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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:02 AM
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Rumsfeld Seals The Deal On Military Bases To Launch Attack On Iran
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 07:45 AM by NVMojo
...I wondered about this when I first heard he was over in those places ...wondered WTF is that neocon up to???!!!



Prison Planet | April 21 2005

What was the purpose of Donald Rumsfeld's visits to Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan last week?

There was no official statement on the agenda of the meetings with top Azerbaijan government officials.

But the very next day, the commander of NATO forces in Europe, General Johns, issued a statement in the local press saying that the U.S. planned to deploy military bases in the Caspian region in order to ensure regional security.

Azerbaijan is seen as one of the launch pads for launching an attack on Iran, which some see coming as early as June.

Local analysts say that the deal was already all but tied up and Rumsfeld's visit was simply part of the finalization process.

Russian news analysis websies have expressed concern at the deal, fearing it could escalate the likelihood of a US-Russian confrontation. Russia is an ally of Iran and sees the Caspian as its own stomping ground.

more...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/210405militarybases.htm

edited to add:



Rumsfeld's motive in visiting the Caucasus region
4/20/2005 12:45:00 PM GMT

Why did Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld make his surprise visits to Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan? And what do these visits mean to Russia?

These questions are highly relevant if one remembers that the U.S. includes the Transcaucasus and Central Asia in the zone of its interests and it was Rumsfeld's third visit to Baku since December 2003, while the current Bishkek government will be effective only until the July presidential election.

Rumsfeld's visit to Baku was on the sly as the U.S. Embassy in Azerbaijan, the U.S. departments of State and Defense didn't make an official statement on the agenda of the visit, and Rumsfeld's talks with Defense Minister Safar Abiyev and Prime Minister Artur Rasizade were held behind closed doors.

But the very next day a statement by the commander of NATO forces in Europe, General Johns, was issued in the local press saying that the U.S. planned to deploy military bases in the Caspian region in order to ensure regional security.

snip...

But Donald Rumsfeld's visit to Kyrgyzstan was somewhat different. The U.S. already has an air force base in the capital's airport Manas, where 800 American men and officers are deployed. The Pentagon chief most probably wanted to ask about Bishkek's position on relations with the U.S. following the change of power in the republic and about the possible expansion of the base and the deployment of other military facilities at it.

So far, Bishkek's stand meets U.S. interests only to a degree. Acting President Kurmanbek Bakiyev said that Bishkek did not see any reason to deploy additional forces in the republic. He also said that his talks with Rumsfeld did not cover the deployment of U.S. AWACS planes at the Manas base.

However, this does not answer another crucial question for Russia: Will Washington and Bishkek synchronize the deployment of the U.S. air force base in Kyrgyzstan with the actions of the coalition in Afghanistan? It was on this condition that Moscow and Washington discussed the deployment of U.S. bases in Central Asia. Moscow's stand on the issue has not changed, but Bishkek now prefers linking the issue to the general threat of "international terrorism", something which of course suits the U.S.

more...

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=217


Rumsfeld Baku visit leaves questions behind

by Baku Sun 18/04/2005 09:42

snip...

While brief, the trip generated huge interest among Azerbaijani media, with some reports calling the visit “shrouded in secrecy.” Local analysts blamed the suspicion on recent international speculation that the United States seeks to establish a major military presence in Azerbaijan. The so-called Caspian Guard will reportedly be headquartered in Baku and comprised of American troops trained for rapid response missions for regional crises. The guard is part of Rumsfeld’s overall strategy to re-craft America’s overseas military units from bulky Cold War bases to more deployable units flexible enough to put together different force packages for different operations. While specific information on the unit is hard to obtain, a recent report in the Wall Street Journal quoted Chief of U.S. European Command, General James Jones addressing the U.S. Congress about the guard. Jones said the U.S. plans to allocate some $100 million to cover the guard’s first 10 years of activities.

The guard will reportedly be one of the U.S. European Command’s 10 posts, with the Caspian region included in its area of responsibility. The command center will boast the most up-to-date radar equipment and also focus on dealing with potential terror attacks on the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline.

more...

http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=13143

You've got to ask, "Where's the US media on this??"


Rumsfeld arrives Kyrgyzstan for talks after coup

BISHKEK, April 14 (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld arrived in Kyrgyzstan on Thursday for talks with the ex-Soviet state's new leaders, the first visit by a senior Western official since a coup on March 24.

