEverWonder]

1. So in other words

He didn't deny that Kennedy's statement was true?

[bluedog]

5. you're right

he didn't deny this......we all know the truth...and we know hes very thin skinned and don't like people who question or stand up to him!!!!Watch out Teddy....the bushies are out to get you...be careful..and leave a note about all the shit you know!!!!

[FauxNewsBlues]

12. Youngsters: Go watch All The President's Men

There ya will learn all about the art of the non denial denial.

You attack the character, and the motives of the person making the charges, and forget to actually deny the allegations. There is nothing new here. Nixon playbook page 1.

[rocktivity]

59. Exactly! He call Kennedy "uncivil"

But he DIDN'T call Kennedy "a liar"! Unless he didn't do so because THAT would have been uncivil...:crazy:


rocknation

[displacedtexan]

2. another non-denial denial

such a familiar tune these days.

[Cha]

3. bush is "uncivil"....for Lying about the need to attack Iraq and

have thousands of People die! That's UNCIVIL!

[bluedog]

14. remember Delay?

Fascinating. First Delay, now Bush, claim that Ted Kennedy is a mean, uncouth, uncivil person for saying that we are missing $1.5 billion a month, and it is being used in a slush fund.

They are both so busy being offended, that they forget to deny the charges. Must have slipped their minds.

[calimary]

38. OKAY, GUYS, HERE'S WHAT TO DO:

FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING, if you can, call and voice your support to Ted Kennedy, and tell Tom DeLay where to stick it.

Ted Kennedy's numbers are -

in Washington: (202) 224 - 4543
in Boston: (617) 565 - 3170

PLEASE CALL his office(s) to tell them you approve of what he said and you are glad somebody of great prominence is finally telling it like it is - this war IS a "FRAUD made up in Texas." AND, that you want to know where the money's going and why so much of it, every month, is unaccounted for.

For even more fun, here are Tom DeLay's numbers -

in Washington: (202) 225 - 5951
in Texas: (281) 240 - 3700

PLEASE CALL his office(s) also - to tell them how utterly wrong he is, how Ted Kennedy is absolutely correct, and how he, DeLay, should SHUT UP! Or better yet, start WISING UP and stop this Godawful war!

I realize this is Sunday, but I wanted to extend the heads-up. This is VITALLY important! They need to hear from us! You can bet your lunch money Ted is getting bombarded with right-wing hate mail for showing spine like this. He needs to hear from us to counter balance those attacks.

By the way, the toll-free Capitol Hill switchboard, in case you wanna call somebody else in Congress or the Senate, is...

1 (800) 648 - 3516

DO IT! It's CRITICAL! And now, the White House is taking pot shots at Kennedy. So he NEEDS OUR SUPPORT!!!!

[dmr]

60. I just called Senator Kennedy's office

adding my family's voice of support in speaking out.

DeLay's office in Texas (no one answered in the DC office) claimed they had no idea what I was talking about, and hung up on me. LOL

[indepat]

22. Uncivil would be putting a very nice label on what it actually

was.

[villager]

4. little fucking hypocrite....

...not a word about any "uncivil" dialogue from his fellow rightwing nutters, then?

[Khephra]

6. This is a sign that he's losing it

When was the last time that Bush actually answered one of his critic's attacks head on? Usually he'd leave that to Ari, but we've all seen how crappy the new Press Sec't is. lol...

Bush is starting to get rattled. Expect him to start doing this more as the campaign goes on...and expect him to lose more and more poll points because he's not playing "The Great Leader of All" but instead "The Republican pResident".

[Cocoa]

32. speaking of Ari...

this is exactly the story that once caused the press corps to literally laugh him out of the room.

A reporter asked during the run-up to war whether we were bribing the "coalition of the willing". Ari professed shock that anyone would suggest such a thing, and the press corps broke out laughing at his hypocrisy. He abruptly cut the thing short and walked out. :-)

[Skittles]

34. I remember that

it was hilarious

[dmr]

58. It was hilarious to see Ari so flustered and pissed

LOL

[Unknown Known]

7. But Bribing IS a bush policy!!

so it's fair game.

