WP: A Gruesome Find, With a Difference: Seven Followers of Zarqawi

[DeepModem Mom]

A Gruesome Find, With a Difference
Seven Bodies Discovered in Ramadi Belonged to Followers of Zarqawi

By John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, March 19, 2005; Page A16


BAGHDAD -- When more than 80 bodies, many of them slain Iraqi police officers and soldiers, were found last week at four sites in Iraq, a fifth gruesome discovery attracted little notice.

In the violent city of Ramadi, a center of insurgent activity 60 miles west of Baghdad, the bodies of seven men were found neatly lined up in an unfinished house on the western outskirts of town, according to witnesses. Each had been shot in the head or torso. Some witnesses said the bodies were then secretly buried in a local cemetery.

Witnesses said they never went to the local police or foreign military forces to report finding the bodies, fearing that they would be accused of complicity in the slayings or that the killers would return to punish them for talking.

"I feared telling the Iraqi army because they would detain me and accuse me of being involved in the killings," said Ali Omar, 32, a motorcycle mechanic who found the bodies on the morning of March 12. Instead, he went to Ramadi Hospital and told an emergency room doctor about his discovery, but the doctor refused to get involved. "He told me, 'Why bring problems on yourself? Leave them until they find them,' " Omar said.

Witnesses also said the event went unreported because the dead men were foreigners, all Sunni Muslims and members of al Qaeda in Iraq, the radical group headed by Abu Musab Zarqawi that is at the forefront of the insurgency. Now that details of the slayings have surfaced, Zarqawi is vowing revenge....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48179-2005Mar18.html

[Barrett808]

1. Tribal revenge, apparently

What an amazing tar baby * has us stuck in.

[Elidor]

2. Zarqawi has vowed revenge?

How does that work, exactly? Does he call a press conference? They never cite their source on that.

[MADem]

3. Head shot, or body shot

Very disciplined. Precise. Enough to ensure they're dead, but not wasteful, vengeful, or overly dramatic.

Like a mob hit, without the pinstriped suits and fedoras. Might not be just locals who did the deed, I'm thinking--no matter who takes credit for the kills.

[Inland]

4. Allawi reportedly shot prisoners, personally.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/16/1089694568757.html?oneclick=true

Sidney Morning Herald, 6/17/2004

"But the informants told the Herald that Dr Allawi shot each young man in the head as about a dozen Iraqi policemen and four Americans from the Prime Minister's personal security team watched in stunned silence."

[robcon]

15. That's an urban legend.

It doesn't help to bring up that discredited account.

[NNN0LHI]

16. White House officials dismiss it as "urban legend."

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=617800&TICK=NEWS&STORY=/www/story/07-18-2004/0002212240&EDATE=Jul+18,+2004

But then the White House were the ones telling us to be worried about Saddam's nuclear weapons program too. Have you already forgot about the "mushroom clouds" over New York and the "Winnebago's Of Death" they were passing along as facts a couple of years ago? It appears the crackhead officials in the White House are the ones who own the copyright on "urban legends."

Don

[Inland]

19. Notice Allawi's denial.

So much like Bush and his plans to invade whatever: No, but having said that, all actions are on the table.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Yea, I noticed it n/t

[Inland]

18. Discredited? I sure missed that.

Where was it discredited? Did the Sidney Morning News retract it article I linked>?

[leftchick]

22. here you go: US official confirms Allawi shot six dead

http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/US-official-confirms-Allawi-shot-six-dead/2005/01/18/1105810916006.html?oneclick=true

Perfect US Thug Material.....


US official confirms Allawi shot six dead
January 19, 2005

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A former Jordanian government minister has told The New Yorker that an American official confirmed to him that the Iraqi interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, executed six suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station last year.

The claim is in an extensive profile of Dr Allawi written for this week's issue of the magazine by an American journalist, Jon Lee Anderson, the author of The Fall of Baghdad and a regular Baghdad correspondent for The New Yorker.

Writing about his research in Jordan in December, Anderson says: "A well-known former government minister told me that an American official had confirmed that the killings took place, saying to him, 'What a mess we're in - we got rid of one son of a bitch only to get another one'."

The New Yorker also revealed that Anderson was present during an interview conducted by the Herald's chief correspondent, Paul McGeough, in late June, with a man who said he witnessed the executions by Dr Allawi.

[NNN0LHI]

5. El Salvador type death squads at work. Now who would do that?

Wonder how they identify them as al Qaeda? Do they carry special al Qaeda type identification cards or something or is someone just guessing?

Don

[pfitz59]

8. My thoughts exactly.......

How many mercenaries at Negroponte's disposal? 20-30,000? How many more when he gets control of all US intelligence assets? 1984 arrived 20 years late.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. So Ali Omar found the bodies and buried them, or did he dig them

up? I don't quite get this story.

[NYC]

7. Ali Omar found them in the house.

After being rebuffed at the hospital, Omar said, he went to the local mosque, where the imam asked to be led to the scene...

Omar Karim, 32, said he was with a group of about 10 men at the Right Mosque when the imam, whom he identified as Yassim Abdul Latif, came in "and told us there are some dead bodies belonging to mujaheddin brothers who were killed by agents of the occupiers, and we have to put them in coffins and bury them."

Re revenge:

A notice from Zarqawi's group was posted on the mosque's gate this week announcing the deaths of the men and calling their killers "blasphemers, far from the religion of God, who betrayed the mujaheddin after they trusted them." It vowed to find and behead the killers, described as "followers of the occupiers."

[hack89]

9. Zarqawi kills Iraqis - they try to kill him and his men.

Seems simple to me - the Iraqi people don't strike me as the type to not fight back.

