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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:26 PM
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Pentagon Sees $108 Million in Overcharges by Halliburton
Overbilling for postwar fuel imports to Iraq by the Halliburton Company totaled more than $108 million, according to a report by Pentagon auditors that was completed last fall but has not been officially released to the public or to Congress.

In one case, according to the auditing report, the company claimed that it had paid more than $27 million to transport liquified petroleum gas it had purchased in Kuwait for just $82,000, a charge the auditors dismissed as "illogical."

The fuels report, by the Defense Contract Audit Agency, was one of nine involving Halliburton that were completed in October 2004, in the month before the American presidential elections. But the Bush administration has kept all of them confidential despite repeated requests from both Republican and Democratic members of Congress.

Excerpts from the report were released today by the office of Representative Henry A. Waxman of California, minority leader of the House Committee on Government Reform, which said it had obtained the audit through "unofficial channels."

http://nytimes.com/2005/03/14/business/14cnd-halliburton.html?hp&ex=1110862800&en=ddf21ca3ee29b90d&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:32 PM
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1. And that's just the overcharges they *see*. (nt)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:50 AM
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32. With all the wasteage and other hidden corruption, I wonder what
the total REALLY is.

And will this ever get out to the public? If they hear it, will they care? We need to work to make both answers "yes."
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:32 PM
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2. They knew this and still gave Halliburton a $9.4 million dollar bonus
Wasn't it just last month that the Pentagon gave Halliburton that nice fat bonus for doing such a good job in Iraq?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:33 PM
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3. They hid this from the Amerian Public when it is our money being stolen ??
:kick:
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:51 AM
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54. Our tax dollars at work. Probably our SS tax dollars at work.
One can see now why future benefits might be "short" due to the piracy going on by War contractors.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:58 AM
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55. yeah! where's that 'it's your money' rhetoric regarding this???
imo,

Halliburton,

up-to-speed on the changes (streamlining certain procurements, i.e., so-called off-the-shelf catalog items)
in Federal procurement regulations devised in the 1980s, and codified in the 1990s,

set up 'products' and 'services' as off-the-shelf, commercial items in order to take advantage of this Federal Acquisition streamlining legislation, even if the 'off-the-shelf' items would be available, in part, as Time & Material/cost-plus items, i.e., military bases in a box concept...

all one needs is a customer with a requirement, i.e. a 'war' ...

the off-the-shelf/commercial concept makes it easier

to 'justify' (no detailed cost analysis required for off-the-shelf item),

execute (blanket release order),

and sole-source (no bid) contract awards

Halliburton was awarded a contract in Dec. 2001, for roll-out of such bases-in-a-box on an as-needed basis) ... such a contract award must be especially helpful with insiders to help facilitate matters ...

of course, the concept of streamlining federal acquisition was to help reduce costs, i.e., eliminate alleged 'costs' of 'unnecessary' oversight and to control spending of taxpayer money for items like those expensive hammers bought to a government spec with stringent quality assurance provisions ...

how ironic that the DoD budget is on the increase ... there may have been some improvment ... but, the streamlining effort likely opened new loopholes and avenues for profiteering ...

paging Dick Cheney

references:

Force Provider: The Base in a Box
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=2468

The War on Terrorism's Gravy Train
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=2471

-Cheney served as the Secretary of Defense from March 1989 to January
1993 (when the streamlining ideas were being brain-stormed,
identified)
-In 1995 he became Chairman and CEO of Halliburton Company
-In 1997, he, along with Donald Rumsfeld and others, founded the
Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
-Cheney directed the secretive Energy task force
etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

RE: ANPR, FAR case 2003-027, Additional Commercial Contract Types
http://www.csa-dc.org/publicpolicy-resources-issues/issue/general-acquisition-policy/12-7-04/T&M%20Contracts%20CODSIA%20Comments%20on%20ANPR%2011-04.pdf

Selling To The Federal Government - Part I
http://www.onlinewbc.gov/docs/procure/p1_women_govt_mkt.html

