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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:06 PM
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In Chicago, 1,000 protest war
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:22 PM by GettysbergII
(Mayor Daley Shows His True Color: My take on the event as an eyewitness.

Following snips of this article is a slideshow of some pictures of the overdone Chicago police presence that could only be intended to intimidate citizens out of expressing their 1st Amendment Rights. Through marching around downtown Chicago from noon until 2:00 there was not one moment I and all the peaceful demonstrators were not surrounded by armored clubwielding police officers most of who seemed almost as embarrassed by this unneccessary show of force as I was disgusted by it.)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050319protest,1,3888438.story?coll=chi-news-hed
In Chicago, 1,000 protest war

By Carla K. Johnson
The Associated Press
Published March 19, 2005, 6:59 PM CST

Hundreds of police officers, some in riot gear, lined the streets of downtown Chicago Saturday as anti-war protesters commemorated the second anniversary of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq.

About a thousand demonstrators walked from the city's Gold Coast neighborhood to the Federal Plaza where a rally was held.

<snip>

Organizers had asked for a permit to march along Michigan Avenue, but the city denied that request, saying the march would be too disruptive and cause traffic jams. The activists sued to reverse the city's decision but on March 11 a federal judge dismissed the lawsuit.

The protesters, however, still gathered and were able to negotiate an alternative route with police.

<snip>

The first two arrests occurred at the corner of Oak Street and Michigan Avenue.

Friends of the two arrested men identified them as the Rev. Dan Dale, interim pastor at Wellington Avenue United Church of Christ in Chicago, and Brad Lyttle, a Quaker and longtime peace activist.

"We were trying to disperse and they wouldn't let us ... They've got two pacifists in their paddywagon," a handcuffed Dale shouted to his friends.


Here's a slideshow of some pics I took at today's events.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gettysburgii/slideshow2?.dir=/501e&.src=ph&.beg=0&.spd=2
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:09 PM
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1. FANTASTIC!!! Thanks so much for the post..and your efforts.
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:12 PM by BrklynLiberal
Cannot believe how many cops were there!!! The mounted cops are there for riot control..i.e. intimidation as you said.
Reminded me of the police presence here in NYC during the Repuke Convention protest.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:18 PM
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Well as they say in Chicago, payback is a m#ther f#cker
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:21 PM by GettysbergII
Since Mayor Bush does not seem to deem us fit to use Michigan Avenue to express our First Amendment rights some of us have decided to boycott every store on the route we were denied access too. A list of those stores will be forthcoming and of course each store will be notified why it's being boycotted.

Here's Mayor Bush parading down Michigan Ave with his good buddy President Bush on St. Patricks Day

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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:26 PM
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11. Who the fuck let Bush into Chicago?!?!
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:27 PM by chicagojoe
More importantly, who let him out?!?!
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:34 PM
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15. Daley aka Mayor Bush let him in and Daley gotta go. The sooner the better
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:16 PM
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48. actually...
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 05:18 PM by Rich Hunt
I was at that parade a couple of years ago.

Word was, Bush (or his people, rather) invited himself.

It was one of Bush's usual last-minute things.

The cops at the parade didn't seem too thrilled about the extra fuss, the Secret Service and metal detectors and all of that. It was a bit of a mess, and many Bush supporters were bussed in for the event, which didn't please the locals. Some people came to protest, and no one was particularly miffed about that - they were more irritated by Bush showing up.

The St. Patrick's Day parade is supposed to be a local thing.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:58 PM
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24. Outstanding photos!
Thank you! Why the hell is this not on CNN and the other corporate media stations? Today has made me realize just who their daddy is, and it ain't the average person. :grr:
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:10 PM
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25. WGN in Chicago at 9:00 just did a pretty credible job of covering it
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:42 PM
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36. Hey! Getty, guess what?
Last YEAR Protests in US 319 - THIS YEAR in US 765 - all 50 STATES

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ** WHY ** THIS ISN'T NEWS??? I DON'T. (Well except that the powers that be are scared of the power of the PEOPLE.)

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2688

<snip>
March 18-20 marks the two-year anniversary of the U.S. bombing and invasion of Iraq. At least 765 U.S. towns and cities, in all 50 states are holding anti-war events - more than double the number of anti-war actions on the first anniversary of the war last year.