[NNN0LHI]

10. Only problem is that Zarqawi is a figment of some peoples imagination

See if you can find some information about him on the FBI's web site. You won't find any. They have so far refused to drink the Zarqawi Kool-Aid. Big bad terra-ist. Boo. Heh, heh.

Don

[ECH1969]

11. I looked that one up awhile ago

The FBI only puts those indicted by a sitting US Federal Grand Jury on their most wanted list. I am not quite sure what it takes to be indicted for terrorism by a US Federal Grand Jury, but I suspect it would have to be an attack here in the US.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/fugitives.htm

[NNN0LHI]

14. First one I clicked on never attacked anything here in the US

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/teralyacoub.htm

See? So if Zarqawi is real perhaps he should be indicted for all the deaths of Americans he is supposedly responsible for in Iraq? Don't you think? Well I guess that shoots that theory of yours all to hell.

Don

[ECH1969]

20. Unless you know something I don't

I don't believe US courts have jurisdiction over murders that happen in an overseas war zone.

[NNN0LHI]

24. Here is one example. If you need more try Google like I did. See ya

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel04/051204berg.htm

For Immediate Release
Press Response

May 12, 2004 Washington D.C.

FBI National Press Office


NICHOLAS BERG – U.S.CITIZEN SLAIN IN IRAQ

This is in response to numerous press inquires regarding the FBI’s involvement in the Iraqi Police detention of Nicholas Berg. On 5/11/04, a video was posted on an Islamic militant website showing the beheading of Nicholas Berg. The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks standing over a bound man in orange clothing who identified himself as Nicholas Berg. After reading a statement, the masked men were seen pulling Mr. Berg to his side and he was brutally murdered.

On 03/25/04, the U.S. military notified FBI Agents in Iraq that the Iraqi Police had detained a U.S. person in Mosul, Iraq. The U.S. person was identified as Nicholas Evan Berg. Mr. Berg had been detained by Iraqi Police who then notified the U.S. military.

Mr. Berg was interviewed by FBI Agents at an Iraqi Police Station in Mosul, Iraq, while in the custody of the Iraqi Police. Mr. Berg told Agents that he had entered Iraq through Jordan for the purpose of establishing working relationships and to acquire contracts for his business. After a thorough review of records, the FBI relayed to the U.S. military and the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) that no derogatory information was developed about Mr. Berg that would warrant further detention by the Iraqi Police. During interviews with Mr. Berg, FBI Agents and CPA officials emphasized to him the dangerous environment that exists in Iraq, and encouraged him to accept CPA’s offer to facilitate his safe passage out of Iraq. Mr. Berg refused these offers. The CPA coordinated with the Iraqi police for Mr. Berg’s release on 4/6/04. He also refused government offers to advise his family and friends of his status.

On 5/8/04, Mr. Berg’s remains were discovered by the U.S military in north central Baghdad.

FBI Director Robert Mueller and the men and women of the FBI offer their deepest sympathies to the Berg family. The FBI’s Office of Victim Assistance is providing support and assistance to the family.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-12-fbi-berg_x.htm

FBI: Agents advised Berg to leave Iraq

<snip>The videotape also carried a statement said to be from al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which said Berg's killing was in reprisal for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners and ridiculed Muslim leaders for their failure to free Iraq. The FBI said that it had opened an investigation into the murder and would attempt to determine whether al-Zarqawi was one of the men in the video.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told reporters Thursday in Baghdad that it appears al-Zarqawi was responsible, the Associated Press reported.

Asked whether he meant al-Zarqawi personally carried out the execution, Sanchez said, "All indications are he did it." Asked about al-Zarqawi's whereabouts, he said, "We believe he's moving around the country."

Later, however, Sanchez said it wasn't clear that Zarqawi was present at the killing. "I don't know whether he was personally holding the knife or in the room," Sanchez said. "I do not know that."

Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had said earlier it was likely that al-Zarqawi himself was "the lead perpetrator."

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[Clark2008]

21. Didn't the FBI have bin Laden's picture up before he was indicted in

1998?
I can't remember.

[ECH1969]

23. You are correct

But, I believe they indicted him on things like the Embassy bombings and the first attack on the WTC.

[pinniped]

12. Seven followers of Zarqawi my a$$.

Al Qaeda and whatever radical group led by this bad dude Zarqawi is meeting up with resistance. Riiiiiiiiight.

--Now that details of the slayings have surfaced, Zarqawi is vowing revenge.--

LOL!...this alleged bad dude Zarqawi is always vowing revenge. At least I haven't heard about anyone's head getting cut off lately.

[Zhade]

13. Abu Musab al-Goldstein sure gets around, eh?

NT!

[MetaTrope]

17. The BFEE can't have anyone walking about who can talk

ESPECIALLY their al Qaeda puppets...

[bin.dare]

26. "the dead men were ... members of al Qaeda in Iraq" ...

... how the fuck would they know, like they have a new uniform or insignia or something? maybe it's tattoos, yea, that the ticket, brand yourself as al Queda in Iraq.

jeez, the fucking crap that is reported nowadays. on the other hand, it is sunday, fluff day.

[NNN0LHI]

27. They were swarthy looking which proves they had to be al Queda

Thats how it works now. I am staying away from the tanning salon for a few years until this all blows over.

Don

[bin.dare]

28. when i first heard about passenger Lee who died on Friday ...

... my first question was "is he swarthy?" so far, i have not yet found out. fucking mess.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

29. they had Al Queada I D Cards in their wallets- and secret agent documents

and they actually spoke to the reporters from beyond the grave to clarify any misconceptions--
definitely worked for Sir Kowee--the invisible man

[bin.dare]

30. Sir Kowee, a loyal subject of the crown, no doubt.

... i will steal that one !