In December 2001, Kellogg, Brown and Root, a subsidiary of
Halliburton, secured a 10-year deal known as the Logistics Civil
Augmentation Program (LOGCAP), from the Pentagon. The contract is
a "cost-plus-award-fee, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity
service" which basically means that the federal government has an
open-ended mandate and budget to send Brown and Root anywhere in the
world to run military operations for a profit.
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6008
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. It was all planned long before 2000!
And the Chimp was just a token throw-in! Let's hope "what goes around will come back around." Problem is, it will sadly be on us, the American people whom arn't worth a barrel of oil to these crooks!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:35 PM
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4. $27 million to transport liquified petroleum $82,000 gas.
...paid more than $27 million to transport liquified petroleum gas it had purchased in Kuwait for just $82,000...

What will be done about this?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:06 AM
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18. What will be done is more of the same which raises the question of
how much (what percentage) of the total cost of this pre-emptive war, other than pay and benefits of those in the military, is being scammed?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:32 AM
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30. that's just friggen insane! and CRIMINAL!....i am OUTRAGED!
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:35 PM
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5. Good old faux news hasnt mentioned this yet
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Snap Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:51 PM
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6. AEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
I want to lay on my stomach on the floor and pound my fists and kick my feet. Where is the line? Do these scum get to do anything they want?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:03 PM
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7. Sorry.
Republican majority rubber stamps everything. Nothing is investigated...they must of burnt themselves out when Clinton was President. But apparently, we are told, he won the last election...so you need to ask those people why they voted more of the same.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:38 PM
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8. Why don't they just give Halliburton money without even going through the
charade of a contract and services?

The contracts and records are all "classified" anyway.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:43 PM
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9. Well, actually, that's pretty much what happened
This month's Vanity Fair has an article that will blow away any sane American who even mildly thinks this "war" is legitimate:

http://tinyurl.com/4jbz7
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #8
33. maybe if we all wrote personal checks to H. we could bring the troops home
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:47 PM
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10. And then bends over, spread their fat cheeks, and says thank you Halli!
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:06 PM
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11. why the shock?
What about when they charge for 1 bag of laundry per solider 100 bucks per bag. so if every soldier has his draws washed only once in his time in iraq (nm once a week) 15 million.

They leave brand new trucks (mercedes) in the middle of the desert because they don't have a spare tire (80K vechiles) or gas filters (irony all the fuel in the world but not a single filter).

43 bucks for a case of soda


for more outrage on your money being spent

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/warren_testimony.pdf

I did a whole rant on it one day. Looks like I'll have more to add

http://insanedemocraticgirl.blogspot.com/
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:17 PM
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12. More war profiteering...
God damn it, when are more people going to wake up and see the truth?! This is our money going down the drain here!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:05 PM
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48. In most banana republics.... you have very little to say about what
is done with your tax dollars. Corruption is just the way things get done.. or not. Depends if you consider sub-standard service to be "getting the job done".

I guess when you are being overcharged for soda of all things.. and laundry... and are receiving sub-standard food while paying for (at least) mediocre food for the soldiers... it wears a little thin...

Don't you worry though, we are a democracy and this could never happen here.... unless of course you make rather large campaign contributions... then anything goes. I mean, you really didn't want your tax money to go towards education, the homeless, social security and healthcare for the elderly... now did you?? Silly you. </sarcasm>
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:13 PM
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60. I am so sick & tired of repukes complaining about
welfare moms but they don't give a crap about abuse like this. Like the welfare moms (even the few who are possibly abusing the system!) could add up to $108 million.

And charging the soldiers to do their laundry?????? WTF is with that? They & their families don't make enough of a sacrifice with their service that we have to charge to do their frickin' laundry?

I AM OUTRAGED! AND I AM OUTRAGED THAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE NOT OUTRAGED!

When is this fucking insanity going to stop?
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RCPJAP Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:19 AM
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13. Pentagon Auditors Eye Halliburton Charges
Pentagon auditors questioned more than $108 million in costs claimed by Halliburton on its $875 million contract to provide fuel in Iraq in 2003 and 2004, according to records released Monday.



The Defense Contract Audit Agency also faulted Halliburton subsidiary KBR for failing to provide the records necessary to evaluate spending on the contract. The data KBR gave the auditors didn't match the company's internal accounting records, the agency said in a report dated Oct. 8.