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2336
<snip>
Protests on One-Year Anniversary of Iraq War Took Place in at Least 319 Cities and Towns in the United States and 398 Around the World
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:09 PM
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37. I guess the jingoists figure if they don't report what's happening.....
....eventually we'll go away. But the fact is days like yesterday are mostly for networking and showing solidarity with one another on the street. The real work is the grassroots organizing we do in our neighborhoods. Our group Southsiders for Peace generally has a community event at least evey other week on a wide variety of issues No Child Left Behind, HS recruitment, peak oil, election fraud, justice in Palestine, etc and we've just begun to ramp up.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:02 PM
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38. "I got my eyes closed, you can't see me!" HAH 87% ....
The latest polls show that 87% of people believe we should not be in Iraq anymore.

87% is not going to go away. I think that figure is from a CNN poll reported on an INDY site.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:12 PM
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2. Great shots! ... That IS an unbelievable police presence
Thanks.
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:33 PM
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14. Thanks, Gettysburg II - Nice Walkin' with Ya
The show of force - from city, county and state armed and shielded police (don't forget the dogs, too!) - was an abomination! What a waste of tax-payer money. The city of Chicago pays more than its fair share to the Feds to support illegal war(s) taking funds away from education, transportation, health care, housing, and yes, even fire and police protection. I say shame on Mayor (Bush) Daley for endangering and short changing the city of Chicago in order to contain - and I do mean contain - a peaceful, and I do mean peaceful - constitutionally protected - march and rally.

I enjoyed hearing Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), Lila (?) from Flint, MI and Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11 and others at the rally. But I must say, the show of force ordered by da mayor was repugnant and vile. As one in our group opined: "I think these wars must be gearing up rather than winding down. They're threatened by us - both the Democrats and the Republicans know there is more war to come and the last thing they want is resistence from the masses."

When in Washinton, DC January 6, there weren't even a fraction of police for the march from LaFayette Park to the rally at the Senate Lawn. And we didn't have a permit there, either!

Daley. What a pig. House of Bush must go. House of Daley must go.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:18 PM
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3. Great pictures! 1000 protesters...how many cops?... n/t
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:18 PM
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4. 1000 protestors, 10,000 cops.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:19 PM
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5. Sure as hell seemed like more of them than us.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:20 PM
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6. First link is broken... it says "Sorry, the page you
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:21 PM by ailsagirl
requested cannot be found..."
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:23 PM
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9. Thank's!! It's corrected now in the original and here's the link again
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:30 PM
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13. Thank you, GettysbergII
:)
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:21 PM
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7. Uuuuuhhhh....
but that's Chicago. I miss it. Wish I was there.

I think the Chicago cops should get this weekend's DU award for over-reaction. But then, other cities don't have to deal with those wild-eyed Chicago Quakers. And Lord knows, one Chicago Reverend is tougher than 1,000 cops.

and thx for the pics, might not have believed it otherwise.

For what it's worth, you got worldwide coverage.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:24 PM
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10. ROFLMAO
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:27 PM
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12. Looks like a throw back to 1968
Too many cops that perhaps need to do a tour in Iraq with the Illinois National Guard. Let's see how they feel after that!
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:40 PM
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19. Chicago Cops
The Chicago Cops were easy to talk to at least at our first stop in front of the Leo Burnett (advertizing military). Sympathetic really. The others, tho, in the brown shirts, I mean uniforms, were the scarey ones. I think Mayor Daley and the Federal Judge ought to do a tour of duty in Iraq.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:43 PM
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21. The Brown Shirts were State Troopers, Gov. Ratboy's men.
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:20 PM
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28. Speaking of '68..
Seems like I recall a Daley then too!
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:27 PM
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29. How did old man Daley's explain it after the police riot......
"The police are here to preserve disorder"
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:30 PM
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30. Something like that..
and disorder seems to sum up what I recall..
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:18 PM
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35. More pictures from the 3-19-05 Chicago events
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:29 PM
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53. he said
the police aren't here to create disorder. the police are here to maintain disorder.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:35 PM
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31. Wasn't it this Mayor's father who did the 1968 thing?????
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:39 PM
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34. House of Daley, House of Bush n/t
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:34 PM
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17. Thanks for the worldwide coverage!!
And now that there are pix - everyone knows. Daley ought to be ashamed!
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:23 PM
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8. A federal judge shut down Chicago's protest.
What a fucking surprise.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:34 PM
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16. Great Post!!!
All those police presence made me laugh... I wonder how this cost city of Chicago. Lets see....... Saturday, which mean, overtime pay.:hurts:
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:36 PM
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18. Hello from MN! 1,500 Marched from Loring Park in Minneapolis
There were 2 police cars designated for traffic control and only a few times people spilled out into the streets, but it was an awesome site.