[belab13]

8. Sorry George if it smells like shit, it probably is shit, and needs to be

dealt with as such.

[sspiderjohn]

9. Sure I lied, but it's uncivil to call me a liar?

That's his best defense?

[ChewToy]

10. "Uncivil" is having the blood

of hundreds of soldiers and thousands of civilians on your hands.

[PaDUer]

66. hmm...wonder if that was a..

threat to Kennedy??

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. Hope Teddy's got some good security.

Let's not forget what happenned to two of his brothers when they got in the way of the BCE agenda.

[Octafish]

43. Ted was SUPPOSED to have been on Wellstone's plane.

Ted Kennedy had been campaigning in Minnesota with Paul Wellstone, crossing the state aboard the plane that would crash. On the terrible day, Kennedy had to decline an invitation to head north to attend the funeral of the father of a friend of Wellstone. Had he been on the plane, of course, two major US Senate Liberals would have perished.

BTW: The co-pilot who died in the Wellstone crash had a direct link to 9-11. He once worked at the flight school that Zaccarias Moussaoui attended, wanting to learn to turn and navigate 747s.

[Name removed]

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[wryter2000]

15. Awww

Did him hold his breath and stamp his widdle foot?

[neverforget]

16. All I can say is "Karma's a bitch!" It's coming back at him

because of the lying, evil things this "man" has done. Sit back and watch the show. :beer:

[Jack Rabbit]

17. And just what did Senator Kennedy say that he should not have?

Senator Kennedy said, a little less bluntly, that the junta's jusification for the invasion of Iraq amounted to a pack of lies. There would have been nothing wrong with being even more blunt.

[snippy]

18. Reich wingers will not like this pusillanimous response by Whistle Ass.

If Whistle Ass did not deny and criticize Kennedy's comments more strongly than this, the Reich wing will be even more pissed off than usual.

[bemildred]

19. Oh Ted, you "Angry Leftist" you.

[Democat]

20. War is civil, debate is uncivil?

Rush Limbaugh is uncivil too, then?

[DBoon]

49. monologue <> debate

n/t

[ixion]

21. the only group who is being uncivil is the neocons

just more Bushit, IMHO... he can dish out the heat, but he sure can't take it.

And notice how he declares that Kennedy is uncivil and then tosses out the veiled threat: "using words they shouldn't be using."

These neocons make me ill. Really. :grr:

[snippy]

25. "using words they shouldn't be using." Reminds me of Comrade Squealer

saying this about comments by Bill Maher following 9/11:

all Americans . . . need to watch what they say, watch what they do.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010926-5.html#BillMaher-Comments

[sistersofmercy]

23. What we're not allowed to use words with more than 3 syllables now ?

Are those the words of which you speak? Because you certainly don't have the ability to use or pronounce them correctly, Georgie Boy! Stinking piece of poo, calling Senator Kennedy "uncivil",nice try!

[koopie57]

24. Thinking back about uncivil comments

Didn't some republican make a crack about not wanting to see Senator Kennedy in a flight suit? That was not uncivil?

[wtmusic]

26. LMAOWMP! * is qualified to judge civility!

lord a'mercy, my sides hurt

[Rex]

27. Don't piss off King George II

I hear tell he is related to Henry VIII.

[PurityOfEssence]

64. He's actually George III, which is much more fitting...

...and then he instructed his coachman to stop the carriage, whereupon he got out and addressed an oak tree as the King of Prussia..."