The charges auditors questioned included a payment of $27.5 million to transport $82,000 worth of propane.

Reps. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and John Dingell, D-Mich., also wrote to President Bush saying Halliburton got "extraordinary treatment" from the administration.


Vice President Dick Cheney headed Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. Bush, Cheney and other administration officials deny Cheney had any role in Halliburton's government contract work.

Overall, Halliburton has made more than $2.5 billion under various government contracts in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&u=/ap/20050314/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/halliburton_iraq_2&printer=1




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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:19 AM
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14. Welcome to DU :-)
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 10:56 PM by Wonk
on edit: I just checked your profile and you're actually a long time member who just doesn't post much. Welcome to DU anyway, since I don't remember welcoming you before :-)

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:59 AM
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17. Awesome cartoon.
WTF is wrong with our Congress?

We know Bush and Cheney are evil sleezemeisters, but is everyone in Congress profiting from the war, too?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:33 PM
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47. Our "Congress"...
Is controlled by the same Republicans that are bought and paid for by Tom DeLay and his TRMPAC. They all vote in a party block, and if they even think about straying from the herd, they get slimed in the newspaper the next day. It sickens me what these fascists are doing to this country.

:grr:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:19 AM
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15. Remember the last time they did this? It ended up with a big contract for
Halliburton!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:35 AM
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16. With their record of tremendous amounts of fraud on taxpayers,
a) why are they still getting contracts?

and

b) why is anyone surprised by the outrageous amount of ongoing fraud still being committed by Haliburton.

And worse yet, this latest 335% markup for profit, was just last October - LONG after other fraud had been exposed. Why would they risk it? Perhaps they had already gotten away with so much more fraud that had already comeout - that they viewed the risk as low... that is - perhaps they get away with so much more than is ever caught that the costs of paying back or paying fines is so small that they continue the behavior...
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:10 AM
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19. Maybe NOW Congress will do something since it's in
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 08:11 AM by katinmn
the almighty NYT.

On the other hand,it's looking more and more like members of Congress are war profiteers also.

We must have sent each one on a junket to Iraq by now so they can sit on their fat asses in the Green Zone and pretend they know what's going on.

I'm tired of supporting their sorry asses and giving them pay raises when they are working against the American people and allowing travesties like this to occur.

This is insane. We need to get rid of ALL of them and start over.

end of rant

edit: if Congress votes for the $80 billion for more warring, we need to go on strike now. We're being raped.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:28 AM
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20. This is astounding
The level of corruption goes beyond anything I have seen in my lifetime.

The http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-halliburton15mar15,1,6021644.story?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=1&cset=true">L A Times has the story this morning, too.

I did some reading on some of the old stories about this last might and I think there's more to this that will come out. It is clear that Halliburton people were demanding kick-backs from practically everyone they were dealing with in Kuwait. No one wants to admit they were the one who selected Altanmia for the sub-contract, but there is no question they got special consideration. Within 24 hours after the job was bid, Altmania had the job. There is an e-mail from Richard Jones demanding that Altmania be given the deal. He now denies giving them special treatment. The Army Corps of Engineers says Kuwait insisted on Altanmia, and the government of Kuwait says Halliburton picked them.

Then there is the interesting tidbit that Altanmia had never done this kind of work before, but they were making a profit of $800,000 a day doing it. There real business was handling investments, real estate, marketing and acting as an agent for companies dealing in nuclear, biological and chemical materials and equipment.

It could lead one to wonder if Altanmia was really just transporting fuel into Iraq.

I ran across some comments to Democratic Veteran's blog from last June where someone pointed out a news story saying that many, many trucks were being turned back from entering Iraq from Kuwait because they triggered a nuclear sensor. No one knows what was in those trucks. At the time, bloggers were speculating that it might have something to do with planting WMDs, but nothing ever came of that.

So, the bottom line is, this may just be plain old hand over fist stealing by corrupt contractors and government officials -- which is bad enough -- or it could be something even worse.
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:09 AM
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21. Halliburton Charges $27 Million for $84,000 in Iraq heating fuel
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 08:54 AM by nascarblue
Halliburton appears to have charged the US government $27 million to deliver $84,000 worth of fuel to Iraq. Everywhere you dig there are bodies.