I got there late so I'm chasing this huge line up and down Lyndale, over Franklin, back to the park and over to the church. I was looking and looking for parking spot anywhere and couldn't find one, so I went to the rally after where they had speakers and announced the official head count marching out of Loring Park.

1,500. 2 police cars. Proud to live in a Blue State.

Still, only two arrests with all the police there seems like it was still a good day for your city. It wasn't necessary and hopefully they see that now.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:41 PM
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20. Minnesota!! What a great state!
And I'd say that even if I wasn't an avid walleye fisherman.
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:57 PM
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23. Action Plan
Illinois is a blue state, too. Really!?

Anyway, a friend of mine, also at today's rally, sent me the following email. It's her plan. The show of force was really to let Corporate Chicago know that their Magnificent Mile shops were protected from rampaging Quakers marching for peace:

Dear Mayor Daley,

I am disappointed by your decision to ban free speech from the
Magnificent Mile. Since I'm sure my disappointment will mean little to you, I intend to begin a boycott of Michigan Ave.--if I can't protest there, I don't see why I should shop there either. I will be sending letters to major retailers where I am a valued and frequent customer (Nordstrom, Hanig, Fields, Bloomingdales, Sax, Apple, among others) informing them that I will no longer be shopping there as a direct result of the city's decision to abolish free speech on the Magnificent Mile.

Regards,

Please, Chicago People: Write this letter, these letters and a) send them and b) participate in a boycott of Michigan Ave shops on Michigan Avenue and wherever they are (the mall...)
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:13 PM
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27. Boycott! Boycott! Boycott! (nm)
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:04 PM
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39. Good idea, hit 'em in their pocket books. It's the only pain they admit.
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seg4527 Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:37 PM
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33. i was there too. we kicked ass.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:48 PM
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22. WAY TO GO CHICAGO!!!
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:11 PM
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26. More pics of cops and the protest posted on Illinois Forum
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:36 PM
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32. Good grief!! We really are living in a police/fascist state.
WTF happened to our country?

The right-wingers celebrate protests outside their country yet condemn it in our own?

Our country is truly LOST!!!!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:10 PM
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40. Calm down. They are so worried because we are like...
the trembling Earth beneath their feet.

Our country is NO WHERE NEAR lost. We had 319 protests last year and 765 this year. Numbers coming in are huge. Numbers they are reporting are not.

87% of people believe we should not be in Iraq.

Your police and mayor probably saw the Chicago presence on DU and like sites and expected half the city to come out and protest.
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:05 PM
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42. Thanks for the encouragement & I hope the Mayor does see DU
I sure hope the Mayor and his minions check the DU. I hope they see our photos and read our words. The house of Daley is the same as the house of Bush. Both must go.

"Mayor Daley, if you're reading this, maybe you should take the Illinois' 8th grade mandatory exam on the US and IL constitution. My kids, age 16 and 12, received a wonderful civics lesson on crime against the Constitution: Free Speech and Assembly will not be tolerated in Chicago. In Chicago, the streets belong not to the taxpayer, not to the citizens, but to the corporate interests on the Mag Mile. You were bought and sold years ago, Mr. Mayor and it shows."

After seeing so many wonderful photos from around the country posted on the DU - where police presence was almost undetectable, I can still hope that the country is not lost. Chicago, maybe, but thanks to Hollywood, Minneapolis and Boston posting refreshing photos of free people demonstrating, I won't give up yet.

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:44 AM
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41. What were the police protesting against?
That police set looks like the police were holding some sort of a demonstration with a few onlookers.

