Rice Declines to rule out Presidential Run in 2008

[Red State Rebel]

Washington Times....

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050311-102526-8899r.htm

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.


I can see it now....oy vey!

[Red State Rebel]

1. Personally, I think this is why we need for Hillary to run....

If it comes down to this, we need to fight fire with fire. Any man whooping up on Rice will be seen as mean - Hillary can address her woman to woman.

[ElectroPrincess]

11. It ain't gonna happen ...

I live among right wingers ... they go on and on about what a wonderful woman of color Condi is ... and intelligent too!

However, and this is all important, the right wing will NOT permit a woman, much less a woman of color to become President.

If there's one entity the RW hates more than Liberals it's us Femi-Nazis. ;) Back in the 80s, I'd run a 6:45 minute mile (in boots) and upon walking away from the finish line, I'd note the pure animosity in some of the men's faces. It made me feel self conscious, so I'd light up a cigarette to enjoy rubbing salt into their hurt machismo pride.

The expressions of sexism is much more covert now and are difficult to trace in both the business and political world. However, most of us know the but most of us know in our hearts, sexism is alive and well in the good ole' USA and probably can never be eradicated.

You think Hillary is tough? Bull sh*t! The right wing radicals were just getting warmed up with John Kerry and Dan Rather over the past year. The right wing has a finely tuned hate machine. They would suck Hillary Clinton IN as spit her OUT like confetti, i.e., in a thousand worthless pieces.

It's time to wake up and embrace cold hard reality about the republican ticket also. IF Condi runs, it will be for the Vice Presidential slot. The right wingers could somewhat accept that but I wouldn't bet money on it.

Beyond the palatable right wing hatred, Hillary Clinton has also alienated the base of the Democratic party. With regard to cross-over votes among moderates, I find it *very hard* to believe that anyone IDing themselves as even a moderate republican would dare allow themselves to support her, much less admit to their RW buddies to have voted for HiTlery KKKlinton.

I suggest Clark and Edwards. However, there are many viable combinations for us ... but NOT with Hillary.

[Daphne08]

18. Neither Hillary nor Condi has a chance of winning

and Condi is part of the neo group. I assume that she is still being used by them and would be used by them in the future. Besides, she doesn't have the real-world experience for the position she holds now, much less the Presidency. That's the way I see it.

I'm certain that (as someone wrote) this is just a distraction for something or other. One never knows these days.

[Toucano]

39. Unless, of course, they're both nominees.

Then at least one of them has a chance of winning. :P

I'm just quibbling. I'm sure you mean neither has a chance of winning the nomination.

[Daphne08]

45. I'm just quibbling. I'm sure you mean neither has a chance of winning the

Yep. :-)

[niceypoo]

55. I agree

Their white southern base would flip out if they nominated a black person.

[election_2004]

40. Blanche Lincoln would be a better choice

Because of the racism in so many red states, Blanche could easily flip enough of them blue to win the election.

http://www.lincoln2008.com

A Hillary vs. Condi matchup would be nothing be sensationalistic fodder for the media whores.

[Melynn]

2. You can see it now

The Freepers are going nuts over Condi's abortion stance. They are fighting among themselves. See for yourself at the link below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1361216/post

[Red State Rebel]

4. I'll save it, I just had some pizza and I want to keep it down....

[Cha]

9. Good call!

The thought of that cobra running for anything other than under a rock repels me.

[physioex]

5. LOL....

Actually, it is a little know fact that abortion divides the Repuke party itself and they knew this back in 92 when Clinton was running.

[nookiemonster]

7. Gone..

But funny nevertheless.

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[Mountainman]

8. must have pulled the thread over in freeper ville

[sonicx]

13. what were they fighting about? are there actually pro-choice freepers?

[ElectroPrincess]

15. So are some of my relative in the Midwest ... Conservative & Pro-Choice

I mean the right wing ... "Keep God out of my school and workplace!" and "You can have an abortion just pay for it with YOUR own money."

The above TYPE of republican used to get along fine with the rest. However, now I think they may be better served joining the Libertarian Party. :-)

[Melynn]

17. I wouldn't say there are pro-choice Freepers

but there are Freepers willingly to over look Condi's stance on abortion and vote for her. And some Freepers who wouldn't vote for Condi because of her stance on abortion. And that was what the big fight was about in Freeperville.