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3085603
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:09 AM
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22. Must've sent it by express mail
Corporate hogs
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:09 AM
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23. God Almighty!
These people are just so corrupt. It's hard to believe.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:09 AM
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24. Gotta make a living, you know. n/t
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. Haven't you ever heard of markup?
When will we see Cheney and these thieves behind bars? Answer: Never
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penpal7 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:09 AM
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26. If all the Halliburton stuff is true why isn't the congress especially
the democrats pushing for investigations, or will it take the population to take to the streets, or hell to freeze over before that will happen, I just can't understand letting this shit happen.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:30 AM
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29. the democrats do not have the power of subpoena or ability to hold
hearings. The republicans have no interest in doing so-they benefit. Just look at the recent changes in the Ethics Committee under Delay. I used to think he was a rogue Republican, but seeing how no repug denounces their antics, I have started bunching them together. It is a scary assault on democracy!
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:18 PM
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37. They have more important things to investigate
You know, baseball.

Actually there have been several reports of overcharging...and of course the missing 9 billion.

But we investigate baseball and talk about how bad the UN is.
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:13 AM
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27. Point this out whenever you hear a Con mention Oil fo Food..
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:24 AM
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28. Cheney really earned his keep this time, didn't he?
I can't say I'm all that suprised. The company that the VP use to run received no bid contracts and profited from war...everyone on DU knew EXACTLY what was going to happen.

What KILLS me is the lack of anger. But hey, Michael Jackson sneezed in court today so we must listen to the MSM babble on and on about THAT for 8 hours. :grr:
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:36 AM
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31. Pocket change n/t
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morffin Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:42 AM
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34. Imagine how much J Gannon could charge
Ole Jeffie should get his butt over there and rake it in.

He could get a few grand an hour for his " Services"

Of course his " services " are needed here at home.

Rove wouldnt be the same w/o his visits from Jeff.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:16 PM
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35. Oops!
Straight into those personal bank accounts it goes...
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:33 PM
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36. Email CNN w/ this people
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 12:42 PM by oxbow
fill out the news tip form and ask them why they aren't providing greater coverage to this story. If Enron received so much attention from the major news networks, Halliburton should receive even more, since its OUR money that they're taking. It's the media, stupid!

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11.html?1
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:23 PM
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38. Done
now if everyone here will do the same, maybe we can get some coverage.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 03:03 PM
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39. I wrote to my local newspaper.
Welcome to DU oxbow!:hi:
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:35 PM
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40. Thanks Katinmn!
I used to post on Liberal Forum but that place is pretty stagnant lately. It seems like people here are A LOT more fired up about the issues!

I have been mostly concerned with preserving the filibuster the last month or so. I've gone to my Senator's office with a PFAW lobby group and have been trying to get people to talk to their senators about it too as much as possible. Anybody interested in helping can sign the PFAW petition here:

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oId=18074






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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:59 PM
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50. Great. Well, DUers are fired up about the issues 24/7
No kidding. There is always a lively thread to join.

As an activist, you should visit the Activism and Events Forum. I usually go there at least once a day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=106

I also go to my state forum daily to check in on local races and issues.


Again, welcome, and thanks for the link.
:)
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:18 PM
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41. kick to combine
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:18 PM
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42. Pentagon 'hid' damning Halliburton audit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1438694,00.html

Pentagon 'hid' damning Halliburton audit

----------------------------------------
Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Wednesday March 16, 2005
The Guardian
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The Pentagon yesterday stood accused of sitting on a damaging report from its own auditors about a $108.4m (£56.6m) overcharge by Halliburton for its services in Iraq.

In a scathing letter to President Bush, Democratic congressmen Henry Waxman of California and John Dingell of Michigan said the audit by the Defence Contract Audit Agency was finished in October last year - before the election. They also note that 12 separate requests to the Pentagon to view the completed audits on the contractor's $2.5bn contract to supply fuel and other services in post-war Iraq had been ignored.