You got way too many cops in that city with nothing to do.
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:07 PM
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43. You got that right! (n/t)
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:11 PM
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44. 3-20-05 GettysbergII and Lydia Guerra retake Michigan and Oak
GettysbergII and Lydia Guerra yesterday held a mini stealth protest at Michigan and Oak and reclaimed it as part of Free America

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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:29 PM
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45. Though your Muslim is bound and gagged...
And they've chained him to a chair,
Won't you please come to Chicago just to see?
In a land that's known as freedom how can such a thing be fair...

I have doubts on the number.

When I did something naughty in Chicago many moons ago they said we were 5,000 strong. BS! We had 5,000 per 1/2 block and over 100 blocks!

Bring it down!
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
59. Awesome, RedCloud. (n/t)
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:10 PM
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46. Uh, two years ago the march blocked a major throughfare...
...and then came close to blocking most of the entrances to Northwestern Hospital. I think it's somewhat of an overreaction, but it's also a propagandistic stretch to say it's just there to intimidate people (I have never felt intimidated at one of those).
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:14 PM
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47. P. S. Any response you give to this one has to address...
...why there was minimal security before the Lake Shore Drive incident, and then heavy security after it. If they were just out to supress free speech, wouldn't they have been doing it before people marched out onto Lake Shore Drive without a permit?
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:10 PM
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49. Let me get this straight .........
You're saying that banning a march on Michigan Ave and the massively overblown police presence is justified because entrances to a hospital that are about two blocks east of Michigan Ave almost got blocked two years ago and I'm being propagandistic by posting picture of the several hundreds of cops holding clubs that constantly surrounded the marchers and ralliers and claiming they were there to intimidate?


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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:32 PM
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51. No.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 10:40 PM by LoZoccolo
Let's read it again together this time.

I think it's somewhat of an overreaction, but it's also a propagandistic stretch to say it's just there to intimidate people (I have never felt intimidated at one of those).

Usually when people read back what they think I said, they make part of it up.

And you still don't explain why the Lake Shore Drive thing was the turning point in the amount of security they bring, if the ramp-up is just there to intimidate people. It's propagandistic because you ascribe a meaning to it that just isn't there. We would gain a certain amount of political capital stating that we're being intentionally oppressed, but I just don't think it's true in this case.

Plus I think you know this already, but Northwestern Hospital in on the peninsula of Streeterville. Blocking the entire west side of it causes a major access problem to an emergency facility (one that I've been in during an medical emergency). I was there during the Lake Shore Drive march; they let us have Lake Shore Drive, which was a pretty major thing, but stopped us on Michigan Avenue, and I remember when people started down that way thinking about how it might cause a problem for the hospital.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:04 AM
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54. Yes
First, were you even at the marches and rally on last Saturday? You sure don't sound like it. Everybody I talked to at the events felt either a sense of intimidation by the police or a sense of anger at what they perceived as an attempt by Mr. Daley to use the police to intimidate them. If you indeed participated in the marches and the rally, you're the first person I've encountered that did and didn't feel either scared or angry or both by the show of force.


Second, my wife and I brought our 12 year old daughter and our 16 year old son to that rally. We brought them because like the vast majority of participants there we had no intention in engaging in anything other than a peaceful legal expression of our opposition to Iraq and the current American foreign policy. You have no fucking idea how saddened and angered we are that instead our children had to experience that intimidation bullshit. And there is no other words to explain it than intimidation and bullshit. My wife and I marched in DC on January 6th from Lafeyette Park to the Capitol lawn without a permit and felt the DC police did a great job of directing and facilitating that march. Chicago in comparison was totally classless.

Third, a college student and her mother that was with our group, Southsiders for Peace, were in the second row of marchers that got stacked on Dearborn near Oak. According to them after trying to negotiate with the police to use either State or Dearborn to no avail, the five main organizers of the demonstration walked to Michigan Avenue to hold a press conference. That's were the Quaker and the U.C.C pacifist minister got arrested. Meanwhile the police were giving the now organizerless group stacked up near Oak and Dearborn an ultimatum to either start marching down Clark Street or everybody would be arrested. Fortunately for my family the people there made the right discision and began marching down Clark (although somehow another group near the back on Dearborn began spontaneously marching down Dearborn as well.)