[Flammable Materials]

21. Freep Thread BALEETED. n/t

[struggle4progress]

41. 404 Not Found. That was fast!

[physioex]

3. Ohhhh Please...

She is nothing more than a Parrot for their Neocon world domination policies. The only way she could be pResident is to let cooks like Wolfie, Rummy, and Perly run things......

Opppss...That's what we have in a pResident now.... ;)

[bluestateguy]

6. At least the southern white racist vote would be up for grabs

I don't know?

[Politiclo8]

14. Dude if Condi had the nerve to run in the in the Rethug primaries.........

after all of the death threats, she'd get stomped in the South. She had two things against her-----she's black and she's a women- either of those would disqualify her from winning the the Rethug presidential nomination. Now her getting the vice presidential nod may be another matter.

All Condi is is the neocons' maid who is doing their bidding. All of this buzz about her being considered a realistic possibility of her being a viable Rethug presidential candidate is just a distraction from the policies she's spreading!!!

Honestly, I don't see Condi doing anything except being a has-been who slips into obscurity after she's finished her term( if she finishes her term) as Secretary of State.

[FourStarDemocrat]

30. I agree, but she probrably wants to be VP

That's as far as they'll get in the Republican party, and even that much I doubt..

[QC]

20. What about non-southern white racists?

Oh, that's right--there aren't any! :eyes:

[LibDemAlways]

24. Your average white racist, north or south,

would never vote for Rice. I have repuke relatives living in New Jersey, and believe me they hate all "minorities" with a passion. Someday one of Condi's repuke colleagues will take her aside and explain the political facts of life - she's handy to have around as a token so the chimp can crow about the diversity of the BFEE. But she'll never be on a repuke ticket. She's poison to a huge chunk of the base.

[saigon68]

27. Northern Racists and gun owners

will not be sympathetic. To them she's just another "Aunt Jemima"

[all.of.me]

54. my parents are classic white racists

they hate everybody who is not white and rich. they retired from new england to north carolina, then complained that there were so many blacks! h-e-l-l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o?!

[merwin]

10. Barf. Period.

[kiraboo]

12. I honestly believe that a Condi run would mean a victory for

the Democratic party, IF we didn't run Hillary. The U.S. is just not ready for a woman president, and (gulp) I don't want to say it, but a black woman is out of the question. We are just chock full of racists, bigots, mysogynists and fundamentalist who believe a woman's place is in the home.

[mahina]

42. Yep, agreed, hope she gets the nomination.

With her performance before the 911 commission and her failures prior to 911 she would be the ideal candidate to run against. My dream Repug primary slate- Condi, DeLay, Santorum.
"Santorum is latin for 'asshole'- Bob Kerry"

[PartyPooper]

16. Americans love liars. Look who they "elected" in 2000 and in 2004!

Anything is possible!

[GoddessOfGuinness]

19. Bring her on!

Even the stupidest rethug shithead won't be able to ignore her role in duping the American public.

[LynnTheDem]

22. It would be historic; 1st black POTUS candidate AND fails to get ANY black

vote.

[BronxBoy]

31. Yeah Right...

I wonder how that will get spun. I can actually hear all the exhortations for us black folk to make history and VOTE FOR CONDI. (Cause nothing beats gettings f*cked by one of your own!)

Yeah I can't wait to see THAT campaign

[LynnTheDem]

36. She is one very despised woman. The Black Commentator trashes her

on a regular basis. One of their best articles was "The Devil's Handmaiden". :D

[sonicx]

23. They did a matchup poll with Condi vs Hilary. Hilary smashed her, but....

McCain polled very well against dem candidates. :puke:

In the end, I still say a strong conservative (neocon, anti-gay, anti-choice, no exceptions) will get their nomination.

[serryjw]

25. Seeeeeeee even she and Bushit have the same vocabulary

quote.....

I'm going to work really hard at it. "I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
end quote......

This woman has a PhD?? This is the how she expresses herself? Bushit has told us it's HARD WORK many times!

Her denial is a perfect set up for a 2008 run......MARK MY WORDS...or at least VP

[Jamison]

26. Yuck, she is a big war monger

Seriously, if she gets in there, I could see her trying to invade North Korea, Iran, and Syria all at once.

This is bad to say, but I'd rather see Jeb run for the repukes in '08.