[alterfurz]

73. aka

King George the Turd

[chaumont58]

28. Repukes are so hypocritical, it soon becomes funny

Newmax.com has a story about how Kerry was at a campaign todo when a rocker refered to Bush as an evil fuck. The word fuck is my take on it. Newsmax is too atwitter to use the actual word. According to one of the bloggers, Laura Ingraham's new book refers to the last elected president of the US as a rapist and murderer, and to his wife as a lesbian whore.
Over the past few weeks, the repukes have been hitting hard at the idea that Dems just might have critical words(and unseemly too, in some cases) about the smirking chimp. We all know its never been done before. Does anyone remember the paragon of virtue, ole Watermelon Dan, calling Clinton a scumbag? Or Flush Limberger refering to Chelsea Clinton as the White House dog? The repukes did it for more than eight years. They have really never stopped.
The shoe moves to the other foot, they start to come unwound. Even that is fake.

[oasis]

29. Chimpy is a lying sack of shit. How's that for civility?

[snippy]

31. To be civil maybe it should be: President Chimpy is a lying sack of shit.

[0007]

30. The mere idea of junior

going on FOX News and being interviewed by the great lackey of that organization and of this administration is rather boorish to say the least.

[jimshoes]

33. If they're not bribes...

then just what are they? Inquiring minds want to know.

[bowens43]

35. the time for civilty is long past.......

sounds like the idiot had his little feelings hurt......

[Old and In the Way]

36. Didn't they offer Turkey $28BB if we could launch our Northern

Offensive from that country? Isn't that an attempted bribe? Attempted because Turkey turned us down.

Please, bribery is the least of this administration's crimes.

[Karenina]

51. That's correct!

Funnier still is that the deal fell apart when Turkey demanded it in WRITING!

[Starpass]

37. Two things I'm steamed about here

First, the scene we were recalling of the laughing reporters----talk about 'blood on hands'---where the fuck were these "laughers" who obviously knew they were dealing with lying bullshit and obviously knew these nations were being bribed in doing their JOBS and digging and pressuring and exposing this shit??

Second, where the hell are the other Dems standing right shoulder to shoulder with Kennedy and saying "damn straight"?? They are still playing "hush, I don't want to go there games". They are getting all wound up and criticizing Bush BUT they golly just don't want to go too far. I sent an e-mail to Kennedy the other night and asked him to get the others to demand an account of the "bribery" fund.

[jimshoes]

39. YES YES YES!!!

I want to see EVERY Dem stand up and be counted. Ted has stood up and gave notice to bushco that he is not going to sit idly by while our treasury and our country is stolen out from under our noses. Ted has seen enough to know that it is time to make a stand. That time is NOW!Give em' hell Ted!

[calimary]

40. Jimshoes - see my earlier post on this thread - NUMBERS TO CALL

Really! At the risk of being repetitive - and in this case MOST UNCIVIL - there's a toll-free Capitol Hill number you can call and ask to be transfered to any office there. It's 1 (800) 648 - 3516. Also, in the earlier post, you will find Ted Kennedy's numbers, and Kennedy attacker Tom DeLay's numbers. Call 'em tomorrow and be uncivil!

[jimshoes]

41. Count Me In!

First thing Monday. It's time to act! We need to put the fear into these robber barons and let them know they work for us. As in "WE THE PEOPLE" No more hiding under that national security dodge they like to use and use often. Its time to shine some light into the affairs of those who supposedly govern. When a policy no longer benefits the many, who is it actually benefitting?

[calimary]

48. MANY blessings to ya! Ted Kennedy would probably say

the same. Frankly, I think the entire bloomin' COUNTRY ought to say thank you - to those of us who give a damn enough to try and pull us out of this graveyard spiral! They don't even realize just how grateful they should be. Because they don't know what's in danger of being lost.

[kodi]

42. bush would kick you in the nuts and cry foul if you did it back

the guy is such a pussy when it comes to standing up for principles.

just how many times has bush admonished his operatives in congress for calling his opponents traitors?

if that is not uncivil, nothing is.

[homelandpunk]

44. oh, back to that ploy, bunnypants?? So, did he do that facial expression

that borders on lunacy? You know, the "I just want to get along" look that is so patently phony, where his face flushes and his head bobs, and he does that pursed lip grimace-smile?
People buy that shit too. "He sure is earnest!" kee-riced.