The impoverished Central Asian state's interim government is trying to shore up stability since the ouster of President Askar Akayev, who ruled for nearly 15 years and fled in the wake of violent protests over a flawed parliamentary election.

In a possible threat to that fragile security, Akayev's daughter Bermet unexpectedly showed up in parliament -- after weeks of self-imposed exile -- shortly before Rumsfeld touched down at a U.S. Air Force base outside the capital Bishkek.

Akayev's ouster last month was accompanied by two nights of looting that targeted businesses with perceived links to the president's family. Bermet Akayeva, who won a seat in the disputed poll, said she did not expect trouble.

"I've been in Bishkek for less than an hour and do not expect any problems from the Kyrgyz people," Akayeva told reporters in the legislature.

more...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1478278.htm
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:12 AM
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1. what will be interesting is when the Germany based troops are
told, we are sending your wifes/husbands and kids back to the US and you get to go to Kyrgyzstan.. Re-enlistments will really go up :sarcasm:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:14 AM
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2. I know folks over there are waiting for this news ...the * admin is lying!
Suprise, surprise!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:14 AM
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3. This is why Condi went to Russia
they're planning to take things to the next levels, these bastards.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:35 AM
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15. and the other B word....
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:48 AM
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26. leftchick
i'm really sorry, & i TRY not to use physical infirmaties against the opposition, but cdnt they have given her a present of dentition rather than an oil tanker?

just saying, the money wd have been well spent to send her to a orthodontist...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:15 AM
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29. she is filthy stinkin rich
and a neo-con so go ahead and throw those PIs at her. I do! Yes she could have afforded orthadontia a very long time ago. Perhaps her boyfriend the chimperor** has whispered to her that he loves her overbite and diastema.

She could have the diastema fixed in a few hours if she wanted to...

http://www.dentalfind.com/glossary/diastema.html
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #29
40. To Steal an expession: --she could eat a cob of corn thru a picket fence
Sorry to whoever I stole it from



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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:14 AM
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4. Dare I Say - "God Relieve Us From This Misery - Take This ...
... Administration Down!"
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:22 AM
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8. we need to take them down but HOW? Where will Harry Reid stand
on this when it really comes out in the open???
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:27 AM
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13. IMHO, not even the Repugs will support a DRAFT at this point
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 07:32 AM by wakeme2008
They have elections coming up and do not want to lose their jobs. The Repug party has promised NO DRAFT...
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:35 AM
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36. And everyone knows they keep their promises!
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 11:37 AM by acmejack
When the manpower needs of the military go unmet, the cons will not hesitate to induct the young. They have committed to military force (hence their inapt diplomatic post choices) plus, a bigger military is going to get it's fodder in some manner. It may not be called a draft and in fact, will most likely have a title such as the Presidential patriotic American citizen award (It will have a much better acronym, though). I would be concerned if I was soldiering age.
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BadNews Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 05:10 PM
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43. They will bomb and run not invade and hold NT/
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:19 AM
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5. The face of a lunatic
It is very typical for rich old men to go absolutely, utterly insane in their twilight years.

You can see it in his eyes. He "vants vurld domination" and he vants it now. To paraphrase Dylan Thomas, he is "raging against the dying of the light." But he is going to take the entire planet into that "good night"; only there will be nothing good about a new dark age.

Actually, I don't think the neocons will mind Russia getting involved here and fighting back. Then we will finally have an "enemy" in possession of an undisputed arsenal of WMDs.

It will take the focus off the collapsing economy here at home. They have always missed the Cold War.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:22 AM
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6. Gimme a P.......
gimme an N........gimme an A........gimme a C. What's that spell?
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:55 AM
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17. Endless War?
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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:22 AM
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7. Can someone please explain to me
which troops will we be sending? Or is this going to be a purely strategical strike? I know we have SOOO many extra troops just lying around stateside waiting for something to do.....
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:23 AM
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10. D-R-A-F-T!!!
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:25 AM
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12. Probably the hardest hit will be the Air Force
they want lots of planes over there. The Air Force has not really been hit by Iraqi tours, but they will on Kyrgyzstan tours. :)
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:21 AM
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30. Iraqis, perhaps?
I heard recently (I think on the BBC) of the amerikans announcing that the new Iraqi security forces outnumbered the invaders. I wonder if they plan to use the Iragis as their invasion cannon fodder into Iran. In their fairy tale bubble world, everything is just peachy in Iraq, so why not. Then they by-pass the draft.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:58 AM
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33. I'll explain it:
We won't need troops, because we have lots of:



Redstone
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:52 PM
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38. stunning graphic Redstone
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 12:54 PM by saigon68
I have only this diseased expression to offer

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 01:32 PM
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39. Thanks, hoss. Man, she does look like she's
getting ready to morph into some kind of green, scaly fire-breathing lizard in your picture, doesn't she?