Fourth, for four years during the 1980's I drove an ambulance for the company, Berz, that had a business contract with Northwestern Hospital and also Lakeside Veterans Hospital. I can't see that marching down Michigan Ave on a Saturday afternoon would create a significantly greater obstacle to entry to Nortwestern Hospital from the west than marching down Clark Street. And neither would creat anywhere near the difficulty of getting to Northwestern Hospital that say the Chicago Air and Water Show on Oak Street Beach would create, or for that matter, that rush hour in downtown Chicago creates everyday of the week. Furthermore there is no way on God's green earth that if an emergency vehicle was coming from the west that the marchers wouldn't voluntarily vacate the intersection to let the vehicle pass through.

Fifth, once again you are the only person I've encountered that thought Daley was denying the marchers permission to use Michigan Ave to protect entrance to Northernwestern Hospital. Most people thought it was to protect His business people, consumers, tourists, and other passersby on Michigan Ave from the disturbing sight of a bunch of peaceful antiwar demonstrators exercising their First Amendment rights.

Sixth, since I wasn't at the demonstations two years I can't personally explain or even comprehend was you mean by "why the Lake Shore Drive thing was the turning point in the amount of security they bring". However I am meeting with Southsiders for Peace this evening and I'll get some first hand accounts about it to relate back. In the mean time why don't you explain what you are talking about in some kind of detail.

Finally, as to your comment: Usually when people read back what they think I said, they make part of it up. I think that's best kept between you and your therapist but I can see how that would happen to you a lot.




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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 10:50 AM
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56. In more detail.
In the 2003 rally, there was so little police presence that a group of people managed to start a march that went down Lake Shore Drive and ended at Michigan Avenue without anyone stopping them until they got to Michigan Avenue. I don't even remember how many police I thought there was at Federal Plaza because it didn't seem like there were many at all. You just didn't notice them.

At the very next rally you saw the kind of police presence that you photographed this weekend.

That's what I mean by the turning point. And maybe it's because you didn't see that happen overnight that you take this "intimidation" angle.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:01 PM
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60. Sorry, LoZoccolo, but I still believe it is deliberate intimidation
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 04:25 PM by GettysbergII
Links regarding the March 20, 2003 events
http://www.ccmep.org/usbombingwatch/2003.htm#3/19/03
http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/51980/index.php
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/iraq/chi-030320protests,1,5971020.story
http://savesenn.org/about_response.php

I'm still waiting to view a DVD of the March 2003 events that one of the Southsiders for Peace has promised to loan me but here is the preliminary findings of my investigation.

The March 20, 2003 rally was a response to the onset of the Iraq War on March 19, 2003. We all believed then that the war was all about oil and had nothing to do with Al Queda or WMDs and that has proven to be true. Certainly the latest reframe that the war is to bring democracy to Iraq is equally ridiculous coming from a administration that does everything it can to suppress the democratic process in this country. Given the active protests in Chicago that foreshadowed the March 20, 2003 rally, one would think that the Mayor Daley and the police would had a plan and channels of communication with the organizers of the rally to deal with a spirited impromptu march.

Instead the police, by their own admission and by the recollections of various Southsiders for Peace who attended the rally, were unprepared for a rally that size and so the police allowed the rally to go wherever it wanted, which was north on Lake Shore Drive. Everything was going fine (as a similar spontaneous march on LSD did in response to the Gulf War) until the march passed Navy Pier at which time a few hundred marchers moved to the south LSD lanes and blocked traffic. The Tribune reported police claimed that some actually climbed over some cars. Although these marchers apper to be indeed engaging in civil disobedience, the police arrested none of then. And that as far as I can make out is the entire civil diosobedience that took place during that march. According to marchers from the Southsiders for Peace when they reached Chicago on LSD they turnned west to Michigan because that is where police indicated they were to go. The marchers believed they were going to be turned south and headed back to Federal Plaza or simply dispersed in the area of Chicago and Michigan. But instead they were then herded by police into surrounded groups and arrested wholesale without any provacation.

The Tribune who cited only the statements of police regarding civil disobedience, reported that Because the crowd became so unruly, police decided to make a firm stand at Michigan and Oak Streets, demanding that the protesters retreat back to Lake Shore Drive. The crowd did turn back at first, but then made another attempt at marching up Michigan Avenue at Chicago Avenue.