[Dem2theMax]

28. Never come in to LBN right before going to bed.

Now I'm gonna have nightmares!

[shockra]

29. Let's face it. We're being primed for a woman president in 2008.

As Kate Clinton (no relation) wrote in the Progressive this month "Women are always given the most impossible cleanup jobs." And the country is going to be one HUGE fuckin' mess after the Bushies are done.

If the powers that be want a woman in there, the propaganda machine will make it happen.

A couple weeks ago AOL had a front page poll on whether Clinton or Rice should run in '08, and when I voted, Rice had a perfectly even 50/50 split on yes and no. I personally can't believe ANYBODY would want such a bitchy incompetent in there, but then again there are lots of Republicans.

On C-SPANS's Washington Journal Friday morning (with Brian Lamb) their call in question was Hillary vs. Rice, or should Hillary or Rice run...I only caught a couple of callers but the general feeling was resistance, along with a sort of futilty. That if Rice was the Repub candidate, the Repubs would feel forced to vote for her out of loyalty to the party. They just are *unable* to do any different. And it was funny to hear the trapped feeling in one guy's voice. He finally offered that Rice was "brilliant," so I got the impression that even though he didn't *want* to vote for her, if his Repubs wanted him to he'd do it and find a way to justify it to himself.

And many Repubs realize now, anyway, that she wouldn't really be the one doing the job. The caller also said as much, that they are team players up there and "must" make their decisions as a group.

I find the whole thing rather humorous, because this next election could prove even more than the last that the country is railroaded into their choices of candidates. And then the voting machines will be able to pull out the winner. What a heck of a way for a woman to become president, so that they can blame a million problems she didn't cause on HER management (in the case of Hillary) and fight her every step of the way while she goes to heroic efforts to save the country. Or to continue the super-coverup government (in the case of Rice as a figurehead) while the government is really being run by others.

The Repubs don't want the Dems to get an advantage over them by having a novelty (woman) run and win so they are perfectly willing to have their own novelty and one-up Dems by having her be a *black* woman. I can just see the poor conflicted faces of red staters now. VOTE FOR A BLACK WOMAN OR VOTE FOR MRS. CLINTON.

Ho ho that's funny. And so sick and twisted.

[Clarkie1]

43. I think Rice will run. I think Hillary will run.

Rice is a very ambitious person, and I see no reason why she would not run. She will base her campaign on national security/foreign policy, so to beat her we either need to make domestic policy a bigger issue, tear her apart on her ineptitude post-9/11, or both.

The only potential candidate I see who could tear Rice apart on foreign policy/national security with enough credibility is Clark. Overall, red-state voters who are not blue already would also be more comfortable considering Clark than Hillary if Rice made them uncomfortable.

Hillary will run because it is her only chance, as she too is a very ambitious person. If Hillary hypothetically accepted the VP slot she would be in her 70s by the time she could potentially become president herself. So it's 08' or never for Hillary, and she's not going to let the chance pass her by.

I think the dem nomination in 08' is going to be fought out between Edwards, Kerry, Clinton, and Clark. However, one of the governors may also emerge as a front-runner. Just my opinion. I think I Clark/Hillary or Clark/Edwards ticket would be so dynamic it would be almost impossible to beat.

[patricia92243]

32. If Southerners have to make a choice between loyalty to a political

party or bigotry - the bigotry will win every time. The Democratic Party WAS the leading party of the south. As soon as JFK and LBJ showed any interest what-so-ever in making people of color equal - the Democratic Party ceased to be - as far as the average Southerner is concerned.

Us old folks are the ones that vote, and the older a Southerner is, the more likely they are to be a bigot . I remember when blacks had to ride in the back of the bus and I can still see (in my mind) Belk Department store having separate water fountains.

I don't think the average young person realizes just how alive and well bigotry and prejudice are.

:(

[Zorra]

33. IMO, white republican men would never vote for a woman prez,

especially a black woman.

[ElectroPrincess]

34. Exactly, their heads would explode first ... having a woman

as your boss (RW male republican) is "living hell" enough, don't you DARE ask me to vote for ONE to be President!

The mere thought of such horror (a woman in a power position over YOU!), spins RW male freepers universe out of control. :evilgrin:

[ausiedownunderground]

35. It won't matter! By 2008 any Democrat standing will win!!

Don't worry who The "Bush Gang" puts up in 2008. Your economy will be in such "dire" straights by then, it won't matter, despite the bias electoral system you American's call Democratic. The real fight is who is going to be selected by you people to put the Rethuglicans to the "Sword". From the "Rest of the World's" view that is the critical question??

