julka
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:10 PM
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Hadley takes fall for Niger. Who's next? The janitor? |
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MSNBC reports that asst NSC head Philip (?) Hadley is the next to take reponsibility for the SOTU uranium flap.
do they think it matters any more?
when will BUSH step up and stop the buck?
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:12 PM
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1. Hadley? I didn't see him making the SOTU |
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:15 PM
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2. Well one of these days |
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expect a Saturday NIght Massacre...
(Handelman, Erlichman and Dean, April 30, 1973, iirc)
In other words you know we are getting close to dimwit when Condy falls on her sword, we need to keep the pressure.
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julka
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:22 PM
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4. he's number two to Rice |
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the one Tenet told in October not to put in the Niger story.
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:27 PM
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why he fell on a toothpick.
Those are just the kinds of things that yuo can expect from an administration trying to shift blame...
Now when Condy falls on her gilded sword, and I mean gets fired, we know we are getting close.
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:55 PM
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8. LOL!!!!........Way to pick your teeth on that one!!! |
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Rice isn't going anywhere.
I do believe she helps W in more ways than one!!! (and that's as far as I go) LOL!!!
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Tue Jul-22-03 06:33 PM
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12. GFI...my husband thinks that they have a "thang goin' on" too. |
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Tue Jul-22-03 06:38 PM
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13. ROFL ...LOL.........Oh, man I hear you. I love to have my knob scobbed, |
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but I'm not sure I'd even let Condi do it......... heeheeheehee.................... :evilgrin:
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Sun Jul-27-03 07:05 PM
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22. Ya gotta be careful - |
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with her, it could freeze and break off.
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Tue Jul-22-03 05:18 PM
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10. The steps of the Imperial Senate would be slick with blood |
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before the Emperor allows that.
Don't hold your breath.
Totalitarian Societies are so easy to predict, though I miss getting it wrong more often and living in a Free Country.
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:47 PM
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6. But she hasn't fallen on her sword. Not even a pin prick. |
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This is just words. Bush's world does not have negative consequences. When George screws up, he goes to his father's friends, they mop up and make him richer and more important than before.
Condi isn't leaving, she doesn't think. George certainly isn't thinking in those terms.
We really can't let up.
Once, just once, let George find out that bad things happen to bad people.
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Tue Jul-22-03 05:15 PM
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9. Sat Nite Massacre was different |
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It was October 20, 1973, and it was Richardson, Ruckelshaus and Cox. First Elliot Richardson and then William Ruckelshaus resigned in protest rather than fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox. Once they had stood on principle, Solicitor General Rober Bork carried out the orders, and it set off a political firestorm.
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:20 PM
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3. He's lost his chance to show his "leadership" |
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It's too late for the buck to stop where it belongs. The fact that everyone but the janitor is falling on their swords gives us a clue to the mind-set of these people!
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Tue Jul-22-03 04:50 PM
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7. He was the one who got told that the data was crap |
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and yet the speech happened anyway. NSC is the final arbiter on the foreign policy data in the SOTU. Next stop, Rice.
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Tue Jul-22-03 05:18 PM
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11. I guess we didn't buy "THE CIA MADE ME DO IT" crap |
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They must have a dartboard with a list of second level nobodies in the administration to pick from who they'll try to blame next if we don't buy Steven Hadley.
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Tue Jul-22-03 06:51 PM
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14. is it Bush who has to stop the buck ? |
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If I keep the big (PNAC, OSP, DLC) picture in mind, and don't forget some of these schemes are older than the Bush - erm - presidency, I can only ask : is it the puppet who needs to stop the buck, or will the Puppet Masters be revealed ?
Bush doesn't strike me as responsible for his actions (see "Saddam didn't let in the inspectors"), he should be in an asylum asap.
It is easy to pick on one guy, but it is the concentration of power in the hands of the president, and the overlap between business, politics and media that creates the posibilities for all of this. Look at Britain, Blair is equally bad albeit not as mad, but you don't get the same sense of surrealism as in the US when you look at the debates they have both in Parliament and in the media.
Would someone explain the background of the expression "stopping the buck" to me ? From this context, I derive it to mean : to end up with the shortest straw, but a straw that can be passed around :-)
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Tue Jul-22-03 07:24 PM
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16. Re: Stopping the buck |
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This phrase comes out of the Truman administration. The original phrase relates to the so called "passing the buck" of passing blame to other people. More specifically, to cause someone with minimal responsibility for something to take full responsibility for that thing. "The Buck Stops Here" was a sign on Harry Truman's desk when he was President, indicating that no matter what, HE was responsible for the decisions and actions of the administration, and that it would not be dumped on some lower member of his administration if something unpopular or questionable was done.
The fact that Shrub NEVER takes responsibility for any of his actions, much less those of members of his administration, is frequently contrasted with Harry Truman's sense of complete responsibility for the actions of his administration.
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Sun Jul-27-03 06:06 PM
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20. whoa ! impressive reply, thanks |
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what does the word buck mean literally though - I wonder - I'll ask my sis, she's a translator...
greek-creole :-)
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Sun Jul-27-03 06:12 PM
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21. Buck in this context means a dollar bill |
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One of those sayings that doesn't make much sense literally, but the phrase has been understood to mean that the president must take responsibility for things that happen while he is president.
Bush* NEVER takes responsibility for ANYTHING (unless it's something good which he can't justifiably take responsibility for)
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Sun Jul-27-03 08:19 PM
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used in poker to mark who deals.
"Pass the buck" means to pass the deal (responsibility) to the next person.
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Tue Jul-22-03 07:18 PM
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15. Will W fire yet another speechwriter? |
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0cv=CB10#BODY"Tuesday, Hadley disclosed that he had found two CIA memos dated Oct. 5 and 6, one addressed to him and the other to speechwriter Michael Gerson, raising doubts about claims from British intelligence that Iraq was seeking uranium in the west African country of Niger.
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Tue Jul-22-03 07:27 PM
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17. and I heard that dim son has |
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expressed full faith and confidence in the National Security Advisor and all the aides in that department.
:puke:
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Tue Jul-22-03 07:28 PM
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18. Is this more like football or dominos? |
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Is Hadley a blocker for the senior Bush administration, or is he one member in a chain-effect fall?
Developing...
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Tue Jul-22-03 07:31 PM
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19. Ah look bu$h is so compassionate |
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"White House sources told NBC News that Hadley was “beside himself.” A senior source said Hadley offered his resignation, but Bush would not accept it." From the MSNBC news story posted above by robbedvoter
At the same time they are of course coordinating leaks to threaten Joseph Wilson and his family. Please watch your back Mr. Wilson.
Sonia
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Sun Jul-27-03 07:11 PM
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As far as I can tell NO ONE has YET taken responsibility. I see a lot of finger pointing, and hear a lot of pathetic excuses, but I haven't seen anyone actually take responsibility.
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Sun Jul-27-03 08:23 PM
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25. His dog?.....While Ashcroft twiddles his thumbs!!!! |
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