It was there that some exchanges between police and protesters became violent, with protesters shoving and police swinging batons. No serious injuries were reported late Thursday.

After the protesters sat down on Chicago Avenue just north of Michigan Avenue, buses rolled up, and police began walking, dragging and carrying protesters from the group and arresting them.

"There is a distinction between a war protest and civil disobedience," Chicago Police spokesman Pat Camden said. "Civil disobedience will not be tolerated."


However the 800 arrestees have a diference story to tell in a suit against the city filed on January 21, 2005:

On March 20, 2003, Chicago police wrongfully detained and arrested more than 800 people in the course of a march to oppose the beginning of the U.S. war on Iraq. All criminal charges against the arrestees -- who were among more than 15,000 peaceful protesters who marched with police permission down Lake Shore Drive -- have been dropped, in what the arrestees’ attorneys argue is a clear acknowledgement by the City and the police that the plaintiffs did not engage in illegal behavior on the night of their arrest.

The police action differed starkly from a similar march a decade earlier, when roughly the same number of people marched on Lake Shore Drive and returned to the Loop, in a protest to oppose the beginning of the first Gulf War. Police made no mass arrests in that action.

Arrestees charge that they were never given orders to disperse and that in fact police refused to allow them to leave the vicinity of Michigan and Chicago Avenues. Those detained included tourists and workers at area businesses who were swept up in the police action. Several were seriously injured by police, including one youth whose nose was broken and another teenager whose arm was broken. Protesters subsequently sued the City of Chicago and the Chicago police department for a sweeping array of abuses, from wrongful arrest to misconduct, and are asking the court to allow the case to proceed as a class action. The City has opposed class action status because, plaintiffs argue, city officials refuse to take responsibility for the illegal detentions and arrests of people who rightfully opposed the war on Iraq, and refuse to admit that the actions of the police department on March 20, 2003 were wrong.


The recollection of the witnesses from Southsiders for Peace who had several members arrested in the Chicago and Michigan area entirely supports the events related in the suit against the city.

So what exactly was the damage caused by the protesters as a result of police being bewilderingly unprepared for a spontaneous march in response to the onset of the totally unjustified Iraq War. Nil with the exception of a few alleged instances of cars being climbed on and the mayor's massive ego being trifled with. The disruption of traffic on southbound LSD was no worse than occurs whenever a significant accident occurs. However instead of arresting these individuals actually engaging in civil disobedience (That is it would be civil disobedience if the police had actually told them not to go in the south lanes and its not clear the police did) the police chose to arrest 800 individuals, the vast majority of who were peacefully following the police's instruction. Charges against all have been dropped.

As a result of this, Daley feels justified in not allowing peacefully planned marches to go down Michigan Ave and instead prefers to send out a massive police response to overwhelm peaceful demonstrations so as not to upset the sensibilities of the rich and powerful by allowing the unwashed masses to parade down their turf.

Next up: Is Mayor Daley's Renaissance 2010 plan really about creating further division among the rich and the poor by creating new schools for the well to do and military schools for the poor.
http://savesenn.org/about_response.php
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:18 PM
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50. wonder how much that cost the taxpayers? and how many crimes went
unnoticed in other areas of town. fuckers.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:20 PM
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52. Riot gear? I have never seen so many police in my life
people in Chicago must feel very safe with that many law enforcement officers on the job. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen the pictures - don't the police there have WORK to do?

We are living in a frigging nightmare. Arresting a Reverend and a Quaker peace activist? What have they done to our country????
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:55 AM
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55. crazy pictures. nt.
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The Kicker Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 12:59 PM
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57. Kick for peace
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:12 PM
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58. Pictures of March 19th events in Chicago by a professional photographer
They are really, really well done. They are propritary and can be viewed but not copied. Matt Jones posted these on his website at:
http://www.mattjonesphotography.com/order/index.php

If that link doesn't work you may need to log in first.
Go to: www.MattJonesPhotography.com.
Click on Online Ordering on the lower left hand side.
Click on Events
Enter the password 'peace' next to "Chicago Peace Rally".
Click on Click Here to view images link

So if you want to use any of these pics contact Matt at:

matt@mattjones.org

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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:08 AM
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61. Great pics. Thanks for posting the link.
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