Redstone
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:22 AM
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9. only a moran would not have figured that out...
the freepers and morans in this country won't wake up until they get that draft notice for the coming WWIII. I hopefully will be long gone by then with my two boys safely away from the maniacal freaks running this country.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:24 AM
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11. Yup
http://www.newgreatgame.com/excerpts.htm

At this point, if you don't know what's going on, then you just don't care. I still encounter people who have no clue about anything. That's not even hardcore Bush supporters.

Take a look at the bases we have, and it's almost a perfect circle around Iran, the oil pipelines, and the gas pipelines. Shockingly, I know.

http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=2

Then we have our friends here. Again, shocking the people and corporations that make up this chamber of commerce. You would think Azerbaijan has nothing but oil...and soft drinks that need protection.

Yeah, nothing will end even after this administration loses power in 2016. We are an empire, and we will be an empire until we fall. And we'll keep paying more and more in the defense budget to keep that day as far away as possible.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Reality should be hitting America in the face soon. We need to make
the PNAC reports mandatory reading right now.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:23 AM
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34. I read a very interesting article a while back.
The author seemed to feel that the REAL Aladdin's Lamp of oil is not in Saudi Arabia, but in Iran. Saudi Arabia is most probably going to hit Hubbert's Peak sometime next year, if not sooner.

That means that they will be in a situation of declining reserves, even though they will frantically try to turn the spigot faster. The supply may be slowing down, though.

As the US turns frantically to new reserves, suddenly it becomes apparent that IRAN of all places has the world's #1 supply. They certainly have an unbelievable amount of natural gas.

I can only imagine how that must rile them up in Washington, that the biggest reserve lies right under their arch-enemy. How they must wail and cry about screwing up their "sweet deal" with the Shah of Iran.

And you're right - Iran is completely surrounded. If we use the assumption that SA is about to run out of oil, and Iran is really the next big spigot, everything makes perfect sense.

Now, the US does not have a clear "Green Light" to just go in, or bomb or whatever they are planning. Because Russia is hovering in the background, along with China and India watching. If they brazenly "grab" Iran's oil, there will be hell to pay (in my opinion) and Russia poses the biggest threat.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:40 AM
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16. Insuring regional security is what it is all about
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:21 AM
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18. Yes, and you can be 100% certain that China and India
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 08:23 AM by SpiralHawk
are paying absolutely no attention to this whatsoever, and are instead busy preparing for the World Kite Flying competition, or whatever. I mean, they don't care anyway, do they. It's in their backyard and all, but what the hell. There is more to life than Insane Freaking Global Power Grabs. Isn't there?

At least we can rest easy here at home. We have Rummy and Condi and Cheney with their mitts grasping the wobbly tiller of the Ship of State, the S.S. ChimPee, so no American need falter in confidence.

Be sure and turn your TV on later today for an update on the JackO trial, and the regularly scheduled Hour of Oblivion.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:27 AM
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21. Musharraf, Rumsfeld discuss defense ties
ISLAMABAD, April 13 (Xinhuanet)-- Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf and US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld met on Wednesday and exchanged views on bilateral relations with special focus on defense ties, official media reported.

Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri, Defense Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal, and US ambassador Rian Crooker and other senior officials were also present, the official Pakistan TV reported.

Rumsfeld, arrived in Islamabad from Kabul, where he met President Hamid Karzai, the report said.

Rumsfeld's visit to Pakistan in the wake of the abduction of an official of the Pakistani embassy in Iraq is amid speculations that he may once again ask for Pakistani troops' deployment in Iraq.