"We would like to know why this audit report - and audit reports on nine additional task orders - are being withheld from Congress," they wrote.

"We also want to know what steps you are taking to recover these funds from Halliburton."

complete story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1438694,00.html
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:18 PM
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43. Didn't want to give Kerry/Edwards any more ammo? n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Urgent Bulletin to US Media: Ignore this story
As usual with BushCo, there is NOTHING to see here. Those wacky Limey reporters have probably been visiting pubs or something.

Our Pentagon? Our Halliburton? Our Dick Cheney? How dare they insinuate anything. What the Hell are a few damning facts.

Please, the American public is begging you, give us more more more on the Jacko trial.

How about a prime-time special? Wouldn't that be nice?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:23 PM
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49. Subject: There has to be a way to penetrate beneath the
average Republican shield of "it's just them damn libruls trying to bring down a good man" and get them to notice the devastating level of corruption and incompetence permeating this horrid administration and its minions.
That seems to be the single biggest hurdle confronting the good guys.

We can accomplish the task of turning this country into a good world citizen and correct some of damage brought on with the rise of fascism only in concert with the less radical elements of the Republican party. Given the human penchant for avoiding responsibility, we have to find a way to allow them to see that they were bamboozled and taken for a ride by expert flim-flam artists (an admission that even the hardiest find difficult.)

The steady drip, drip of the exposure of corruption will do its job but the vast majority of hide-bound "conservatives" will never deign to read a liberal website or make more than a token attempt to dig into the misdeeds and incompetence of their chosen champions. How then to elicit enough open mindedness for a little light to shine in?

The only road I can see is just more of the same-a concerted effort, giving no quarter and asking none, to expose the corruption at all levels and an attempt to bring down any and all who have bodies in hiding, no matter their affiliation. This may well mean disowning many of the repub-lite and dem-lite members, such as joementum, but, somehow I can't regard that as a bad thing. In fact, envisioning these enablers as road kill on the political highway is quite entertaining.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:41 PM
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51. I think the problem is deeper than that, EST
To me, part of the hurdle is the Conservative media machine that has been erected during the last few decades. This includes such fringe elements as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity but also more mainstream and insidious ones like FOX news. Conservatives have an OVERWHELMING advantage when it comes to staying on message, because these "news" elements ensure that only the "news" they want their people to hear gets heard. Furthermore, the echo chamber created by these media organizations is able to stir up their base to a frenzy over such idiotic things as gay marriage, or a swift boats ad full of nothing but lies.

CNN is almost as bad these days, too. When the vast majority of Americans get their news from one or two conglomerates, it is no surprise that there is such a gulf between what's reported and actual reality.

Liberals need to erect their own media organizations, and fast, to even begin battling on fair ground against these odds. Sadly, it may be a while before the infrastructure is there to effectively battle the conservative spin doctors and hate-breeders. There are many things to be done in the meanwhile IMO, but perhaps I should save those for another thread.

If you are interested, I have found these articles at www.consortiumnews.com very enlightening:


-Beating Bush at 'Information War'

-Money, Media & the Mess in America

-Bush & the Rise of 'Managed-Democracy'

-It's the Media, Stupid!


Happy reading!

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:41 AM
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52. We are making considerable inroads,
in the mufti of liberal talk radio and Free Speech T V. If one can lend any credence to the recent diluted mea culpa, being scattered around by the "MSM" apologistas, that the real culprit is public corporations and their profit-at-any-price shareholders, then the most expedient course seems to include the acquisition of a major player on the cable/satellite/and perhaps broadcast infotainment stage. This could be huge move, considering that a major portion of the left of center crowd would supplement their news tasting there, instead of being spread across four or five outlets as is the current right wing audience.