[Toucano]

37. GOOD!

She'd be easy to defeat.

[VegasWolf]

38. Yes! Snicker! Snort! Run her! She will go over great in the South!n/t

[Mari333]

44. heh..this is really freaking out the Freepers...n/t

[AgadorSparticus]

46. if they are going to pull the race card, they'll have a fight on their

hands. obama will wipe her clean. he'll kick her ass just like he did that keyes lunatic. and all obama would need to do is pick boxer as his running mate to seal the deal. well, that's what would happen in my fantasy world, anyways. :evilgrin:

edit to add: but with vapor votes in place, they can put mickey mouse in there and win. it doesn't matter...

[ButterflyBlood]

47. she'll never win the nomination

moot issue

[moondust]

48. Right wing propaganda.

Republican BS designed to seduce African American voters. The 'pukes will NEVER run a minority candidate on a national ticket at risk of turning the South blue in a heartbeat and losing their big money donors.

[Moderator]

49. kick to combine

[emad]

50. Rice fuels rumours that it’s Condi v Hillary in 2008

Sunday Times
Tony Allen-Mills, Washington

WASHINGTON is suddenly agog at the prospect of President Condi. A flurry of speculation about the political ambitions of Condoleezza Rice was ignited yesterday when the US secretary of state took a first step towards wooing conservative Republican voters.

Asked in a newspaper interview to comment on widespread speculation that she might stand as the Republican candidate for the White House in 2008, Rice not only declined to rule out a run; she went on to discuss an unusual subject for a secretary of state — the rights and wrongs of abortion.

Rice was careful to avoid any suggestion that she is actively planning a campaign. But Washington pundits seized on her unexpectedly ambivalent responses as evidence that a dream contest is materialising for 2008: Rice v Hillary Clinton, an all-woman battle for the most powerful job in the world.

When the subject was first broached by the Washington Times reporter, Rice replied with a brush-off. “I never wanted to run for anything,” she said. “I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It’s really hard for me to imagine myself in that role.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1522892,00.html

[Kahuna]

51. She told Judas Stephanopolous on, This Week, that she will not run..

This speculation is moot. Besides, I don't think she would run against Jeb.

[robbedvoter]

52. Murdoch paper - and who cares anyway?

It's not like we have elections anymore. The BFEE designated pupet already beat whomever losers dems will put up 9and they are losers because they refuse to wake up to it). Next Ohio - California. (Florida, Ohio will steal it all clean like the rest of them)

[LizW]

53. Don't rule Condi out in the south!

Lurleen Burns was working in a dimestore in Tuscaloosa when she met and married her husband at the age of sixteen. She worked as a housewife and mother until being elected governor by the people of Alabama in 1966.

Her husband, an guy you may have heard of named George Wallace, ran her for governor because he was term-limited and his bid to get the Alabama Constitution changed had failed. It was openly admitted by the couple that he would run things if she was elected. In fact, he tried to issue an executive order the day after her inauguration, but this action was challenged in court, and he had to back off.

Southerners who support Bush will understand that Condi is a figurehead and that Bush/Cheney will be pulling the strings. And after being called racists for decades by the rest of the nation, they will not be able to resist the allure of calling everyone else racist for opposing Condi.

[carpe diem]

56. we have a winner!!!

"Southerners who support Bush will understand that Condi is a figurehead and that Bush/Cheney will be pulling the strings. And after being called racists for decades by the rest of the nation, they will not be able to resist the allure of calling everyone else racist for opposing Condi."


Condi has proven her loyalty to Bush and the neocons first and foremost over her race and gender and the Republican base knows it. That is why these suddenly colorblind Republican voters keep gushing over how 'brilliant' Condi is...it's not that they suddenly have respect for Blacks or women and esp. not Black women. But they can fake it by voicing their support for Rice, knowing that she's just for window dressing. They get the politics of it. They she can be used to attack the Democrats as racists for criticizing her and manipulating Blacks by saying they have a slave mentality for not supporting/voting for her.
 

[bettyellen]

57. Bullshit, they are trying to trick us into running Hillary. And it ain't

gonna happen.