However, Pakistani Foreign Office Spokesman Jalil Abbas Jilani, at his weekly press briefing on Monday, said there has been no change in Pakistan's policy on troops for Iraq, saying that the embassy official appears to have been kidnapped for ransom.

more...


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-04/14/content_2825960.htm
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:28 AM
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22. Rumsfeld Noncommittal on US Bases in Afghanistan
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 9:17:37 AM

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Afghan President Hamid Karzai says his country wants "a long-term" security relationship with the US.

In a joint news conference with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Karzai said such an alliance would enable Afghanistan to defend itself and prosper.

Rumsfeld says any such relationship is an issue for President Bush to decide.

more...

http://www.kten.com/article.asp?id=7523
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:22 AM
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19. Does it matter
That our intelligence in the last war was completely wrong? Does it matter that there are negotiations on this ongoing? Guess not.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:24 AM
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20. Notice how it's all timed along with sharon's visit to bush, as well. It
all went along at the same time.

Notice that whenever heads of state visit bush at the ranch, folks get invaded.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:48 AM
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23. So I'm guessing the U.S. engineered the rebellion against the leadership
of Kyrgyzstan last month as well, to secure our positions there.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:49 AM
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24. US suffered no serious consequences from Iraq
so what's to stop Rummie et al from visiting the same on Iran?

We invaded and occupied Iraq, a sovereign country, at the cost of tens of thousands of lives, without provocation and faced by no evident threat. The UN imposed no sanctions against us, the Arab countries either did nothing (Saudi) or actively colluded (Kuwait, Egypt). I could go on and on, but you get the point: we got away with it. The deaths of soldiers and the financial drain of Iraq matter little to Bush viewed against this fact.

For Iran they'll have to stage some kind of spectacular Tonkin episode.I think it'll be a massive air campaign and the speedy establishment of a puppet government since we don't have enough boots to put on the ground.

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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:00 AM
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27. iran has
a pretty impressive military, including airforce, & MANY global allies. i think india & china, along w/ n. korea, wd wade into this in a tick. i believe cuba & venezuela will get involved.

we CANNOT win this war, the world will eventually tire of appeasing us and will crush the US.

hence, my sig line...
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #27
37. iran also has
about 3 times the population of Iraq, and it's solidly Shiite; few of those pesky Sunnis or Kurds to muck things up.

Even if there were a good reason for the US invading Iraq (which there isn't), it would make the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan look like your proverbial walk in the park.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:26 AM
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25. I Feel Sick
No wonder it's been so quiet, and the whole social security effort has degenerated into theater and farce.

I can't believe they'd be so stupid, but then again, I 've been saying that for the past 5 years....
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:55 AM
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32. More and more, I believe SS is a smoke screen...
Moron* maybe believe it to be something, but the neocons are using it to distract us. Bait and switch folks, bait and switch.
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 05:02 PM
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42. Absolutely true.
SS is important but it is also a smoke screen -- and a more effective one because of its importance.

The Bush/neocon regime is moving ahead on it's plans for world domination. The beast is moving.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:09 AM
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28. Some please remind me again who we're at war with...
Is it Eastasia, or Eurasia? I keep forgetting. Damn! I suck as an INGSOC party member, huh?
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:54 AM
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31. The Plan Is: U.S. Attacks Syria, Israel Attacks Iran
That occurs after a "terrorist" attack that kills U.S. civilians and/or military people.

Sorry but that's the way the neo-cons work. Americans must be killed for them to gain more power.

I'll go vomit again now at this recurring realization then go back into my "There are really good people out there" denial.

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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:26 AM
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35. Secretary of War
Isn't it about time to change his title back from Secretary of Defense to Secretary of War?

We aren't defending ourselves, we are making war.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:53 PM
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41. Meanwhile, on the other side of Iran...
"The U.S. Air Force, Air Combat Command (ACC) Contracting Squadron, Langley AFB, Virginia is in the process of determining the acquisition strategy for a potential requirement for the operations, maintenance and support (O, M, & S) of Prepositioned War Reserve Materiel (WRM) stored in the Sultanate of Oman, State of Qatar, and State of Bahrain. "

http://www.eps.gov/spg/USAF/ACC/AACCONS/FA4890%2D05%2DR%2D0144/SynopsisR.html

We've already got operations there (DynCorp), so I don't know if this is an expansion or just that the contract is up. In any case, we ain't leavin' anytime soon.
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