[grasswire]

45. and...

...the freepers are mad because Bush was so mild about this, whereas the headline says he "lashed out." They want him to bring up Chappaquiddick. (Which, I was stunned to see, a GOP senator do on television. Can't remember his name, but he kept saying "What about Chappaquiddick? What about Chappaquiddick?" on MSNBC on Friday.

[hyphenate]

47. Conservatives are like PeeWee Herman

They bring up Chappaquiddick on the same level as PeeWee always replied to criticism as "I know you are, but what am I?" It makes them sputter to say anything original in response. It's the same with Robert Byrd--every time Senator Byrd speaks up, they throw out the KKK card, but forget that about half of their own are STILL members of the KKK or affiliated with Bob Jones University.

[truthisfreedom]

46. did anyone actually read the article? Kennedy said some wonderful things

in response to the delay response.

<snip>
Kennedy's comments, part of the drumbeat of criticism Bush has received lately from Democrats, were described as a "new low" by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Kennedy dismissed DeLay's comments, saying that once again GOP leaders are avoiding questions about Bush's policies "by attacking the patriotism of those who question them."

Kennedy, D-Mass., elaborated on his comments in an interview on CNN Friday, saying the administration is announcing an $8.5 billion loan to Turkey, and that country will then provide military assistance in Iraq.

"It didn't have to be this way," he said. "We wouldn't have to be providing these billions of dollars to these countries to ... coerce them or bribe them to send their troops in, if we'd done it the right way, if we'd gone to the United Nations (news - web sites), if we had built an international constituency."

[Myra]

50. The best the counter-charge the chimp could muster was "uncivil"

How lame is that?

It's such bad taste to point out a criminal's crimes
doncha know?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

70. Kennedy speaking for Kerry here

absolutely from the same playbook: "...if we'd done it right .... if we had built an international constituency..."

[Classical_Liberal]

52. Perle, Rumsfeld and Tom Delay are uncivil humans

Kennedy is just telling the absolute truth.

[joanski01]

53. I heard Rep. Tom Lantos (D)

of CA, say on Fox that he denounced Ted Kennedy's words. He said that the chimp did the right thing. Who is this Tom Lantos?

[Classical_Liberal]

54. Tom Lantos is a hardline Israel supporter

or rather he believes supporting Israel's hardliners. The Pro-Likud lobby wanted the Iraq war, for some strange reason. Lantos also said their would be dancing in the streets of Bagdad. His judgement has not been good on these matters.

[xchrom]

55. so -- the little prick

doesn't like what ted said?
how about all the mothers in iraq and here who have buried son's and daughters for a lie? i wonder how civil they feel?
and my last thought on this -- it's uncivil for bush to ''defend'' his policy's on fox network with brit hume as the inerviewer. enabler would be a better turn of phrase.

[July]

56. "Uncivil":

"Major league asshole"

"I loathe Kim Jong Il/pygmy"

comments to reporter about speaking French (sorry, can't remember exact words)

"swilling wine and eating Brie and cheese"

"the Democrats/Tom Daschle don't/doesn't care about national security"

"Old Europe"



Who's got more?

[rocktivity]

61. Was it civil of him to refer to the United Nations

as an "irrelevant debating society"?


rocknation

[nolabels]

72. So what the Hell is Whistle Ass going there to give his little talk for?

I have met three year olds in diapers less full shit than this cretin

http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1149

''Is the United Nations irrelevant?''
Printed on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 @ 08:09:31 CST

(YellowTimes.org) – In recent weeks, the United Nations has come under assault from various U.S. Senators as well as members of the U.S. State Department concerning the issue of Iraq and disarmament. The U.N. has been accused of being a "debating society" by U.S. President George Bush, and has been ostracized as being irrelevant unless it specifically carries out one function, and one function alone: authorize an invasion of Iraq.