The point these drum beaters are making is that the coverage being tilted the way it is is purely the result of the demand for profit. (Even our own blogging heroes have to shill for operating capital in one form or another.)
They claim that bribery, threats and/or idealism are not what is killing objective, aggressive, unvarnished reporting. It's the shrinking dollars, a bit of trepidation and a strong narcissan complex. The blogosphere is terrific but of all the "conservative" people I know, not a one is particularly motivated to go searching the internet for the mind-altering substance provided by the more intellectually inclined, integrity driven blogs and boards. Maybe there are some more baby steps that need to be taken, but it strikes me that now is the time to get an alliance started between a few monied entrepreneurs and a party-wide assembly of shareholders, each of whom can own a piece of the action, ranging, say, from a hundred to a thousand bucks worth. Could this concept be sold? I have scraped my own wallet as clean as I dare, but I could find some way to pick up a chunk of it, just to kick for democracy. A takeover of CNN, hostile or no, would be just the right property.

Thanks so much for the links-I will definitely use them in a few minutes!
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:36 AM
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58. No problem
I think your analysis is right on, btw. The time is defnitely right for a leftist Fox News to come on the air. What is also really needed IMO, is more news and less spin, opinion-mongering, and soundbites as well. We have multiple 24 hour news channels on the air, but a less informed public than ever. The bottom line has made it so there are less reporters and serious investigations, and more scandal-chasing and just scanning the wires for "free" news, than ever before.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:34 PM
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61. Thanks!
Looks like the blogosphere fulfills most of the requirements, with exceptions here and there-most notably right wing dip sites. Unfortunately, we are at the beginning of this insane battle to save the country and the only way we will know, for sure, just what it's going to take to succeed is to ask, afterwards, and we'll know what it took.
Probably will be a long, long war.
Welcome to DU! We were afraid you were never going to show up.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:19 PM
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45. KBR spent millions getting $82,100 worth of LPG into Iraq
WASHINGTON - Iraq needed fuel. Halliburton Co. was ordered to get it there — quick. So the Houston-based contractor charged the Pentagon $27.5 million to ship $82,100 worth of cooking and heating fuel.

In the latest revelation about the company's oft-criticized performance in Iraq, a Pentagon audit report disclosed Monday showed Halliburton subsidiary KBR spent $82,100 to buy liquefied petroleum gas, better-known as LPG, in Kuwait and then 335 times that number to transport the fuel into violence-ridden Iraq.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3085603
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:19 PM
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46. It's not clear to me that the $27,417,900 markup was what the pentagon
paid. From reading the article it seems like that's just the added cost that KBR claimed. I presume they were also charging a markup on their costs as well. Like, say, their contracts were costs plus 10% -- they might have gotten another2,741,790 dollars on top of what they claimed was theri cost.

(In fact, I think this is why you hear so many stories about private mechanics and guards getting paid 10K per month in Iraq. The companies have to inflate their costs as much as possible so that their "cost plus" charges are as high as possible.)
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:49 AM
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53. And the GAO dropped investigation of this a few months back...due to
pressure from the Admin?

This is criminal with a capital "C." Shackles and orange jumpsuits are called for NOW. Paging 'Mr. Cheney'...paging 'Mr. Cheney'...

Sen. Durbin has been pushing to get the investigation re-opened.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:26 AM
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kick to combine
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:26 AM
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56. kick to combine
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:27 AM
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57. Halliburton under fire for Iraq fuel bills
Telegraph
By David Litterick (Filed: 16/03/2005)


Halliburton, the energy group once run by US vice-president Dick Cheney, faces fresh allegations it overcharged the Pentagon for fuel supplies in Iraq.

Auditors have questioned $108m (£56m) of costs within a $875m contract extension won by Halliburton arm Kellogg Brown & Root, when no other bids were sought by the Department of Defence.

The fuel deliveries were one of 10 "task orders" Halliburton had under the Restore Iraq Oil contract. Halliburton billed the government $2.5billion, but a report from the audit agency has criticised KBR for failing to provide clear records of costs.

A Halliburton spokesman said the company was working with the US Army to prove that it carried out its tasks "at a fair and reasonable cost, given the circumstances".

http://telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;sessionid=GZAN40GOIHW45QFIQMGCM54AVCBQUJVC?xml=/money/2005/03/16/cnhali16.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2005/03/16/ixcity.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=56845
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 06:30 PM
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62. The Pentagon should have used its Kroger discount card.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 07:57 PM
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63. Wonder if there were any overcharging the Pentagon did not see
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