Many Americans who do not know of the U.N.'s great achievements in the past 58 years, nor of specific U.S. actions to undermine the Security Council in this period, tout the official U.S. government hook, line and sinker.

On mainstream North American media, the U.N. is scolded for allowing members diplomatically to defy U.S. actions and edicts. The uninformed viewer will immediately take the position that the U.N. acts against the interests of the U.S. and is a threat to national security.

However, for many people around the world, most notably the impoverished third world and developing countries, the U.N. is a source of hope and stability. By no means is the U.N. a perfect system, and this author will be first in line demanding reform within U.N. chambers. However, it is the most global, most influential, and most binding international organization ever established in mankind's modern history. To compare it to the League of Nations, which was governed primarily by colonial powers and completely disregarded lesser African and Asian countries, is to celebrate historical ignorance.
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[RapidCreek]

57. "should not have said....."

Why should he not say it AWOL? Cause it's true, and you have such an indelable aversion to its telling?

"But, you know, I don't think we're serving our nation well by allowing the discourse to become so uncivil that people say — use words that they shouldn't be using."

Since when is telling the truth uncivil, AWOL? What words SHOULD he be using? In other words....you haven't challenged the veracity of Kennedys remarks....only the fact that he made them.

My, AWOL, that's very damn interesting. Plainly stated truths are uncivil....now I am beginning to see how that little squiggle you call a mind, works. Cilvility = Allow me to lie unchecked. Uncivil = Calling me a lier.


RC

[robbedvoter]

62. Poland was paid $4 Million for "expenses" in bringing 400 men

That's 100,000 per Polish soldier...Oops! I am sorry I've been uncivil!

[Mokito]

63. Perhaps (I'm hoping)

this gives Ted Kennedy the momentum he's been waiting for ("If I'm uncivilised, then will you be so civilised to explain this", #brings forward documents or other media, damning to *#)

One can dream.

[Aristus]

65. "Say there, Ken-uh-dee. You cain't tawk meen lahk thay-at

ta meee! Yer jes' bein' meen!"

What a fuckin' crybaby!

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. ROFL

Plain spoken Whistle ass! :bounce:

[rocktivity]

74. "WAHHH! You mean old Ted Kennedy! "

"I'M GONNA TELL MY DADDY ON YOU!
WAHHH!!!"



rocknation

[Nottingham]

67. Kennedy ROCKS! Uncivil is Kewl! He is telling the TRUTH

:bounce: Truth Telling is Right!

[Snellius]

69. Poor little Georgie. Teddy hurt his feelings and made him cry

Bush always reverts to a kind of childish pettiness when he gets his nose bloodied. Why do the editors at AP call this "Bush lashes back". It sounds more like the petulant wimpering of a spoiled little tyrant who seems to forget that his arrogance and bad temper are more than improper behavior. They do horrible damage.

[lebkuchen]

71. Kennedy for President!

For saying what nobody else had the guts to: the truth.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

75. Everyone PLEASE call Senator Kennedy's Office

I just spoke to two guys in Boston and Washington, and they are getting death threats and people cussing them out.

Has anyone called Delay's office?

[hobbes159]

76. Just called Washington

The fellow who answered the phone seemed delighted that I was voicing my support! (And I'm from MA, too...)

[DrBB]

77. Kennedy harshed Bush at New England Aquarium today

Kennedy, Jeffords, and much of the Mass congressional delegation came to the Aquarium, where I work, today, and slammed Bushcorp on their enviro record. The L-word--as in LIE--was used openly and repeatedly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=382965">Here's my description of the event.

[zekeson]

78. Kennedy spoke the truth - the truth is uncivil?

Lying to the American public is "uncivil". And, that is what Kennedy was pointing out, Georgie-boy. He was saying that every reason you have suggested for invading a soveriegn nation pre-emptively has been disproved. He's saying ya got nothing, and he's saying you knew it. No lies, like you are famous for, just simple fact. Now, go fuck yourself.